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    A sex scandal involving McCain & former Miss Alaska.
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    A financial scandal involving Palin, Alaska, & Big Oil.
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    McCain gets assassinated in his first month and Palin becomes the first woman president.
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    McCain has heart attack and Palin becomes president. re: number 1
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    Palin's husband discovers them...McCain is impeached
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    Undecided

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Well Senator McCain finaly chose his running mate. The Woman Gov. from Alaska, Sarah Palin. So now no matter who wins, it's not just going to be a couple white guys in the White House.

I think that it's kinda cool. What about you?

Note: please don't turn this into a political argument.
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Possible situations.

1) A sex scandal involving McCain & former Miss Alaska.
2) A financial scandal involving Palin, Alaska, & Big Oil.

I was going to vote if McCain picked Romney. I'm not so sure I will now, I've never even heard of Palin. She seems alright at first glance, but the fact that she's got ties in Alaska, the place Big Oil would love to get their hands in, raises a red flag for me.
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Make a poll. I'd vote number 2

//On second thought add a third option. McCain gets assassinated in his first month and Palin becomes the first woman president. (no ill intent extended to McCain, btw)
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Now that you mention it, I think #1 could in a way lead to #3, considering McCains age. What would happen in that situation ?
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heart attack? //anyone wanna take dibs on how fast Google indexes this one?
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Joe, help me keep track of poll options *wink

//revoting is allowed.
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just realized every time poll options are added poll count resets. Sorry about that, but poll will run until election. You can revote at any time.
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Anyone else notice how the google ads on the right side are showing a McCain\Palin banner in this thread? I guess that means the google spider works!
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Oddly, I'm getting an ad for Joomla Tutorials.
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I just downloaded the current version of Joomla....hmmmm...
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I got the joomla ad just now, then changed my vote, and now I'm getting a bunch of little text only ads for various Obama and McCain related websites.

I have a new scenario, it kind of involves a few of the ones listed. While trying to broker a deal with big oil companies in Alaska, McCain and Palin get totally smashed in a night club in Florida and, shall we say, end up sharing a motel room together. And in the process, all the excitement and caffeinated alcohol cause McCain to drop over of a massive heart attack. Palin takes office and tries to hide the bitter truth, but talks in her sleep and her husband hears, and then SHE gets impeached and divorced for a sex scandal.
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I was just thinking about her husband. That would kind of suck being that guy, I think.

Oh well, here's to him.

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If he's smart he will stay in Alaska and spend his time fishing and hunting and everything at the tax payers expense, lucky SOB.
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What if Obama is elected with Bidden as vice and Obama gets assasinated ? Would people be more pissed off about that than they would if he just never made it into office ?

I read up a little bit on Palin, I didn't realize until now that she's for drilling in Alaska. That makes the red flag fly a little higher for me.
Though she seems to have brought a lot of corruption to justice. If she does end up having something to do with drilling in Alaska becomming a reality it might be safe to say that at least there will be no scandals around the sitiation.

I don't know about that 90%+ approval rating though. Nobody is that clean.
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Well, I feel like we'll "GTKY: Palin" next week at the RNC convention. I'm going to give her a fair shot.

I hate to sound like a chauvinist, but she's pretty easy on the eyes...in a neo-conservative, pro-drilling ANWR, anti-choice kind of way. :)
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tell you what dM, you email her, get her to sign up here and we'll start a GTKY thread.
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Yes! In fact, we should get all four, McPalin and O'Biden to sign up and have a debate on Ozzu! :thumbsup:
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Damnit how am I supposed to get a job as a pool boy in Alaska !?
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Damnit how am I supposed to get a job as a pool boy in Alaska !?


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I read up a little bit on Palin, I didn't realize until now that she's for drilling in Alaska. That makes the red flag fly a little higher for me.
Though she seems to have brought a lot of corruption to justice. If she does end up having something to do with drilling in Alaska becomming a reality it might be safe to say that at least there will be no scandals around the sitiation.


That is a big disappointment for me too. I want to get off foreign oil as much and as soon as possible, but I don't want to ruin Alaska. I've never been there, but I know that it is not the kind of place we want to go screwing up like that. My aunt and uncle from Lincoln NE have a time share thing near Trinidad CO and the big business there is natural gas. There are a few pipe heads on that chunk of land, and an actual well just down the road about a hundred yards. The nice thing is that the natural gas company built really good roads to get in and out for everybody to use, but the bad thing is that there are trucks flying down them virtually 24 hours a day. When my parents and I went there with them a month or so ago I put my tent right near the road because it was flat and cactus free, and every night just as soon as I would start drifting to sleep a truck would go by waking me up. Not to mention those noisy gas powered pumps just down the road... And the clear cutting they've been doing...
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I really don't care if they destroy Alaska. I'll probably never go there and it really makes no difference to me.

What I'm worried about is Alaska providing enough oil to last for decades to come and the energy companies losing the incentive to develop cost effective means of alternative energy.
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Drilling somewhere else is only a temporary fix too. It will work great for the immediate future, but as we are seeing in the present day we will eventually run out again. And we'll be in the same predicament then as we are now, wondering how to get out of it.
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The difference is, that the shift will likely happen at the end or after my life time if we find more oil. I'd kinda like to be around to experience the shift. :)
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you forgot one option for your poll, "Palin's faked pregnancy to cover for teenage daughter" - looks like its going to be the winner :roll:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29 ... 417/579267
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Definitely didn't see that one coming.
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I'm glad i'm not American and in a position to vote here. I like to vote when i can, so it would suck having to decide between Obama and McCain. There are things about them both i don't particularly like.

