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Post February 1st, 2010, 9:46 am

IEBlog is covering a few of the changes/enhancements currently underway with Internet Explorer 9. There's talk of performance improvements and standards compliance, but history teaches us that they talk one game and walk another. They're already more concerned/impressed with themselves for swapping graphics to the vid card from the PC (hooray for more custom API's *puke*) and getting rounded corners. Their reference to Acid 3 as a standards test is a joke, but that explains why they're always 10 years behind in compliance - I mean c'mon...a 32? Really? They didn't even do well in the sub-test sections that are receiving the most interest right now; they bombed the majority of DOM-related tests, CSS3 selector tests, and SVG-related tests. I was also a little disappointed that there's not a single mention of HTML5, but if they can't support existing technologies properly, I suppose support for what's "new" is expecting too much - webkit, anyone? Not Microsoft. They're stubbornly refusing to the right thing. Again...and again...and again...

I feel like M$ is struggling to stay atop the innovation field as other browsers like Chrome, Opera, Firefox, etc. begin to outshine them. The problem is that these other browsers handle the core functionality first while IE chooses to ignore the voices of developers and users alike and continually do what they think is best. I suppose I could look at this with a positive light; if they continue to steam forward at this pace, they'll someday alienate their entire user base, perhaps then allowing me to stop coding for IE. Hey, I can dream, right? :D

Source: MSDN Blog (IEBlog)

UPDATE: On a side note, this tool linked from the comments is also worth a look.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 9:46 am

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Post February 1st, 2010, 1:59 pm

Microsoft behind on other applications, nah.. never !!!.. OpenGL is far better and DirectX is only just implementing some things that OpenGL had 3 - 5 years ago and saying that it is great and new..

I personally think it would be great to make a standard that makes all of the browser makers made liable if they do not follow, then they are financially liable and forced to fix to the standards.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 2:11 pm

Hahaha! Bitter much?
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Post February 1st, 2010, 2:30 pm

Nah.. not bitter.. not at all.. Microsoft, I just cannot get over that they say that they will/do conform to standards but they just do not appear to. I really hope that I am proven wrong.

I suppose what I mean, is that they are a business, and they have done a great job in getting there software out there, a really good job. I just kinder hoped that they would try and be part of the game that they at present nearly own, they have no need to go against the tread to set apart there applications from not working with standards apart from people will need to use them to make it work ( which I assume is good business sense ?).

I really am not bitter at all, It is great to have a choice of what browser to use if you want to change from the default settings.

It is funny that the Apple symbol is on the PC's on most films these days..
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Post February 1st, 2010, 2:46 pm

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It is funny that the Apple symbol is on the PC's on most films these days..


Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's funny, when I was a kid and computers started appearing in schools in the early and mid 80's, they were all Apple Macs. I mean ALL of them.

Then, of course, in the early and mid 90's, as we all know, it all switched over to IBM compatible/Windows PC's.

I can't wait to see what the next decade has in store.

Otherwise, I think MS made great strides between IE6, 7 and 8. I'll look forward to 9 and reserve judgment until the full release.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 2:58 pm

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I can't wait to see what the next decade has in store.

Otherwise, I think MS made great strides between IE6, 7 and 8. I'll look forward to 9 and reserve judgment until the full release.


Yeah.. I really cannot wait for the next decade either, I wonder if there will be more interactive machines as standard ? talking / movements etc, they are in development / production but would be great to have them as more standard.

Yeah.. totally agree, with you regarding the IE9 waiting on the full release, and as I said, I really hope that I am proven wrong and IE 9 is great with standards.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 3:44 pm

If you look at the summary at the very bottom you would see how bad MSIE is... 32% support of things for MSIE9 which is lower then the far past releases of other browsers. I am definitely waiting until MSIE expires. I mean the whole MSIE is out of existence.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 4:02 pm

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I am definitely waiting until MSIE expires. I mean the whole MSIE is out of existence.

I wouldn't hold your breath, guys.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 4:04 pm

Just for clarification, I think this is what Bogey's referring to...

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Post February 1st, 2010, 5:44 pm

That is exactly what I was talking about. Thank you for clarifying that :)

Seems like MSIE can't or doesn't know how to compete with the other web browsers. Or they simply don't want to.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 5:49 pm

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Seems like MSIE can't or doesn't know how to compete with the other web browsers. Or they simply don't want to.


If I had a 75% to 85% market share, I wouldn't feel much like I needed to "compete" either.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 5:51 pm

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... I was also a little disappointed that there's not a single mention of HTML5, but if they can't support existing technologies properly, I suppose support for what's "new" is expecting too much - webkit, anyone? Not Microsoft...


So I take it that you are in support of them providing features that are not yet standards, yes?
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Post February 1st, 2010, 6:18 pm

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Bogey wrote:
Seems like MSIE can't or doesn't know how to compete with the other web browsers. Or they simply don't want to.


If I had a 75% to 85% market share, I wouldn't feel much like I needed to "compete" either.

Most of those people are people who aren't developers and don't really care about development and the rest is developers who still test for MSIE.

MSIE makes a browser that shows sites and has bells and whistles to appease to the non-developers (and plug-ins that would help developers... maybe. Don't know as I never searched for them)... after all, what percentage of the world develops sites?
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Post February 1st, 2010, 6:32 pm

Since we are on the subject, I just got this email from Google today:

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Dear Google Apps admin,​

In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. This includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. As a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers.

We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. After that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar.

Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above.

Starting this week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. We will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change.

In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. We are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses.

Thank you for your continued support!

Sincerely,

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Very happy to see a large company dropping support for IE6. Such a pain always remembering to find workarounds for that browser.
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Post February 1st, 2010, 6:49 pm

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... I was also a little disappointed that there's not a single mention of HTML5, but if they can't support existing technologies properly, I suppose support for what's "new" is expecting too much - webkit, anyone? Not Microsoft...


So I take it that you are in support of them providing features that are not yet standards, yes?

It would be fun to mess around with something new and interesting as HTML5.
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