ID cards

Hey music, they dont do that over here in the uk, and i wouldnt think they would so that in the usa either.

You only get your finger print taken if you have performed a crimial offence.

When your born they take a sample of your DNA and store it, but I'm not opposed to that. The record is not stored on a computer somewhere - it is stored on paper, locked up tight.

Do the poilce have access to this? I thought that out medical records are confidential?

What do i know anyway, i thought because ive watched the bill (uk series about the poilce) lol

they can't just go in and go through them all but if they need someone's DNA to proove a particular case they can get a warrant.

There's a Cybernetics professor at Reading University who has a chip inserted in him - It opens all the doors in his faculty for him because he's too lazy. He was one of the judges on robot wars lol

Of course no ones died from jelly - it's safe. I would have said strawberry, but have become quite partial to raspberry recently. It's pretty darn close though.

DNA is not sufficient proof to convict someone. Random particles in a car do not prove that you stole it. And the chanceof a sufficient number of particles getting into a car is pretty remote. What it does do is give the police some leads, pointing them in the direction of a suspect.


IE rape victim scratches their attacker an gets some of the assailants skin under their nails. This is then sampled by the police who match it up to someone because they have their dna records. They then arrest that person on suspicion. Thats as far as the dna goes.

Once they have their suspect, they need to check if they have scratchmarks that match, do they have an alibi, where they in a position to have commited the crime.

You cannot be convicted on dna alone.

Vlad - I'm sure you appreciate your freedom, and so do I, but having my car stolen and left over £1000 out of pocket by it, you'll forgive me if I'm not to sympathetic with people who want the freedom to commit crimes.

yeah they do have your fingerprints from the time your born your fingerprints dont change pattern they just grow.

you have to remember that the people who make the rules can also break the rules and these are the ones who can get access to anything. there is no such thing as personal privacy when the rule makers/breakers want to find something.

I'm sorry to hear that your car was stolen, but I don't see how a national id card system would have prevented that from happening. Most people who argue against a national id system are not arguing in favor of a freedom to commit crimes, but rather that the benefits to the state are outweighed by the infringment of the privacy of the individual. Collecting fingerprints, dna, etc from suspects in criminal cases after obtaining the necessary court order, or from persons who have been convicted of committing crimes is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

However, to collect such information from the entire population is to treat everyone as a potential criminal. If people make the argument that this is acceptable because they don't intend to commit crimes then they are headed down a dangerous path which leads to, "Only criminals need rights." If we follow this course we must have a great deal of confidence in the benevolency of the state. As a student of history, I do not have such confidence.

When the US Constitution was being debated, some of the "founding fathers" were concerned that it might subject the citizen to tyranny by the government - something many of them had experienced firsthand. They demanded that the Bill of Rights, which became the first ten amendments, be added. I think they were very wise to take this action. I do not think that human nature has changed all the much since then, and I think that those in power will tend to abuse such power unless there are legal restraints on it. In a free society the rights of the individual are a necessity, and we should guard our rights jealously because those in power (some of them anyway) will always be tempted to seize them in a time of crisis.

I solemnly agree with that

No, no, no... I think Im just genetically modified enuff to be valid. Perhaps I'll sell my identidy on Ebay. Its 300 dollars and comes complete with 2 years of uraine, hair, heartbeat recordings, and other DNA samples.

Lol, having ID cards would be ok I suppose, but I cant even hold onto my school ID lol. Im constantly getting hassled by the man for not having my ID . Lol, they should try using those barcode tattoes.

You know what, I bet you somebody would probably pay a lot of money on ebay if you where selling your identity. Include your birth certificate, drivers liscence, ID card, all information about you, etc.,

I wonder how much an identity would go for

No I was just countering vlads comment about having the freedom to steal a car. I don't quite see how someone can complain about their personal rights and at the same time want the freedom to be able to violate other people's rights (such as the right of ownership). A "do unto others" kinda thing.




very true: "power corrupts".

However, I don't think anyone yet has explained how a sample of dna, or particularly fingerprint and retinal scans, can actually be of any detriment to me if in the hands of the government. I can understand the point about the insurance companies, but what exactly are the government going to do with my fingerprints?

a government could potentially plant your DNA at the scene of a crime, e.g. the assisnation of the opposition leader.

If I had a bit more time there are at least ten more ideas, many of which are much more realistic and more likely, than that one.

or plant the dna of an opposition leader at the scene of a crime.

just out of curiousity, how do you "plant" dna? The data would be stored digitally -they wouldn't have a whole lab full of hair samples and shedded skin. You cant just plant dna. You would have to take the dna data and recreate it in a lab, grow a hair sample or a skin sample and then plant that at the scene of a crime. I don't even know how feasable that is... (bear in mind that a clone's dna is less similar to the original sample than twins are from one another.

Surely it's much easier to pay someone to run past the person and grab a handful of hair on the way past ??? I would have thought so. You could also get someone to seduce the person, then take some dna samples - whilst also taking some photos for blackmail purposes. I think using DNA in that way is a little to advanced to make it practical. Maybe it will be in the future, but maybe not. There are a thousand maybe's that could affect your life, can you worry about all of them?

Thats a very good point rtm. This is a very controversial topic. I myself would not have a problem with having my dna on record. I think that the ID cards could be a bit of a problem with people selling them.

Maybe a chip placed under the skin would be a better option but i cant see that happening. IMS dont like needles!! lol