I'll also admit to not really know what the real purpose of a running mate is. Would this person end up being vice president?
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Yes, SB, they would be the VP - and the VP is the person who would become president if something was to happen to POTUS. The expression is "...a hearbeat away from the presidency."

When FDR died, Truman became persident.
When Kennedy was assasinated, LBJ became president.
When Nixon resigned, Ford became president.

...etc.

The VP also presides over the senate and casts a deciding vote in the case of a tie.

The VP is also known as the president's attack dog.

I'm glad you're not voting here, too. :lol: j/k
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you forgot one option for your poll, "Palin's faked pregnancy to cover for teenage daughter" - looks like its going to be the winner :roll:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29 ... 417/579267


Ha! That's...em...wow! I think I'll wait until the mainstream media starts picking up this one before I invest any belief. ;)
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I'm glad you're not voting here, too. :lol: j/k


If your reasoning behind that comment is because i didn't know the importance of the running mate then i can assure you that if i were American i would be paying more attention than i currently do.

In saying that, this election seems to be getting a whole load of media interest over here, so much so that we here more about American politics than we do out own. Infact, i am not joking when i say this but we see more of Obama on TV here talking to "us" than we do our own Prime Minister. Go figure.
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Cool. I was really just kidding. I hope I didn't offend.
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Nah, it takes alot to offend me. Your making me out to being Pinky (from pinky and the brain) via one of your previous comments was more offensive ;)
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if i were American i would be paying more attention than i currently do.


You probably are already paying more attention. Most Americans vote for political parties over candidates judged on their own merits.

For instance, I live in SC, a solidly RED state. On road signs, the Republican canidates clearly put "REPUBLICAN" in a conspicuous place. Democrats tend to leave that bit off, hoping no one will notice.
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I really should visit the US sometime. I can't imagine ever seeing that sort of thing on signs here. It seems as though people rather look towards all the things that were done rather than all the things that will be done.

Sometimes it can be a good thing looking at the past, but not always. People will see Bush's time in charge as being more negative thanks to the media reports...in saying that i think the media here seems to favour the Democrats more than the Republicans. There seems to be more hatred towards the Republicans thanks to Bush whereas the amount of coverage Obama has been getting and the kind of coverage suggests he is a preferred candidate from the media. I just can't believe McCain is doing as little in the public as the media would appear to suggest. It's as if it's all Obama at the moment.

We don't really get TV stations that are pro-one party and against another. I've seen shows like "late night with Letterman" and he seems to express his political views across very much, isn't he a Democrat? We don't get stuff like that here.
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I've always been fascinated by the UK's political system. The parlimentary assemblies where the the Prime Minister is directly and openly questioned, and then cheered or jeered is amazing to me. The only time we see our president in the same room with congress is during the "State of the Union" address which is a highly scripted and fairly polite affair.

I would take issue with one of your previous statements...
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People will see Bush's time in charge as being more negative thanks to the media reports...


This simply isn't true. Mr. Bush has done this all on his own. In the US, there simply isn't such a thing as the "liberal media". On my TV, I can watch exclusively conservative media 24/7. Like Faux News...oops, I mean Fox News. :lol: The same is true of radio, newspapers, periodicals and, of course, the internet.
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I would take issue with one of your previous statements...
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People will see Bush's time in charge as being more negative thanks to the media reports...


This simply isn't true. Mr. Bush has done this all on his own. In the US, there simply isn't such a thing as the "liberal media". On my TV, I can watch exclusively conservative media 24/7. Like Faux News...oops, I mean Fox News. :lol: The same is true of radio, newspapers and periodicals, and of course, the internet.


Which like i say isn't the kind of media we have here. So i guess my "negative thanks to the media" comment was an opinion based on a personal view.
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I just thought of something today.

If votes actually mattered, we'd send people out to collect them like we do tax census statistics.
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Thats one thing I just cannot grasp. All our lives they have told us that our votes matter, but they don't! We have this electoral college thing that decided one way or another for president, so if doesn't matter whether or not we citizens vote for president because all that is going to do is give the mainstream media something to make a fancy graph about.
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And the media stops at nothing for a good story
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Reporters are already winging their way to Alaska to probe what Alaskans call "Troopergate," a story concerning former state trooper Mike Wooten, who is engaged in a nasty custody fight with Palin's sister. Alaska's former public-safety commissioner Walt Monegan says he resisted pressure from Palin's office to fire Wooten, and was later dismissed by the governor as a result. Now the state legislature has appointed a special counsel, Steve Branchflower, to probe the mess. Branchflower has opened a tip line for Alaskans who might know if the governor and possible next vice president of the United States abused her power.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156258/page/2
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We have this electoral college thing that decided one way or another for president...


I agree, I think the electoral college is clearly antiquated. I'd love to see a real movement to modernize this in some way, if not do away with it, entirely.

Our votes only count so far as our electoral votes count. That sucks.
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Hey wait a second I just realized I live in Florida, my vote really doesn't count !
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surprised you haven't put up a chad avatar yet joe
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surprised you haven't put up a chad avatar yet joe


The door swinging open could be a metaphor for a "swinging chad"
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I always thought it meant "The door is always open, but don't let it hit you in the arse..."
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:lol:
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Holy crap! She is pregnant.

