What do you think about this technology?

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I would like to discuss scopes of the dynamic painting.
For example this is of one of instances of the dynamic picture "Alternative Reality":

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Dynamic Painting is a computer technology assisting an artist to create images on a computer screen (it's 100% digital, of course) Using this approach it possible create pictures which are not stat.ic, but dynamic. They are changing and developing themselves as time goes. Being a fusion of fine art and computer technologies, it is an extremely attractive non-stop show.
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So what you are saying is that the picture moves, randomly? Thats neato, if it does.
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The link isn't working for me.
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So what you are saying is that the picture moves, randomly? Thats neato, if it does.

The picture created on fly. Look at the gallery3 for instance: http://www.sanbase.com/art/gallery3.html - all these pictures is ONE dynamic picture at various moments of time. But as you can see the common stylistics are constant because it is the same picture.

Sorry, it was misprint. The link is: http://www.sanbase.com
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Personally I don't like abstract art. Random or intentional.
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So an artist draws one abstract, and a computer synthesizes the rest?

Im not sure I understand it correctly.

Neat, but one wonders if the synthesized images would actually be considered art.
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Personally I don't like abstract art. Random or intentional.

I'm not sure that it is abstract. IMHO: Abstract is Kandinsky, Pollock etc. Look at this one, for example:

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Is it looks like an abstract painting? I don't think so.

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So an artist draws one abstract, and a computer synthesizes the rest?
Not at all. The artist creates the esthetic approach and the basic principles of creation of a picture, and then the computer, based on that, creates millions of variations of the subject.
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Neat, but one wonders if the synthesized images would actually be
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I think it's Art, why not? Computer cannot 'syntesize' something without a human. Order to your computer - "Create a picture!" :D
The computer is just the means. An artist has his tools - brushes, a sculptor – a chisel. I create paintings, and the computer just displays them. Off course, I do not generate the infinite number of all possible combinations and permutations. I generate the initial color palettes and forms (approximately 1,000 of initial images are done manually). Furthermore, I create the program, which transforms colors and shapes. In other words, I prescribe its future behavior. After that, the painting begins to live on it own. It's like DNA. I create DNA of the picture instead of completed picture.
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I like how these images can make your eyes look at it in different ways. To me that is Abstract, but i guess it is just a matter of opinion.

A photo i took last year is a perfect example of Abstract art. Click Here to see the Photo.

I think they are really neat pieces of work. Well done.
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I understand your point, and Im sure we would have many different opinions on this.

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An artist has his tools - brushes, a sculptor – a chisel


However, those tools don't use themselves to create a work. With the absense of human input it just seems synthetic to me.

Its not to say that it isn't good, it just lacks a human element to it. A synthetic Diamond still looks like a diamond to an untrained eye.

Even if the artist programmed the software to make a piece 100% the way he wanted it to, but was not there actually to create the image - Id have to think there is something missing. The human element.

Its an interesting argument.
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Vladdrac wrote:
IEven if the artist programmed the software to make a piece 100% the way he wanted it to, but was not there actually to create the image - Id have to think there is something missing. The human element.
Its an interesting argument.


OK. This is Art WITH human element:

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You are ready to pay for this masterpiece $11,000,000? No? Well, you wish to pay $100 and to hang up this picture on YOUR wall?.. I do not think so...

OK, Dynamic painting is not Art. It is an element of design. Why not? The question is: what it is more preferable for you - the Rotho masterpiece or a dynamic picture which varies all time?
For instance this one:

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I wouldn't hang your picture on my wall :lol:
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I wouldn't hang your picture on my wall :lol:


Yes, that is because you have a shiny new apartment which will be full of pictures handed to you by your family etc etc :wink:
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I wouldn't hang your picture on my wall

No problem, 613flavah! Thanks God we live in a free country! :)
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Not exactly sanbase:

http://www.ozzu.com/announcements-rules/ozzu-rules-and-regulations-t697.html

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sanbase, if you'd READ THE RULES and pay attention, my blog reference IS IN MY SIGNATURE as per the rules. Thanks for coming out!
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OK, Dynamic painting is not Art. It is an element of design. Why not? The question is: what it is more preferable for you - the Rotho masterpiece or a dynamic picture which varies all time?


Well, whatever you call it, I'm not impressed. I'm basically with flavah. Personally I don't like your's or the Rotho masterpiece. But I suppose that's the way it is with art. Extremely subjective.
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Well, whatever you call it, I'm not impressed. I'm basically with flavah. Personally I don't like your's or the Rotho masterpiece. But I suppose that's the way it is with art. Extremely subjective.

The goal of my message is not to pay attention to MY OWN art. My purpose - to pay attention to the new TECHNOLOGY . I suppose that I'm not too talented artist. Maybe. But someone other can make excellent pictures using this technology.

