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Heya
Jus wanted to show you all my latest..
Its the only time ive had to do anything, since ive been playing the game 'Planetside' non-stop lol, (great game by the way! its a drug i swear by it!)

Name : Fibre Optic
Compile Time : bout 2 hours
Tools of the trade : 3ds max and photoshop
Inspiration : None, jus gave 3ds a blast and found an appropiate name.
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very cool. I would kind of like to see more of the blob in the middle instead of it being so bright (it draws your eyes right to that and its hard to focus on anything else in the pictre).
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thanx. thats all part of the lighting of the image.. i mean i could change it, but i dont think it will look as good, i like the brightness of it lol :?
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yea I imagined as much, do you mind revealing a bit of the process you went through to get the rendering?
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you want me to tell you all the stuff i used? lol. ok

i used a series of 'noise' paramic modifiers first to get the look of it, played around by rotating it to get the perfect angle.
then went into material editor, chose 'reflection' and played around with that, then went into opacity and played with that too lol. theres also a few other bits an peices..
its really hard to show someone how to do it in a forum, IM etc..
much easier is the person is physicaly there, lol.
but if your intrested in 3ds max, i suggest you check out some tutorials, im sure there on the net somewhere. allthough i havnt came across any as of yet.
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nothing original about it, but it's still pretty good. There's tons of these
around, that's why i say that.

The brightness is a big negative on it, as I agree with b_heyer on that.
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nothin original? hey why dont you tell that to all the designers on deviant art or whatever, tell them to stop creating art because its unoriginal..

hey wait, why not jus close photoshop, open up MS PAINT and let your imagination go wild..
cause nah, we dont need 3ds or nothin anymore do we
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I gotta defend unflux, your art is becoming cliched. The last two or three images you put out have the same bubbly glass figure behind them with an overlay of binary/html/unlegible text. And if all the users on deviant art are doing this type of art, isn't it furthing unfluxes argument?

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hey wait, why not jus close photoshop, open up MS PAINT and let your imagination go wild..
cause nah, we dont need 3ds or nothin anymore do we


Sounds like a good idea, and artist should be able to work in a variety of mediums, especially if they are graphic designers.
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wait.. to be honest, i couldnt give a f*ck if its cliched. its art, its my own style. you must have your own style, i have mine.
if your such a genius why dont you show us some of your art work then?
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"Sounds like a good idea, and artist should be able to work in a variety of mediums, especially if they are graphic designers"

yeah, and thats what would seperate artists from the good artists aint it
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How many wine testers create their own wine?
I am more into photography and webdesign, but I know art when I see it.
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ok chief.. websites then?
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the style which i use and yeah many others use, is called abstract..
i really dont care if you say its unoriginal, because your saying that to the other thousands of artists aswell as me..
i thought art was about style, not originality... shouldnt you be flaming people who are ripping work instead :x