...the 17 y.o., that is.
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I sure hope McCain isn't the one who knocked her up.
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Whats wrong with drilling in Alaska, you do realize how small the projected area in ANWR is?Look here for a comparision map. Or would you rather continue to rely on throat cutters to produce and sell us our oil while China drills off the coast. I like the lady she's a tough chick, going after corruption her own party is a good indication she doesn't mess around.
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Whats wrong with drilling in Alaska, you do realize how small the projected area in ANWR is?Look here for a comparision map. Or would you rather continue to rely on throat cutters to produce and sell us our oil while China drills off the coast. I like the lady she's a tough chick, going after corruption her own party is a good indication she doesn't mess around.


When you put it like that it seems like a good idea, it gets the whole "We can take care of ourselves !" mentality going.

The problem is that it really doesn't solve anything, it's a temporary fix that will eventually lead to expanding the area once supply there falls short, which completely negates the whole "Oh it's only a small area" argument.
It also detracts from better alternatives.

She's right on with natural gas, but drilling for oil is taking a flying leap backwards.
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Whats wrong with drilling in Alaska, you do realize how small the projected area in ANWR is?Look here for a comparision map. Or would you rather continue to rely on throat cutters to produce and sell us our oil while China drills off the coast. I like the lady she's a tough chick, going after corruption her own party is a good indication she doesn't mess around.


There already is drilling in ANWR with congressional authorization. Otherwise, I agree with joebert. Destroying a wildlife refuge (or a small part of it) isn't going to offset the amount of oil we import any time in the near future and is yet another example of do whatever the hell we want now and let our kids sort out the problems later. Just like borrow-and-spend-and-borrow-again.

One would think that if it is so very small, they could find another place to drill that isn't a protected resource.

As for Palin, I think it's amazing how so many people could love and/or loathe her without knowing any more than the 1 paragraph of info that's come out on here. As for being a reformer...3 words..."Contract with America".
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no offense to all my friends here, but america really scares me...

(slightly relatedly, the serbian news on the tv behind me just stating how palin's daughter is pregnant and will be getting hitched soon (presumably not to McCain :) Also it says all the press is rallying to support her, which is nice)

but seriously. your electoral system is strange beyond belief, it's incredibly long-winded and wasteful in terms of resources, and in the end it doesn't even seem to work (I still don't understand how Bush managed to become President the second time. Heck I don't even really understand about the first time. weren't they both extremely shady??)

drilling in alaska sounds to me like an unbelievably bad idea. the 'little spot' is bound to spread, and once precedent has been set it'll be easier. the logic of 'i'm not gonna go there so go ahead and wreck it' seems a little dangerous.... it would be a shame if we turned the entire world into dirty industrial sprawl. it's nice that we have nature reserves, breathtaking landscapes, some remaining glaciers, some breathing rainforests...... gives a bit of variety. maybe if we made everyone go and see these places and realise how beautiful they really are (without going into the whole global warming thing), I think we'd all be a little less quick to part with them.

as for the poll, I voted 3 cuz it amused me the most, but I don't really see McCain getting assassinated by anybody.... Obama, on the other hand, seems to me far more likely to get taken out, possibly even before he becomes president. (Many of my friends/ acquaintances just don't believe that America is ready to take the notion of being guided by a black man. Me I'm reserving my opinion until the votes are in......... personally i'd like obama to be president. he gives off a far better vibe than most politicians out there, and he seems to be talking specifics rather than lofty rhetoric)

anyhow it will certainly be interesting to see which way the vote goes.... it's funny really, all of the world is following the US elections (I can't really envision the US keeping an eye on, say, Sweedish elections, or Serbian ones for that matter....)
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I agree with celandine about the electoral system ... I prefer ours in Australia. We go, we vote, we usually find out the result that night on the tele, and there's no massive candidate speeches and all that hoo-haa. :) My worthless two cents.
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I agree with celandine about the electoral system ... I prefer ours in Australia. We go, we vote, we usually find out the result that night on the tele, and there's no massive candidate speeches and all that hoo-haa. :) My worthless two cents.


I think the primary difference in our electoral processes hinges on compulsory voting. I would love to see a form of compulsory voting in the US, but I don't think I know of any movements in that direction.

That being said, our weird , boisterous system has served us quite well for over 200 years. While our electoral processes probably do seem strange, I can assure you that your countries have electoral practices that seem odd to us. To understand our process you'd have to understand the history in which it was conceived and evolved.

For whatever differences there are between our systems, electorally, your parliamentary democracy and our constitutional democracy aren't so foreign to each other. They are similar in their executive, legislative and judicial branches and how the balances of power are maintained. They are similar in that they both favor a two party system. Further, the Australian people and the U.S. people are quite similar in attitude and in the issues they've dealt with over the past century.
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no offense to all my friends here, but america really scares me...


No offense to you, celandine, but your statement seems wholly irrational. Our system/country hasn't ever produced the likes of Slobodan Milošević.
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You can't compare the American presidential election to England Aussie or Serbia etc. It is in essence, 50 separate countries/states all voting at once. It is the mother of all elections.

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Our system/country hasn't ever produced the likes of Slobodan Milošević.


Very true however, it is responsible for putting 'the terminator' in charge of the worlds 4th largest economy. You actually voted for a fictional character from the movies :?
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...is responsible for putting 'the terminator' in charge of the worlds 4th largest economy. You actually voted for a fictional character from the movies :?


