CSS Competition #1: Ozzu Look and Feel

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digitalMedia wrote:
Aside: Did you know that Opera was initially developed by the same guy (CTO of Opera) that was a huge part of developing CSS?

Awesome, so that's probably why Opera handles CSS correctly ...

Aside: I figured out the way to make those little icons work that I was asking about earlier ... think outside the box ... woohoo!
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righteous_trespasser wrote:
Awesome, so that's probably why Opera handles CSS correctly ...


Red Herring, sir. Actually there isn't a browser that's supports standards 100%. CSS 1 was nearly 100% supported by Internet Explorer for Mac which I think is a different rendering engine than IE for Windows (Trident).

...and yes, before the lynch mob lights their torches, of 5 or 6 different engines, IE7 is considered the least supportive, currently. Microsoft does claim, however, that Expression is the most compliant, but I don't develop in that so I can't say.
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Oh how awesome is this, I am gonna do something really girlie LOL
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Oh how awesome is this, I am gonna do something really girlie LOL

How would you like to team up and come up with a killer "My Little Pony" theme? :P
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Benat wrote:
Oh how awesome is this, I am gonna do something really girlie LOL

How would you like to team up and come up with a killer "My Little Pony" theme? :P


That would be sweet lol
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A couple of quick questions:

1)Is it really necessary to have that ugly old transitional doctype? I hate working under that thing.

2)Will the current Ozzu logo have to part of the design? Just wondering, since if I create my own layout it will obviously have my own logo as the current colours may not blend nicely with those of my own design. Is there an Ozzu dragon "base image" that can be worked on to include in my own effort? Or is it open-season on logos?
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You can use whatever logo that you want -- and you can change the entire look of ozzu if that is your plan (ie. menu can be on left instead of the right side; images, fonts, etc can be changed). Pretty much whatever for the most part as long as the html doesn't change.

What doctype are you wanting to use?
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Just a strict one, html 4.

Since I posted the above, I've been getting along fine with the transitional one - I just had to put my thinking cap on in a few places. Changing it is not really necessary now. However, if it could remain open as an option then that may be useful later. I'm cool with it as is, but I've no complaints if strict was ok too.
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I also have a question about the competition.

With the HTML not being allowed to change. If I create my own stylesheet, its obviously not going to be the 2000 or so lines that ozzu is at the moment, so wouldn't it make more sense to remove the <div> tags that aren't doing anything for the design? Or perhaps removing the ones that are not needed and renaming the ones that are to suit our design?
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I doubt you can rename and I bet that deleting unused DIVs would be bending the rules a little...
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Those DIVs could be used for design stuff. ;)
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If digitalMedia allows it the following two doctypes would be fine for ozzu:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">


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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">


Other than that the HTML shouldn't be changed.
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No XHTML 1.0 Strict? :(
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There's a mistake, I mean... erm... an "intentional obstacle" in your HTML, dM:
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[ <span class="supmodColor">Super Moderator</span> ]


Should be
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[ <span class="supModColor">Super Moderator</span> ]

to be consistent. The rest of the HTML uses "supModColor" (with a capital M) as the class name for super mods.

Just a heads up. :wink:
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Yeah, I forgive myself. I hope you will too. :P
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lol ... maybe ... okay ... no ... yes ... uhmm ... only on wednesdays ...
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How 'bout days that end in "y"? :lol:
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spork wrote:
No XHTML 1.0 Strict? :(


The problem with XHTML for ozzu is it might require me to change over the other two themes and some of the backend programming that I hardcoded into phpbb -- that is, if you are hoping ozzu might use your theme. On my side I think most of the HTML might be XHTML compliant, but I haven't even looked into it.
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Just a heads up, I just recall why I decided not to go with a strict doctype with Ozzu. In strict mode ozzu only has one error on the validator, and that is that strict does not support the

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target="_blank"


I use target for all outbound links because it would seem to make sense to me that external resources be linked in a new window.

CSS 3.0 supports different targets, but I do not think many browsers at this time would support that.

The only other alternative I can think of would be using Javascript for all outbound links, but I don't really care for that either -- I tried that on bigwebmaster.com for awhile and I would get complaints every now and then that links wouldn't work (my guess is their javascript was off).
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If digitalMedia allows it the following two doctypes would be fine for ozzu:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">


or

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">


Other than that the HTML shouldn't be changed.


After thinking about this for a while and for the sake of the comp, I think it's best that everyone should work with the same markup. However, I'm not going to be closed minded. If anyone REALLY wants to plead a case for one DTD over another.
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Hey, I think a div didn't get closed in the HTML.. here's the second forum in the very last category:
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Notice how the forumrow class didn't get closed before the new one started? Should I just go ahead and change it in my HTML?
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The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.
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It may validate, but it's definitely not correct. Perhaps the div is closed elsewhere?

I can definitely see the difference in my design..
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grinch2171 wrote:
The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.


Yup, using direct input method I get the same results from validator.w3.org
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spork wrote:
It may validate, but it's definitely not correct. Perhaps the div is closed elsewhere?

I can definitely see the difference in my design..


Let me review this. I'll get back to you.
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Are you guys validating and/or checking the live site or the markup I provided?

With the mark up I provided, I find no nesting errors and no validation errors.

With the live site, there are errors. Without validation or any other checking, I can see two errors.

There is a DIV occuring after the closure of BODY and HTML
There is a DIV closure occuring after the BODY and HTML
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grinch2171 wrote:
The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.

It's not something that would make it fail validation.. just ends up putting the next three forums inside that second one. Not a huge deal.. it just looks kind of weird since it indents differently.
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jameson5555 wrote:
It's not something that would make it fail validation.. just ends up putting the next three forums inside that second one. Not a huge deal.. it just looks kind of weird since it indents differently.


jameson5555: Can you identify the line number?
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I just looked through my HTML I am working on and it is indeed missing. Line 355 on mine.
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Yup, I found it too. Good catch guys. Here's your updated markup...
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>

<head>
<title>Webmaster Forum : SEO, Google, Programming, Hosting, Web Design, Marketing</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">

<!-- Reference your style here -->
  <link rel="stylesheet" href=" ***YOUR STYLE SHEET*** " media="screen" type="text/css">
<!-- Reference your style here -->

</head>

<body>
<div id="headerContainer">
  <div id="headerTop"></div>
  <div id="ozzuLogo"></div>
  <div id="headerBottom"></div>
  <div id="headerNavContainer">
   <div id="headerNavLeft"></div>
   <div id="headerNav">
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/">Home</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Profile</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Search</a></li>
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