oh and unflux. about oringinality?
your site is based on 2advanced studios website..
which has jus had a new look, bah..
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I really don't know much about digital art...and I really shouldn't get into this, but I agree with Brandon and Unflux. It's not just that a lot of other people have the same style as you, it's that most of your designs look so similar.
I have liked many of your previous designs, but I can't say that I like this one much at all. Have you ever heard someone say, "That's just a bunch of noise", when listening to music? Well, to me, that's what this design is.
But, hey, what do I know?
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well maybe i should jus quit art and become a godamn plumber
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Well I've looked across this forum for a couple of weeks now, and decided finaly to join up as a member.
This post kind of got me a little heaved.
I have seen some very good ideas and some very imaginative art since I've been here.
Mostly from Fusion and a few others.
I've been a digital art and gfx designer for 10 years, and have worked for a few web design companys and techno art teams in that period, and I have to say some of the work that is gettin comments is a bit harsh in my experience.
Fusion I think your work is of great qaulity and a style im very acustomed to its very techno and very dynamic with alot of simple yet fantastic touches.
Do you work for a gfx company?
You shouldn't listen to some of these comments, because techno type art like yours is possibly the most sort after gfx design in the industry at the moment, and you have a great way of expressing your work in such a way that demands for this type of art is priceless.
Over the last 4 years or so the gfx mainstream has turned more to the style you have customised yourself with and I think with a bit of tinkering your designs could be of great intrest to alot of companys out there.
Most of the work I have seen on here is well not to be disrespectfull, but misguided in its attempts .
I think alot of the work is not thought up before it is designed, dont get me wrong there are some 'ok' peices among them, but i feel you have the wrong attitude against other peoples work .
For instance the comment about Fusion's 'Fibre optic' pic. Were its said to be too bright. Well if u take a handfull of optic fibre chords and scrunch them into your hands, you get a very bright blury spot in the midle with the outer ends having a trickle of light from the central source. This is very well represnted in Fusion's picture and I think he has done a great job in reproducing the effect .
I also think the comment about unoriginal work is a bit of a stupid one and cliche?
Well art is art unless 2 pictures are identical then seriously you don't know what you are talking about.
The style of fusions work is not such a case of cliche but a demostration of were digital gfx is in the year 2003. His style is exactly what big name production companys and design groups are after and I feel the word cliche and unoriginal are poorly used in your posts.
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thanx alot! about what you said "if u take a handfull of optic fibre chords and scrunch them into your hands, you get a very bright blury spot in the midle with the outer ends having a trickle of light from the central source" i knew about this, and thats why i didnt want to remove the lighting, i think it gives a good effect.. but its 50-50 if people will like it, but i couldnt really care less. on every art i do, i take my circles with me, but.. its jus like putting your company name or logo on each piece of art.. to me, its just there to accompany the name of the peice. i do use alot of the same elements in each peice, but thats all part of the 2d. you look at any peice of abstract work on dev art or whatever, youll see that they all have 2d work aswell as 3d
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another thing i have to point out is, bheyer your saying that i use alot of overlays and small text.. your also defending unflux. well take a look at his pics, you should be arguieing against him too. cause there of the same nature.

http://www.unflux.com/files/vortex.jpg

http://www.unflux.com/files/covert.jpg

these both have the small text areas, and they both have a logo. which is nothing more than what my circle is that i like to plug around.
so when you criticise my work, make sure its unique.. and your not being hypocritical...

in england, we have a saying 'dont jump on the bandwagon' dont know if you have it in the US.. but thats what i think you lot have done over this topic.
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Jordo, I am glad to have you with us, but lets discuss my use of words, which you so slyly suggested was inappropriate.

Thanks to dictionary.com:
cli•ché: something that has become overly familiar or commonplace
original: independent and creative in thought or action : INVENTIVE

Your speech has opened my eyes. At first I thought that this "techno" art form was something that has been duplicated and redone over the past few years in aspect to the new generation of art. Then I realized something after reading this:
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techno type art like yours is possibly the most sort after gfx design in the industry


This art form is also being used in the industry! Now getting to the point, because this is clearly a disarray of thoughts at the moment; the definition of cliché clear states that you are just continually reinforcing the facts. Industry uses this style, artists at deviant art use this style, it's here, it's there; I am sure Google would stand up to its name if I searched for this style. As far as I am concerned this type of work has become commonplace.

How often do you see computer rendered creations in the artistic style of Leonardo Da'Vinci or other great artists of the renaissance period? No not often at all. But that IS art! Those artists are still the greats! But why don't you ever see it anywhere? Because it has become to easy to slap a few 3DSM Renderings onto a blank canvas in Photoshop, throw some layers in there, pull off a few filters, and get something that looks decent.

As for a few aspects relating to Fusions latest picture, "Fibre Chords,” as a photographer if I wanted to "scrunch [the fibro chords] into [my] hands" and take a picture of it, I wouldn't put the brightest spot in the middle of my workplace. You of all people, a veteran of ten years of extensive graphic design should know this, it has been taught in art classes and photography seminars I attend, the rule of thirds. You, I am sure, also know that the first thing your eyes are drawn to in a picture is the brightest area. With an area that takes up a little less then half the whole canvas practically white, anyone would find it hard to focus on anything else.

I care not if the industry knows who I am when I leave college, I care not what the industry thinks of my work when I am forty. I care not, at all, what they say about me at sixty. I care that I left my own unique and individually stylistic mark on them when I am dead and gone.