Ha! I assume you are talking about Arnold in California. Technically, I didn't vote for him, nor could I have voted for him. By the way, it should be pointed out that Arnold is Austrian by birth.

We've done better than that, anyway. :lol:
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We've done better than that, anyway. :lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedtime_for_Bonzo


I forgot about Ronnie :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Our system/country hasn't ever produced the likes of Slobodan Milošević.

heh heh heh touché that :D although I could name quite a few countries that have felt as much pain from your presidents as we have felt from our demon... but that would be a whole different discussion... I guess what I meant was, my (thankfully deceased :D) president couldn't do you any harm, and yours could probably do me some....

we don't have compulsory voting, by the way. nor a two-party system. any party that can collect a sufficient number of signatures can put up a candidate, and whoever wants to vote, votes.... you hear the results a couple of hours after the polls close, and that's that...
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heh heh heh touché that :D although I could name quite a few countries that have felt as much pain from your presidents as we have felt from our demon... but that would be a whole different discussion... I guess what I meant was, my (thankfully deceased :D) president couldn't do you any harm, and yours could probably do me some....

Fair enough. Having read your posts to this site very regularly, I can say you might be surprised with how often I agree with your views. I think we, as Americans, have to extremely careful and cautious regarding our ability to impose our will, geo-politically. I don't know that we've always been successful, but I earnestly believe that we've tried. It's hard for me to see this from your perspective.

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we don't have compulsory voting, by the way. nor a two-party system. any party that can collect a sufficient number of signatures can put up a candidate, and whoever wants to vote, votes.... you hear the results a couple of hours after the polls close, and that's that...

Well, I was repsponding to Breeze and the Australian system(s). I've read quite a bit about the Aussies before, but I am admittedly ignorant to the Serbian processes. I guess I've got some homework now! :D
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I agree with celandine and breeze that the election system of my own home country is kind of screwed up. What is it with all these primaries and caucauses, delegates and super voters, and all that other junk? What ever happened to writing someone's name on a piece of paper and sticking it in a box? In a related note, in my home state of Nebraska they are debating on whether or not to force cities to flouridate the water. It is going to be on the ballot this November, but the messed up thing is that if you vote NO, you are actually voting yes to flouride, and if you vote YES, you are actually voting no for flouride. Here is how it is going to be on the ballot:

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“Shall the City of North Platte, Nebraska, adopt an ordinance to prohibit the addition of fluoride to the City’s water system?

___ Yes (To prohibit fluoride from the water system)

___ No (Against the prohibition of fluoride from the water system)”


Screwed up isn't it?


And to the fellow asking what is wrong with drilling in Alaska...The pipe heads and the wells and stuff don't take up much room, you're right on that one, but it is the big above ground pipelines (like the alaska pipeline and the roads and all that junk that has to be built. And drilling for oil in a different location is only a temporary fix, in another hundred or so years we will be in the same predicament we are in now. I remember a public service announcement about the public health care system that applies to the oil thing as well; there was a guy standing on some railroad tracks with a train coming from behind very fast, he said he has good insurance, so health care isn't a problem for his generation. And he stepped off the tracks and there was this little girl standing there, the commercial implied that it is a big issue for her generation. Doing more oil drilling will work great in the short term, but we need something more permanent.
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I'm making up 14% -- undecided. I don't know much about the system of most countries but I know they all want a peaceful, wealthy country. If they were asked to choose one, I think the latter should be more important.

I also believe a country that has been powerful so long, has a model they have found to be working. So, I'm not (no comment) good enough to say if electoral system is Good or not. "I'm actually don't even know about my own country voting system" -- will study about that later..

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You know what's really scarry ?
McCain is what, 70 years old, and this is how he acts after having been around all of that time & having seen the things he has ?
He hasn't exactly been someone sheltered away from the world, hell he's got houses in in more places than some people have even been to.

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I agree with that. By the time the actual election comes around, I think a lot of people are just thinking "Come the f%*# on already, I just want to vote and get this over with !"

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If Obama does make it into office, he'll probably be one of the most heavily guarded presidents in history.
If he makes it into office, and gets re-elected, it will be a major step forward for that situation though.
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Maybe Palin will raise taxes on the oil industry like she did in Alaska!
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I love that!

1st Dem's try to make something of Palin's daughter being pregnant when
they crucified Dan Quayle for saying the same thing was bad on Murphy Brown.

*AND* meanwhile their candidate is a lying bas... was born out of wedlock.

NOW libs want to compare dems and republicans concerning the threat of raising taxes !!!

Really? LOL

And Barry (never run anything including his own household)
is scurrying around saying.."I've got more experience because I have
lots of people working on my campaign."


(She really sounds like a typical sleazeball pol- I hate her already!!!) ;-)

This is from an Alaskan....you are not going to get the truth from the TV.
Here it is from a resident of the state.

I'm not trying to change anyone's vote...just thought this was a good read and tells us something about her history. ~meg~

Well now I'm getting emails from several of you with enthusiasm and curiosity and even doubts about our wonderful - awesome governor who is now running for vice president.


Ok! You want to know a little bit about her: when she became governor she released the cooks and hired help in the governor's mansion in Juneau.
She told them she does her own cooking (and also has two teenage daughters who cook) plus she cleans and shops for groceries.

She also did NOT get a"driver". She drives herself everywhere.

She sold the governor's private lear jet and put that money back into the state.

She felt her husband made the right decision to keep his blue collar job in Prudoe Bay; after she became governor. It was his decision, and she supported him.

