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CSS Competition #1: Ozzu Look and Feel

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Post November 19th, 2007, 4:26 am

lol ... maybe ... okay ... no ... yes ... uhmm ... only on wednesdays ...
Let's leave all our *plum* where it is and go live in the jungle ...
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Post November 19th, 2007, 4:26 am

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Post November 19th, 2007, 4:27 am

How 'bout days that end in "y"? :lol:
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Post November 19th, 2007, 7:20 am

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No XHTML 1.0 Strict? :(


The problem with XHTML for ozzu is it might require me to change over the other two themes and some of the backend programming that I hardcoded into phpbb -- that is, if you are hoping ozzu might use your theme. On my side I think most of the HTML might be XHTML compliant, but I haven't even looked into it.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 8:07 am

Just a heads up, I just recall why I decided not to go with a strict doctype with Ozzu. In strict mode ozzu only has one error on the validator, and that is that strict does not support the

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target="_blank"


I use target for all outbound links because it would seem to make sense to me that external resources be linked in a new window.

CSS 3.0 supports different targets, but I do not think many browsers at this time would support that.

The only other alternative I can think of would be using Javascript for all outbound links, but I don't really care for that either -- I tried that on bigwebmaster.com for awhile and I would get complaints every now and then that links wouldn't work (my guess is their javascript was off).
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Post November 19th, 2007, 8:19 am

Bigwebmaster wrote:
If digitalMedia allows it the following two doctypes would be fine for ozzu:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">


or

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">


Other than that the HTML shouldn't be changed.


After thinking about this for a while and for the sake of the comp, I think it's best that everyone should work with the same markup. However, I'm not going to be closed minded. If anyone REALLY wants to plead a case for one DTD over another.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 11:40 am

Hey, I think a div didn't get closed in the HTML.. here's the second forum in the very last category:
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  15.       <div class="forumrow">

Notice how the forumrow class didn't get closed before the new one started? Should I just go ahead and change it in my HTML?
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Post November 19th, 2007, 11:46 am

The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:12 pm

It may validate, but it's definitely not correct. Perhaps the div is closed elsewhere?

I can definitely see the difference in my design..
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:13 pm

grinch2171 wrote:
The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.


Yup, using direct input method I get the same results from validator.w3.org
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:13 pm

spork wrote:
It may validate, but it's definitely not correct. Perhaps the div is closed elsewhere?

I can definitely see the difference in my design..


Let me review this. I'll get back to you.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:15 pm

Are you guys validating and/or checking the live site or the markup I provided?

With the mark up I provided, I find no nesting errors and no validation errors.

With the live site, there are errors. Without validation or any other checking, I can see two errors.

There is a DIV occuring after the closure of BODY and HTML
There is a DIV closure occuring after the BODY and HTML
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:16 pm

grinch2171 wrote:
The HTML passes validation so I think it is fine, the validator would have picked up a missing closing tag.

It's not something that would make it fail validation.. just ends up putting the next three forums inside that second one. Not a huge deal.. it just looks kind of weird since it indents differently.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:19 pm

jameson5555 wrote:
It's not something that would make it fail validation.. just ends up putting the next three forums inside that second one. Not a huge deal.. it just looks kind of weird since it indents differently.


jameson5555: Can you identify the line number?
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:23 pm

I just looked through my HTML I am working on and it is indeed missing. Line 355 on mine.
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Post November 19th, 2007, 12:26 pm

Yup, I found it too. Good catch guys. Here's your updated markup...
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>

<head>
<title>Webmaster Forum : SEO, Google, Programming, Hosting, Web Design, Marketing</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">

<!-- Reference your style here -->
  <link rel="stylesheet" href=" ***YOUR STYLE SHEET*** " media="screen" type="text/css">
<!-- Reference your style here -->

</head>

<body>
<div id="headerContainer">
  <div id="headerTop"></div>
  <div id="ozzuLogo"></div>
  <div id="headerBottom"></div>
  <div id="headerNavContainer">
   <div id="headerNavLeft"></div>
   <div id="headerNav">
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/">Home</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Profile</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Search</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Faq</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Pm's</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Members</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Logout</a></li>
      <li><a href="#">Contact</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
  </div>
</div>

<div id="textAdTopRight">
  <div>
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</div>

<div id="allrightcontent">
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   <div id="infobox">
     <h2>Posting Information</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="#" class="gensmall">View unread posts</a></li>
      <li><a href="#" class="gensmall">View your posts</a></li>
      <li><a href="#" class="gensmall">Watched Topics</a></li>
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     </ul>
   </div>
   <div id="forumNav">
     <h2>Website Development</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum15.html">Website Design Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum33.html">Programming Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum39.html">Website Reviews</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum11.html">Hosting Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum8.html">Flash Forum</a></li>
     </ul>
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      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum62.html">Photography Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum41.html">Digital Art and Drawing</a></li>
     </ul>
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     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum18.html">Windows</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum17.html">Linux, Unix, and other *nix</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum61.html">Macintosh</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum47.html">Hardware</a></li>
     </ul>
     <h2>Internet Marketing</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum29.html">Google Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum58.html">Yahoo Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum59.html">MSN Forum</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum36.html">Search Engines &amp; Directories</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum60.html">Advertising, PPC, Affiliation</a></li>
     </ul>
     <h2>Marketplace</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum52.html">Job Opportunities</a></li>
     </ul>
     <h2>Community Area</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum1.html">General Discussion</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum46.html">Competitions</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum50.html">Posting Games</a></li>
     </ul>
     <h2>Ozzu Maintenance</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum42.html">Announcements</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/forum35.html">Suggestions &amp; Feedback</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
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     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/webtemplates/">Web Templates</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/webtemplates/Oscommerce_Templates/">osCommer ce Templates</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/webtemplates/Cre_Loaded_Templates/">CRE Loaded Templates</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/webtemplates/Wordpress_Themes/">Wordpress Templates</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/rssfeeds.html">Ozzu RSS Feeds</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/statistics.php">Board Statistics</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/gallery/">Ozzu Gallery</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
   <div id="aboutOzzu">
     <h2>About Ozzu</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/moderators.php">Meet the Moderators</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
   <div id="forumNetwork">
     <h2>Forum Network</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.bigwebmaster.com/">Webmaster Resources</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://templates.bigwebmaster.com/">HTML Templates</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://guestbook.bigwebmaster.com/">Guestbook Script</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://uts.bigwebmaster.com/">Traffic Script</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.unmelted.com/">Website Templates</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
   <div id="forumPartners">
     <h2>Forum Partners</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.neowise.com/etc/" title="Express Thumbnail Creator" target="_blank">Thumbnail Creator</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.weberforums.com/" target="_blank">PHP Forums</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.php-editors.com/" target="_blank">Free PHP Editor</a></li>
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      <li><a href="http://www.founderstelecom.com/" target="_blank">Plantronics and Polycom</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/" target="_blank">CSS Menus</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
   <div id="forumSupporters">
     <h2>Forum Supporters</h2>
     <ul>
      <li><a href="http://www.ozzu.com/ozzu_supporters.html">Ozzu Supporters</a></li>
     </ul>
   </div>
  </div>
</div>

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