Finally in retrospect to Fusions latest post, take not of the background before trying to prove a point, his arts background is individual in each work and unobstructed by the overlays. He uses a different picture each time he does this. I can list at least 4 images off the top of my head that you have that contain the wire frame, solid, or translucent replication of the noise rendering.
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ohhh wait.. he uses different images? well uhh, what the hell do i use? DIFFERENT IMAGES! .. wow
you havnt even seen all my work anyway, so what the hell can you say.
and as of.. 'anyone can create art in 3ds max' or whatever you said. well why dont you show ME the art YOUVE created in 3ds max then ill be happy. http://www.fusion-netwerx.com/testing/images/carbon.jpg
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Fusion, please try to control your anger, and if you insist on quoting me, do it correctly, and do not change the original meaning of my words. I stated:
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Because it has become to easy to slap a few 3DSM Renderings onto a blank canvas in Photoshop
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ok then. you say "Because it has become to easy to slap a few 3DSM Renderings onto a blank canvas in Photoshop" well its not that easy, if it was.. everyone on ozzu would be doing it, but i see me as the only one who is doing it.
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And as for your duplicates of this noise rendering.

Your signature,
Your fusion-netwerx page,
Your sub-7 page,
Your submission to the contest,
and this post.

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ok then. you say "Because it has become to easy to slap a few 3DSM Renderings onto a blank canvas in Photoshop" well its not that easy, if it was.. everyone on ozzu would be doing it, but i see me as the only one who is doing it.


But apparently everyone over at deviant art is? isn't that what you have been defending this whole time I can pull the spots where you said it if you would like me to.
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what the hell? there not duplicates you fool!
if they were duplicates theyd all look the godamn same but they dont..
omfg...
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Excuse my word mismatch, I meant similiar reproductions.
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nice speach but tell it someone who cares .
at the end of the day which one of us is on £45 000 per year?
you need to stop being very jealous of the users here
fusions work is probably the best on this site and you know that
but are not a big enough man to give him the credit he desrvers
i pity you

fusion keep it up this fool and others alike are nothink but wanabees
you have what it takes as a gfx artist . i just sent u a private message with my email contact me, i would like to talk personaly with you if thats possible ? i work for a majour design group and im very intrested in your work email me back if you can .thx .

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i really dont give a damn if there similar!!! there all unique, thats what matters!
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thx again jordo...
will do.

as to "But apparently everyone over at deviant art is? isn't that what you have been defending this whole time I can pull the spots where you said it if you would like me to"

yeah go ahead. i am defending myself and all those people at dev art. the people over at dev art have talent, i think you should be aware of that instead of jus going on that its unoriginal and common. well why is it that each one of em seases to amaze me, they all look stunning (well 99% of em) to me, abstract is the most sexiest art form. but hey thats jus me aint it.
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at the end of the day which one of us is on £45 000 per year?
you need to stop being very jealous of the users here
fusions work is probably the best on this site and you know that
but are not a big enough man to give him the credit he desrvers
i pity you


I am so proud of you! You manage to make 75000USD and me a meager sixteen year old, junior in high school, has the ability to make 24000USD without a college diploma. I hate to sound rude, but truly, if you must, absolutely MUST be rude to me, PLEASE, I beg of you, use decent grammar. That is all I ask, for the fool and wanabee, and not nearly big enough man, is just going to say one thing more.

UNFLUX IS THE BEST!
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well im glad to see unflux's fanclub has been launched

hey dont jus tell me that unflux is the best, why dont you tell all the people who entered the ozzu logo contest.
and anyone could spot out that your jus defending the person you know the most. i guarantee if unflux wasnt a mod, or had only been a member for 2 weeks, you wouldnt be shouting that hes the best.
its jus common nature, you defend the person you know the most, or is more of a friend.
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grammar ?? this is an art forum not a grammar contest .
and since its a art forum why dont u make some art that is actualy any good ?
and as for my sallary thats what i make working for a company minus the fees i recive in other contracts etc etc .
plus the english currency is diffrent than yours so to compare them both is silly.
as for grammar well ill learn ta use grammer when you learn ta draw and do art if thats what you wanta call it
and as for unflux the best ?
well hes good but ive seen better . ie fusion
but do me a favour .. go have your have your lips removed from his ass its not nice ta suck butt

sorry i had ta be so to the point but idiots like you who cant do good art then comment about others work which is alot better than yours just get my head going .
but like i said i dont have ta explain myself to you .
you will come to nothink with your attitude and your art ?
well that *plum* speaks for itself.
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amen
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I am sorry, I said I was done, but I lied, I can not tolerate these words you have so blatantly put in front of me. First off, notice I nicely translated your English pounds into United States dollars, making them on the same level. Secondly this isn't a grammar contest you are right, but if you are such a man, because you can stand up for fusion, then tell me this, why does your writing look like an adolescents? Third and finally unless you continue your little tantrum I will state it again:

How many wine testers make their own wine?