She didn't take her kids out of the school they attend in Wasilla (their home town which is 30 miles north of Anchorage) and didn't sell their home there either.

She is very active in her children's school activities. Her husband's snowmobile races, loves to fish, is pro life, and pro guns. She was given a baby shower (huge) and gave everything (money and gift cards included) to babies in need and charities.

Shes a runner, hikes, ride snowmobiles, fishes, hunts, changes diapers, breast feeds her baby, and still runs the government up here with an iron fist. (proved that - getting back to work 2 days after her baby was born last April - taking the baby with her - and not hiring a nanny to take care of the baby)
She is a tough cookie.

Staunch in her beliefs and challenges. She is also very competitive.
Which has helped her advance in her political career. She is extremely intelligent and very well read.

She has been in the middle of blowing "corruption in our government and oil companies" wide open; up here.
Several people are now serving time in prison in the lower 48; as a result.

That's just a start with the stories of our beloved Sarah Palin. If it happens that we lose her to the vice presidency, we will miss her tremendously and will keep our fingers crossed that whoever takes her place as governor; will carry on business up here, half as well as she has!

So she is a hard working, non-elitest, strictly honest, multitasker who puts criminals in jail even if they are in her own party. And she puts the interests of the state 1st, giving actual help to the needy instead of lip service. What a vile creature! Is it any wonder the libs hate her?
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Wow! I feel as though I just got faxed today's talking points from the RNC.
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WOW what a great retort!

It implies the facts above are in question
without actually addressing anything.

Gotta love that libs think insinuation and ridicule are some sort of truth.
That's why you guys think the Daily Show is educating you.

Meanwhile Barry O has a site listing his constant flow of bald faced lies that is run by democrats.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

Of course I know better than to believe any of the faithful would consider reading both sides of an issue.
Only conservatives do that. That is, after all, how they became conservatives.
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WOW what a great retort!

It implies the facts above are in question
without actually addressing anything.

Gotta love that libs think insinuation and ridicule are some sort of truth.
That's why you guys think the Daily Show is educating you.

Meanwhile Barry O has a site listing his constant flow of bald faced lies that is run by democrats.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

Of course I know better than to believe any of the faithful would consider reading both sides of an issue.
Only conservatives do that. That is, after all, how they became conservatives.


mitch77, I'm not sure what you're talking about or why you are so hostile. You've clearly come by this site to make your 2nd post in 4 years to talk AT us. I didn't ridicule you or insinuate anything. These are more "facts" than I've ever seen in one place about Mrs. Palin.

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Arnold, James wrote:
Maybe Palin will raise taxes on the oil industry like she did in Alaska!
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I love that!


Who the hell is James Arnold? Is that you?

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1st Dem's try to make something of Palin's daughter being pregnant when
they crucified Dan Quayle for saying the same thing was bad on Murphy Brown.


First of all, Mr. Obama has been quoted repetitively for his defense of Mrs. Palin and her family.

Secondly, if we go back 16 years to what Mr. Quayle said...
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"It doesn't help matters," Quayle complained, when Brown, "a character who supposedly epitomizes today's intelligent, highly paid professional woman" is portrayed as "mocking the importance of fathers, by bearing a child alone, and calling it just another 'life-style choice.' "

I really don't see what the connection is.

I wish the Dem's would make an issue of this. Mrs. Palin clearly wants to intercede in the educations of young adults by denying them real sex-ed. Instead she only wants to tell them to abstain.

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*AND* meanwhile their candidate is a lying bas... was born out of wedlock.


I guess you're saying "lying bastard"? So, we can't question Mrs. Palin, but you can say enlightened things like that?

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NOW libs want to compare dems and republicans concerning the threat of raising taxes !!!


Who is this? Could you quote a source? I haven't read anyting about that.

It is common during and after wars to raise taxes to pay for the event. That's always happened. Especially when it's so expensive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02846.html
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Former White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey reckoned that the conflict would cost $100 billion to $200 billion; Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld later called his estimate "baloney." Administration officials insisted that the costs would be more like $50 billion to $60 billion.


Current estimate have the cost of this war reaching over 1 TRILLION dollars. Should we just borrow this from China?


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And Barry (never run anything including his own household)
is scurrying around saying.."I've got more experience because I have
lots of people working on my campaign."


Actually, he came up through Chicago politics which is one helluva lot tougher than Alaskan politics. I was a person who questioned Mr. Obama's credentials at the behest of John McCain. So, am I not aloud to question Mrs. Palin's as well?

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This is from an Alaskan....you are not going to get the truth from the TV.
Here it is from a resident of the state.


Ha! Network news won't tell you the truth, but an anonymous web posting will.

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I'm not trying to change anyone's vote...just thought this was a good read and tells us something about her history. ~meg~


Are you ~meg~?

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Well now I'm getting emails from several of you with enthusiasm and curiosity and even doubts about our wonderful - awesome governor who is now running for vice president.


Who's getting emails? You?

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Ok! You want to know a little bit about her: when she became governor she released the cooks and hired help in the governor's mansion in Juneau.
She told them she does her own cooking (and also has two teenage daughters who cook) plus she cleans and shops for groceries.


So what? There are plenty of politicians who cook for themselves. I cook for my whole family. I do my own grocery shopping too. I don't feel as though these things are impositions in my life.

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She also did NOT get a"driver". She drives herself everywhere.


Again, so what? I drive myself. Am I qualified to be the VP?