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You did not see my works. You saw only STATIC images. :)
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I understood you quite clearly. I'm not impressed with the technology either. I was actually tempted to remove this post a couple times because in reality all it is is a nicely covered up sales pitch.
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I understood you quite clearly. I'm not impressed with the technology either. I was actually tempted to remove this post a couple times because in reality all it is is a nicely covered up sales pitch.

I not a seller. I have no company. I'm a private person. I do not sell technology. Do you want to get it for free? - ask me.
If it is your own forum - you can remove this post. You are supermoderator, you have this power. But I thought it is forum for artists and designers. This is "Digital Art" thread.
And If you wish to tell to me something - why you use the main thread? Send me a private message.

I think you should remove all yours and my posts because it interested only for you and me. But the subject can interest other people here.
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I not a seller. I have no company. I'm a private person. I do not sell technology. Do you want to get it for free? - ask me.


Why do you sell it for $24.99 on your website then?
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LOL owned!
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Why do you sell it for $24.99 on your website then?

The thing is that, the size of this program is about 200MB, therefore I should send CD by mail. But I cannot do it for my own expenses. I think, that 2.5 cents/image is not too expensive. In any case it's not my business, belive me.

It is the instance of other dynamic picture. Looks more traditionally:
You can see, that the stylistics and a plot of this picture and the previous ones are absolutely different.

http://www.sanbase.com/art/img/x396.jpg

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Why do you sell it for $24.99 on your website then?

The thing is that, the size of this program is about 200MB, therefore I should send CD by mail. But I cannot do it for my own expenses. I think, that 2.5 cents/image is not too expensive.


Okay I can understand there is an expense to put it on a cd and send it via mail. CDs cost around 20 cents I think, and to mail it probably costs less than a buck. So selling it for $24.99 means there is quite a bit of profit on each one. So who is receiving that profit? Are you donating it to a great cause? Such as the Sanbase foundation?
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Okay I can understand there is an expense to put it on a cd and send it via mail. CDs cost around 20 cents I think, and to mail it probably costs less than a buck. So selling it for $24.99 means there is quite a bit of profit on each one. So who is receiving that profit? Are you donating it to a great cause? Such as the Sanbase foundation?

Could you copy CD for me for free? + envelopes (special for CD) + stamps (for instance in China, Australia etc.). OK? All profit will be yours. :)
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I do not try to make a representation of the three-dimensional world, I draw a picture like artists do. It is a different approach in comparison with a standard 3D application. It may not be as realistic, but my goal was not a realistic image. My purpose was to make the image meaningful, emotional, but at the same time abstract.

I have made it for my daughter, for example:
http://www.sanbase.com/art/img/x398.jpg
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sanbase wrote:
I do not try to make a representation of the three-dimensional world, I draw a picture like artists do. It is a different approach in comparison with a standard 3D application. It may not be as realistic, but my goal was not a realistic image. My purpose was to make the image meaningful, emotional, but at the same time abstract.

I have made it for my daughter, for example:
http://www.sanbase.com/art/img/x398.jpg


So in other words you wrote the program and are trying to sell it?
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I still don't understand why you joined ozzu just to post this? What is your main message? I don't understand the meaning behind this thread...
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So in other words you wrote the program and are trying to sell it?
No. The program is not for sale.
I wish to find people whom interests this technique. I do not intend to make a secret of this technology; I am ready to share it with talented folks. But they must possess two talents: the depictive skill and computer programming. I am not saying there are no such people, I myself am an artist and computer programmer, but I do know other people with the same combination of skills. I try to find them.
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How very odd. sanbase, I tried to respond to this message when it was first posted in the General Discussion forum, but the thread was moved and then it disappeared. This was a few days ago, I think. And now, it's back. Hrm.

Anyway. Regardless of your motivation for posting on this forum, regardless of what people think about your personal work, the technology is something I find amazing and fascinating. I can think of quite a few chaoscope, xenodream, apophysis, and ultra fractal users who'd really go for this kind of thing. Is the technology behind dynamic painting something that you will be making commercially available, something that you would license to individuals? I think that it would really fit in well with the fractal/flame artist community.

To have a constantly mutating, evolving work displayed on a plasma screen hanging on my wall would be amazing. How automated is the process? Do you just start with one of your pieces and let it go? Can you alter any parameters to affect the outcome? Can you keep a visual log of a piece's evolution, so that you can easily recall how it looked, say, a week ago?

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Does it visually mutate in real time?
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Does it visually mutate in real time?

Correct.
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I can think of quite a few chaoscope, xenodream, apophysis, and ultra fractal users who'd really go for this kind of thing.