I apologize I turned Jekyll into Hyde; I hope it doesn't happen again.
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the man of quotes and catchphrases strikes again
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JORDO wrote:
this is an art forum not a grammar contest


Yes, this is an art forum and art is all about personal opinion. There is no way to prove that someone's art is better than someone else's. I personally dislike this particular image that Fusion designed. Why bother listening to my opinion, though? Some will love it, some will hate it. Fusion, you posted your image in order to get opinions, did you not? Well, you got exactly what you asked for, you just didn't like them.
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friend foe enemy mrs butt suck what ever your name .
first of all just comparing currency is thick.
if i was american doing the job i do now i wouldnt be on 75,000 usd
id be on a lot more probaly double that maybe more even.
but see im english and the english economy for what i do isnt as rewarding as it is in america.
so before you start going into rates of pay actualy get your facts straight.
and my writing is what like an adolescents ?
well my writing and your art our on the same level, maybe when i get my writing sorted your art might look like summet worth showing but i doubt it .
and beleave me if u want a slanging match about art and all the *plum* you think you can design then cool im up all night .
oh and to point out that im stickin up for fusion ? well ive never met the guy but his work speaks for itself .when has he said your work was off or not right etc etc ?
well someone needs to tell you .
and dont comment on me backin people up when your practicly sleeping with unflux .
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yeah i posted it for opinions.. constructive criticism would do fine. but not when someone says its common and unorignial and easy to do
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thanx again.
i agree, you cannot compare GBP and USD...
as us english fools work jus as hard for less, but ahh well, thats for a different forum.
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First off I do not want anybody taking what I am saying personally. This is just my opinion.

I would have to say Im slightly on Fusion and JORDO's side with this post. There are so many people on this planet that it is hard to be completely original these days, and no matter what you create, there will be someone who says well thats just not original because "so and so" already made something like that. When I created bigwebmaster.com it seemed like many said to me, "great another script directory, like we do not already have enough of those out there". But to me my site is unique and I am glad I created it and am very proud of my work. I really like Fusion's work too, and I think he has much potential. I would say that he has a simliar style to many other artists out there, but just because his style is similiar, doesn't mean his work isn't unique.

No offense to Unflux, but to me his style doesn't really seem that original either. He definetely isn't the best out there either (in my opinion) but I commend him for always trying to improve himself to make better work. I have seen much work out there similiar to his. There is nothing wrong with that though, everybody is learning and trying to become better at what they do and usually people will try to base their style off of other artwork/designs that intrigue them. When he creates work though, there is never anything out there exactly like that, so i would still say its unique. But, as far as his style, I would say its definetely not unique.

Now even if some artwork is original, that does not mean everybody will like it. I gurantee you will find people who dislike it, and you may find others who enjoy it. Everybody has different tastes and I would try not to take any criticism personally.

Now as far as the Fibre Optic creation by Fusion, I would have to say I really do not care for it. I do like much of the work Fusion has done, but for some reason I do not care for this piece.

As far as personal attacks against each other, you guys really are not resolving much.
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yeah fusion glad someone relised it.
oh and b_heyer 24 000 usd a year ?? what you selling ? your ass
cos it sure as hell isnt your art .

fusion you seem to be posting fast my freind if your online drop me a message im currently on my msn if you would like that chat ? .