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She sold the governor's private lear jet and put that money back into the state.


That was a great publicity stunt. Kudos to her on that. Our governer, here in SC brought some pigs on the floor of our legislature once. It's funny what politicians will do to get their message out.

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She felt her husband made the right decision to keep his blue collar job in Prudoe Bay; after she became governor. It was his decision, and she supported him.


So what? My wife put me through school. Maybe my wife should be the VP.

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She didn't take her kids out of the school they attend in Wasilla (their home town which is 30 miles north of Anchorage) and didn't sell their home there either.


This is starting to seem like filler.

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She is very active in her children's school activities. Her husband's snowmobile races, loves to fish, is pro life, and pro guns. She was given a baby shower (huge) and gave everything (money and gift cards included) to babies in need and charities.


Great! Some of these are things my family does too. So what?

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Shes a runner, hikes, ride snowmobiles, fishes, hunts, changes diapers, breast feeds her baby, and still runs the government up here with an iron fist. (proved that - getting back to work 2 days after her baby was born last April - taking the baby with her - and not hiring a nanny to take care of the baby)
She is a tough cookie.


Again, so what? I had a hernia repair and was back at work the next day...and it hurt like hell too. Does she enjoy long walks on the beach as well?

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Staunch in her beliefs and challenges. She is also very competitive.
Which has helped her advance in her political career. She is extremely intelligent and very well read.


None of these are unique qualifications. I know many competitive people who are well read.

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She has been in the middle of blowing "corruption in our government and oil companies" wide open; up here.
Several people are now serving time in prison in the lower 48; as a result.


Good for Alaska.

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That's just a start with the stories of our beloved Sarah Palin. If it happens that we lose her to the vice presidency, we will miss her tremendously and will keep our fingers crossed that whoever takes her place as governor; will carry on business up here, half as well as she has!


Yay! Good for you guys.

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So she is a hard working, non-elitest, strictly honest, multitasker who puts criminals in jail even if they are in her own party. And she puts the interests of the state 1st, giving actual help to the needy instead of lip service. What a vile creature! Is it any wonder the libs hate her?


All of these so-called facts are composed mainly of filler and fluff, which I don't think you actually wrote. There's very little substance here.

I'm sorry your presidential candidate has given you no reason to be motivated until now. You're obviously a happy individual</sarcasm>. Congratulations. Go vote for the person you want to vote for. More power to you.

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Only conservatives do that. That is, after all, how they became conservatives.

OMG! I just read that again. That's funny. Thanks for the laugh.
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1st Dem's try to make something of Palin's daughter being pregnant...


Actually I do think I remember Obama saying that he wasn't going to go after his opponents families. That only seems fair, it helps keep the political back stabbing low key. It was well known that Bush Jr's daughters were drunken partiers, and well known that Bill Clinton was a drug user back in the day, but that didn't seem hamper their election a whole lot.
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By the way mitch77, before you tear me a new one, I would like you to know that I worked on Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1984 as a volunteer even though I was too young to vote. Also, I've yet to vote a straight ticket in my life.

I'm exactly the type of voter that your party is trying to win over. You're not going to do that with a bunch of combative insults and inflammatory language.
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kc0tma is right but I am not referring to Obama as the speaker here.
At any rate I assume he is smart enough to let his proxies do the dirty work.

I confess I just pasted the 1st post as I though it was pertinent to the subject.
There was no intentional malice.

Lots of what 'digitalmedia' call filler was clearly not any sort of fact but of course libs have a tough time discerning facts as they are invested so heavily in lies.

The "filler" was just leaving the letter as I got it for the purpose of context (another area violated often by the left).

You might be surprised to learn that not one of your remarks can't be parried with facts but I have long ago learned not to bother trying to convert libs. I just expose them.

I just can't understand the willingness to elect someone who is a compulsive liar. How can you expect any good to come of it?
The libs love to say "Bush lied" when of course the head of every nation believed as he did and every top intelligence service did too. They want to believe so bad that one of their icons (Dan Rather) conspired to present fabricated letters to make Bush look bad.

Ans I know what Quayle said and I clearly remember the huge outcry from the leftist media about it that went on for days.
You have no point.

As a matter of fact almost all you say has not point accept to pick out parts of a letter that were not meant top be salient and say they are filler. DEEP!!

I am now and have almost always been an IL resident.
For you to suggest that Chicago politics is rough for a black leftist is a joke. Chi is only rough on conservatives and honest pols.

I was raised as a leftist. My father was left of Mao.
He was one of the top dems in the us and was actually asked to run a dem presidential campaign. I was taken by him to see JFK as a child and I was a senate page for the dems. I became a leftist hippie and draft card burner in the 70's.
Then I discovered one of the major tenants I was told all my life was a BIG FAT LIE. For I was always told that communism was just another system no better or worse than our own. But I hitched all over EU and went behind the iron curtain. SURPRISE! It was hell on earth.
I reasoned that if my parents and teachers were soooo very wrong about that what else were they misleading me on?

I decided to read BOTH sides on every issue from then on. I further decided that I would not allow myself to become emotionally invested in any point of view and I got a degree in radio and TV and worked in 2 max watt stations. I got a minor in rhetorical analysis and specialized in logic and reason.
All the while diligently reading.

Anyone who does this (honestly) will not stay a liberal long.
As Winston Churchill said"....any man who is not a conservative when he is older has no brains".