The approaches are different. I can say - I create DNA of the picture instead of completed picture. In other words I make idea and an esthetics of the picture. It resembles the real world - all people have the same DNA but all we are different because each DNA has small variations. The view of the picture is unpredictable, but common stylistics is constant FOR ONE PICTURE. Other dynamic picture will have different view as well as other concept. It's not easy to explain but look at the galleries on my site. For instance gallery#3 is one picture. Gallery#2 is other one etc. I think you will see the difference.

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Is the technology behind dynamic painting something that you will be making commercially available, something that you would license to individuals?

I'm not a businessman... This is a problem. The development is basically finished but I have no idea what I should do with it...
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You don't have to be a businessman. There are plenty of individual developers selling their own software. Just get a third party to handle sales for you, something reputable like Kagi. Try microISV for all sorts of relevant resources.

Sure, it helps to have some business savvy, but these days, with the resources available, from third parties providing very specific services to friendly and knowledgeable online communities, you can focus on your strengths.

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There are plenty of individual developers selling their own software.

Thank you, Gita but I do not plan to sell software. The dynamic picture is not a program - it's rather device... As well as a traditional picture is not only a frame with canvas. The dynamic picture can be a good only as a whole product.

Also probably I can sell a content. I mean TIFF files in the resolution 6700x9300 pixels. It allows to print picture up to 24"x32". The buyers can edit or scale the image themselves and print it in any print shop. I didn't see similar offers on the Internet. What do you think - whether has it sense?
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I wouldn't buy content. But I would be interested in the technology enabling me to create my own. It's just two different target demographics, it doesn't mean no one would be interested in purchasing your content. But this is a forum frequented by creators of content. It exists for us to help each other do so. If your objective is to sell your content, you're likely in the wrong place.

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If your objective is to sell your content, you're likely in the wrong place.

As I already write here many times - I sell nothing at the moment. You gave me advice how I can sell software. I've answered - I can't sell the soft because dynamic picture is a device (hardware+soft+textures etc.).

But if you wish to make dynamic pictures too - it's OK. I can help you. But you should understand, that I can explain only principles as YOU can make it. Dynamic painting is a kind of Art therefore I cannot give you the finished device which will produce the content because, in this case, it will be MY content but not yours. I will help but you should make your dynamic picture themselves.
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Does it visually mutate in real time?

Correct.

P.S. Look at couple of my recent works: http://www.sanbase.com/art/samples.html
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Sounds fascinating sanbase, I remember seeing something similar years ago, but this is a lot more polished. (I can't even find the link now.)
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If you happen to come to Montreal end this month, I am pleased to invite you to visit Gallerie Gora at 279 Sherbrooke Ouest St. A full-size dynamic picture will be put on exposition in the gallery on February 14 - March 3, 2007. This time it will be provided with a 30" display 2560x1600. I hope, you will enjoy it.

Yours, San Base

Samples here: http://www.sanbase.com/art/
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Hi again San Base, still on the case eh? :D

This new work is a lot more sophisticated - almost baroque!? I won't be in Montreal in the near future unfortunately, best of luck though.

As an aside, I just re-read this thread, what an appalling reception this chap got the last time. Ozzu is not always friendly I think.
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You all keep talking
Sanbase I all ready saved all your confused images
Printing one by one
Sold 2 of them for some peanuts but money is coming
Thanks sanbase -good luck
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Not exactly my taste in art but interesting either way.
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you mean it can move?
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cjxxi wrote:
you mean it can move?

Yes. The picture is changing and developing with time. Look at the gallery#10 (http://www.sanbase.com/art/gallery10.php It is ONE picture at the different moments.
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//image too big

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Are you stilll spamming this. God why don't I just delete you. You are one lucky person
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ATNO/TW wrote:
Are you stilll spamming this. God why don't I just delete you. You are one lucky person


Every post you have made here is this one post. What do you wish to acccomplish?
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We're developing a screensaver for Windows (Dynamic Picture) based on a novel computer graphics technology and I'd like to gauge an interest to such project, its coolness factor and if you have any trouble using it.

You'll need a graphics card supporting shader model 2.x or above and at least 128 MB of video memory to run it (e.g. Radeon X800 and GeForce 5x00 or above). Even though the final product will be used as a screensaver, you can launch it from the desktop shortcut for testing. Just keep in mind it's not a final product and just ignore the message about the registration (cancel out of it). Any honest feedback (both positive and negative) would be greatly appreciated.

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There is an article about my work in the latest issue of the IEEE Computer Graphics magazine - and my picture on the cover. :)
One more article about my technic is here (tom's hardware):

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//image is too wide as per Ozzu rules. I'm not going to tell you this again!

It goes!

Best regards,
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All you've done since arriving here is spam. I'm not sure why you are still around to be honest.

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