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thanx for the kudos big web. appreciate that. i know that were getting nowhere with this, but i just want to prove that abstract art doesnt have to be original to be good. i mean you look at all the abstract on dev art, its jus amazing, and i would love to have a few of them in a nice frame in my room.. really.
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sorry i forgot to say summet
bigwebmaster . i think your spot on there and im sorry not everyone agrees and i have resulted in what i said but i feel so many people need to be told and some times its not clean .
i look at everyones work and i admire for there efforts but for people to realy make comments that dont stand well comparing there own work.
well that gets my guts goin.
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oh and b_heyer 24 000 usd a year ?? what you selling ? your ass


I apologize again, but these words can not go unspoken for. I am currently employed as a webdesigner, making 15 dollars an hour. Also take note I said "has the ability to" which means I currently am not working full time, 40 week years. Also why must you keep commenting on my nonexistant art? I already stated that I do not take much interest in the creation of graphic design.
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and how does one earn 15 an hour, when im losing 15 an hour.. bah
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well ill finish this off by posting another pic lol.
http://www.fusion-netwerx.com/testing/images/carbon.jpg
dont bother postin if your gonna flame :lol:
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web design ?
then why u in digital art forum post given un wanted comments ?
if your not into gfx design dont comment on it cos u know sod all .
and good for you on your wage thats great realy glad at your age you can earn that but dont think that makes you great at what you do.
you have been knocked down a step or two in this post and im glad there was some comments because it gave people the chance to show the truth .
at the end of the day i couldnt care what you earned i couldnt care that i earn what i do im not money driven but its nice to see my work is praised by my company . just like fusions work should be praised .
hell maybe if you stop bitching at peoples work and showed us yours id praise that stuff too.
but for now ......
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i would love to have a few of them in a nice frame in my room..


Lol sorry I hadda start this one off with a quote because it fit so nicely. Now that is very cool, it has a great contrast between darks and lights, and keeps the interest flowing.
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well thanks :)
are you referring to the carbon pic?
and about that quote.. its true, i would love so many of them in my room, if i had enough money, there would be no paint left on my wall, it would be full of dev art digital pics, im a true fan of art, i love it... thats all :oops:
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Yes the carbon one.
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Everyone - let's cut out the little jabs and personal attacks. It's really
not doing anything but making longer posts and taking up bandwidth.

Fusion - you completely missed what I was trying to say. now i have to
write my explanation and i'm dreading it.

Obviously you thought it was very good, and wanted your ego stroked a
bit. If your work is good, and I have told you when I thought i was,
then I would say so. In this particular case, it isn't IMO.

I wasn't trying to start any arguments or tantrums, I was speaking the
truth of my opinion. What was said earlier is true. You put your work on
a public forum for opinion. I'm a professional designer, and I gave you
my opinion. Instead of taking what I said as criticism, you took it as a
personal attack and a bunch of flaming went down. That was clearly not
my intention.

Now let me explain why I said that it was unoriginal...
I have seen and also created those blobs countless times. There isn't
anything orginal, claimed to be art or not, about following a tutorial.
There are tons of free tutorials that teach you exactly how to make what
you made.

b_heyer has a right to his own opinion, just like you and Jordo do. If he
thinks I'm the best, then so be it. I don't really care in the grand
scheme of things. I'm working on client sites, and getting paid to do so,
and their opinion of me and my work is what matters most to me. While
I appreciate the support, I don't relish in it for a second. I know there's
tons of better designers out there, and all I can do is try to achieve that
level of success.

I do the artwork for fun, not for critique. If someone didn't like it, I'd
want to know that, and then to know why. I would then use that as
motivation to do my next one better, not sit back argue my points as to
why I think it is really good.

Defending my own work and my own site is old-hat, and bores me. I
don't think and never have thought, that my site looks or resembles
anything about 2a, other than I made it in flash and so did they. Yes, I
will admit that I was influenced by their work. But any designer would
tell you that the similarities are very minimal.

After all, I emailed the 2a crew for their opinion on my site, asking for
them to tell me whether or not it was too close to theirs. Shane told me
flat out that it didn't remind them of 2a one bit. That's good enough for
me, and i pass that along to anyone who questions it.

Personally, I hate my site now. It's been up for 1.5yrs and I CANNOT
WAIT to change it. I have so many new things I want to do, and
different styles as well. I despise looking at my site any more TBH.

Yes, I am a moderator, but regardless of that, I would always post my
true opinion of something. What good is it for you to hear "looks good"
or "wow, great!" every time you posted a work? i'll tell you = NONE

You will never get better, or expand your horizons when you become
complacent and satisfied with your skills and style.

I'm sorry you took my post and opinion personally. I'm not trying to
make enemies or cause any trouble. I want everyone here to work to
getting better and becoming better webmasters or whatever it is they do.

Being honest is the first step.
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Thank you for ending this Unflux, it had gotten completly out of hand.

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