Perhaps you might ask, for instance, why the dems won't let us force Iraq to pay off their debt as they were meant to. They have the money to do it. Haven't heard that covered by the media have ya? Ever wonder why.

Perhaps you might look into some of the actual scientific studies done proving the constant leftist bias in the media...not books of opinions but the critical studies. Proving the media uses language, omission, invective, etc etc to manipulate public opinion.

Then you might also consider that every single study on the subject of brainwashing says essentially that if you are told a lie often enough no amount of IQ will shield you from swallowing that lie.
ONLY intentional effort to find both sides of an issue will keep you from being deceived.

For a conservative to hear only the right means almost no TV, no radio, and no paper accept the few. It is absurdly tough to do and so most of us hear the left all the time. But we study.

And BTW, If you think any of my bio is false I would be more than happy to make you a fat wager on it an supply the proof.
http://www.gravesjudo.com/


Although it (of course) has no bearing on anything that I almost never post I only got here while trying to unsub from Admin emails. Saw an opportunity to shed some light (with heat) and did.


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Please, mitch77, do go on. :)
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Yes, do go on, but please do it in a text color that is a little easier to read on the dark ozzu theme that lots of us use, just to ease the eye strain a bit.
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I only shared about me so you could understand I have real earned perspective.
I am not the product of a right wing upbringing.
And neither am I one who rebelled against my parents point of view.
I just really really want to know the truth.
I think it is the only hope for mankind.

Your last retort was much more sensible dM
but you owe it to yourself to find 'THE' truth.
You owe it to the world,
those you love,
the future.

Bush Sr was far from a great president.
Reacting without wisdom and electing Clinton was the height of foolishness.
Bush jr really screwed the economy into the ground and did a number of really dumb things (attacking Iraq was not one)
but to vote for another man with even less regard for the truth and almost w/o question a hatred for the US is insanity.
(Not even the holy obama can sit and listen to hate filled anti-American crap from his most trusted authority figure for 21 yrs and not be brainwashed to some degree.
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lol ... this is excellent ... I wanted to watch a movie today, but this is way more entertaining ... Gotta love the internet ...
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I vote for tom sawyer. He ain't ment no harm folks.
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Still mostly undecided. I know I won't vote for McCain because I just plain and simple don't like him, but Obama isn't exactly too high on my list either. And unfortunately anyone who is written in on the ballot has only the smallest, little minute chance of actually being elected as president, so that is kind of discouraging.
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Is voting compulsory?
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No, but we have the ability to do it so we shouldn't take it lightly. It kind of sucks though because it always comes down to republicans and democrats being the fore runners, even though there are really dozens of political parties in existence. But the vast majority of people think that since those two parties get the most air time on television that those are the only options. And it always makes me angry when people write in Mickey Mouse or something silly like that. Sure it is kind of a protest statement, but no matter how you look at it, thats a wasted vote.
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i do think voting should be compulsory, maybe not necessarily in the USA but certainly here in the UK. I was in Australia during their elections last year and it was pretty impressive how well run it was being that every person that was eligible to vote legally had to or they would be fined.
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I wonder if people came and got a ballot but never actually voted. Because in situations like this current US presidential election, I don't like the options listed and I can't think of a decent candidate to write in. There are going to be other important things to vote on, so I won't skip it, but the president is going to be a tough decision.
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I'll never get a chance to sit down and speak with each candidate about things important to me, security wouldn't let me in the door.
So technically that makes everything I know about them hearsay.

Hearsay is normally inadmissible as evidence in court, why should it be of any importance in an election ?

The responsible, or honest, thing for me to do in this situation, would be not vote and encourage others not to vote either.

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Well this Charles character is either sexist, or only knows half of the story.
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Speaking of quotes, I thought this was an interesting quote from Herman Goering in his Nuremburg jail cell. I think I heard Jessie Ventura reffer to it.

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Sound like 9/11 any body?
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excellent quote, dM. And both our presidents (re previous discussion) used the tactic flawlessly... does work every time, doesn't it? :D

i know america does not equal the white house - heck, there ain't no nation in the world where all the people agree with all the political decisions made by the government. politics generally make me feel uneasy - in so many ways. I was reading a novel about Afghanistan recently - Khaled Hosseini's 'The Kite Runner' - describing Afghanistan the way it was before the Russians invaded it - then during the invasion - then when the fundamentalist Taliban 'liberated it' - how the people cheered before they realised one horror was replaced with another - and then finally after the Taliban system was overthrown..... with the country still in shards, and unlikely to get better any time soon...

funny, when I think Afghanistan I imagine a desolate wasteland peppered with gun-toting fundamentalists, the occasional poppy field. and yet as recently as the late '70's, it wasn't like that at all. same with Serbia - maybe in a less drastic sense, but the country I was born in seems a million miles away from the one I'm in now - not a shred of it is left - and I'm only 29....

frightening forces.
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War has become a means for nations to dispose of their most violent citizens & humble those on the edge of insanity in a way that allows everyone to keep their dignity.
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excellent quote, dM. And both our presidents (re previous discussion) used the tactic flawlessly... does work every time, doesn't it? :D

It's unfortunate, but it does seem to have worked for some notorious leaders...and some on the 'right' side of history too.
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...same with Serbia - maybe in a less drastic sense, but the country I was born in seems a million miles away from the one I'm in now - not a shred of it is left - and I'm only 29...

:shock: That's crazy that you wrote that! My son and I were looking at his atlas the other day and I was looking at eastern Europe thinking, "Wow things have changed". Heh.



joebert: Is that your quote? It's pretty cool.
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I think I found it in a fortune cookie or something. :scratchhead:
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Did you ever get a fortune cookie that said "Help! I'm trapped in a fortune cookie factory, call the police!" That would be flipping awesome.
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Man, this election has become a spectacle. It's bizzare. The nasties have come out on both sides. Maybe the debates will give this election some dignity, but I doubt it.

I can't believe the Feds are taking over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and it's only been a footnote, news-wise.

I may vote absentee and just not watch the tv for 2 months. :)
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All the election news is getting a little old and annoying, it is always the first half of every news show on the major networks. Kinda makes me glad I don't have cable anymore.
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comicracy wrote:
Whats wrong with drilling in Alaska, you do realize how small the projected area in ANWR is?Look here for a comparision map. Or would you rather continue to rely on throat cutters to produce and sell us our oil while China drills off the coast. I like the lady she's a tough chick, going after corruption her own party is a good indication she doesn't mess around.


When you put it like that it seems like a good idea, it gets the whole "We can take care of ourselves !" mentality going.

The problem is that it really doesn't solve anything, it's a temporary fix that will eventually lead to expanding the area once supply there falls short, which completely negates the whole "Oh it's only a small area" argument.
It also detracts from better alternatives.

She's right on with natural gas, but drilling for oil is taking a flying leap backwards.


If you listen to what McCain and Palin both say, it is meant as a temporary measure only. It's to tide us over until alternate fuels can become refined to the point of being ubiquitous. They both admit that research and development into alternate fuels is necessary for the future of this (and every other) country. The movement to alternate fuels is not something that could possibly occur overnight, it's a time-consuming and research intensive process that will take years to reach fruition.
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This issue of drilling is always presented as an all or nothing notion. This issue is huge and complex.

Oil discovery and extraction isn't as simple as turning on a spigot. Finding oil, extracting it, transporting it and refining it does, in fact, come with environmental impacts and concerns. There are VERY powerful political interests across the globe, and in the U.S., who have a great deal riding on oil. They're not going to give it all up to be good greenies. Companies can not simply be given carte blanche to stick a hole in the ground and park a derrick wherever they please.

I don't think the scope and intricacies of the problem can be sloganized, or even easily summarized for that matter.

There's no doubt in my mind that drilling will expand. It is completely logical to increase domestic production to combat dependence. There will be legislation to expand drilling and it will be a hairy, nasty, highly controversial load of verbiage complete with pork. There's going to be language about penalties for polluters, taxes, regulations, production limits, etc. There will be competition between states, like Alaska, to maximize their output even if it means risking other resources like wildlife preserves - because those states are going to do everything they can to get the money, jobs and power that comes with oil production. Getting legislation written and signed off on by the executive branch could take a long time. In the end, there will be no resemblance to the "our way or the highway" rhetoric of political campaigns.

After that there will still be a gap of 5 to 10 years before production makes an impact on supply.

On the alternative energy front, finding Technology-X won't be the only concern, IMO. That's only one aspect of the larger problem.

If we limit ourselves to only talking about automobiles, then the Tech-X cars have to be designed, built and sold to a population of people willing to buy them. Instead of GAS stations, there will need to be Tech-X stations. There will need to be a service industry that can repair and maintain Tech-X cars. A large number of ancillary industries will be affected.

Thoroughly propagating alternative energies could conceivably take generations.

But we're not only talking about energy for cars. We're also talking about a variety of products that are petroleum based. Things that are well ingrained in our economies and cultures.

The extremists on both side of this issue do it and us a disservice by trying to marginalize and manipulate our understanding of the problem. I'm a little tired of one side trying to put fear in my head while the opposition tries to cram sunshine up my arse.
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Mr OBrien wrote:
Sound like 9/11 any body?

From right now, it might in 2 hours :lol:
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Bogey wrote:
Mr OBrien wrote:
Sound like 9/11 any body?

From right now, it might in 2 hours :lol:

Haha thanks for pointing that out bogey, I only realized what you were actually saying when I looked at my desk clock just now ...
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There was so little else that his competitors could say against Obama that Biden was just grasping the obvious point of Obama's youth and newness when trying to elevate his own claim to political experience. well i just based it to a video clip that i saw earlier in pollclash, The first clip is just sound bites under media pressure to diss one another during a loaded political debate. The other clip shows a more extensive, personal reaction, response and opinion of Obama when Joe is not touting his own cause. It's all politics but I believe the second "shirtsleeve" clip is more honest and fairminded. well you can see the clip here http://pollclash.com/?id=166
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pastelGIRL: Are you having a discussion with anyone in particular?

Please don't just paste random things. Take part in the conversation or move on. :thumbsup:
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I vote for 1 . With his past record very probable :P ..
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Well, this was a heated debate. I hope the holy Obama and the All-righteous Palin were here to debate with us as well.
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The Holy Obama? The All-Righteous Palin? :lol:

//Here's an interesting quote to chew on. This is from John McCain's health care plan...

http://www.contingencies.org/septoct08/mccain.pdf

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Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
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That's downright terrifying dM.

I think I'm going to be sick, not now, but if this goes through.
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"As we have done with the last decade of banking..." Give me a break. Competition my butt, they are all buying each other out at a dirt cheap price, relatively speaking of course.
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Make a poll. I'd vote number 2
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susanqy2 wrote:
Make a poll. I'd vote number 2

There is a poll ... just scroll all the way up with this page ...

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