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Guns, are they good or bad?

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Post September 20th, 2010, 9:34 pm

Do you think that guns are good or bad?

Here are some (Well, 31,000+) comments on whether the guns are good or bad

Here is the actual blog post that they are talking about.


Being a gun enthusiast I say that guns are okay, but also realizing the danger that guns are prone to do. It should be prohibited from all places except the parks where you hunt or other hunting places, NRA meetings and places, and other places where the group has to get governmental permission to allow guns. That would be really good, if everyone, and I mean everyone would obey that law.

The current law about guns only prohibits concealment of a weapon. If you are wearing a gun on you, you have to have it showing so everyone would see it (At least I think that's what it is... it might be ancient already lol. Anyone here knows otherwise?).

The problem with that control is that there is someone prone to break the rule. To some, rules are meant to be broken, especially if they are in psychic raging mode. (I consider that to mean extremely angry to the point of hating everyone and doing something about it... like shooting people).

To counteract the possibility of someone bringing a weapon and shooting everyone (even if it is against the law), the pro-gun people say that everyone should be able to have a gun on them wherever they go, so that whenever that situation strikes, that the victims (or to-be victims) would be able to fight back and stop the shooting before it becomes a mass killing.

An alternative that I feel would be effective to prevent mass-murder from happening in gun-prohibited places like a school or a hospital is to increase security measures. Like metal detectors, video cameras in all public places (minus restrooms and locker rooms... that would be wrong wrong WRONG!), and better security personnel in public buildings.

An armed figure of authority always present and visible to everyone in public places is sure to make every to-be murdered think twice before taking out that gun.

I also don't think that there is any reason for people to be carrying guns in public places, like streets and places like that... there are no bears to be hunting or targets to be shot at in downtown or in a city (unless you are going to some gun club).

Even if the weapon is unconcealed, it is not needed in public places, but then again, it's back to the dilemma that there are people who do stupid things like I said before. There IS no need for weapons to be carried in public places, but there are people who take this fact to kill people in mass numbers.

Government won't be able to stop everyone from abusing guns with gun control laws. In fact, if a government imposes gun control laws, then the good abiding citizens (which outnumbers that bad abiding citizens in my opinion) will obey the law, but it takes one bad person to kill 50+ people.

If in that scenario (when the bad person kills 50+ people) there was no law limiting the use of gun, then there would have being a good person having a gun on hand who would have being able to cripple the bad person's shooting hand (or something to that effect), and the number of people dead could be (5-10)... that's 5-10x less people dead.

My opinion about guns is that it's good if it is used the right way. The right way being to hunt. That is the only real reason for a gun. Survival, it's in everybody's and every living being's instinct.

Wars and murders are not a good use of any gun, but having a war is century old but still not overrated and murders happen all the time... since Adam and Eve days (Cain killed Able).

So, what is your take on this issue? Is this even an issue? Are you for guns or anti-guns?
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Post September 20th, 2010, 9:34 pm

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Post September 21st, 2010, 12:47 am

I have this ominous feeling that discussions about guns have lead to more injuries than guns themselves have. :lol:

I don't like guns, they treat symptoms instead of problems. There's really no logical reason for guns to exist in this day and age. We've got video games for sport and modern farming that eliminates the need to hunt.

I'm fine with talking about guns online, but I tend to distance myself from anyone with a gun in person. Ever since the whole Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face incident guns just make me that much more nervous.
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Post September 21st, 2010, 6:45 am

I haven't read through this yet, but I will sometime today I'm sure. Just saw this and wonder why you brought it up ;) then.

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Post September 21st, 2010, 4:38 pm

Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.
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Post September 21st, 2010, 5:21 pm

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Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.


Given the same exact people in the same situation, the only difference being that in one scenario a person is holding a gun and in the other scenario the person is holding nothing, you're going to end up with different outcomes. Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.
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Post September 21st, 2010, 5:52 pm

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Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.

I don't think "gun" is the differentiating component here. Any weapon would make that statement true. A knife, baseball bat, hot iron, or even a person trained in hand-to-hand combat would be dangerous. The fact that the weapon happens to be a gun doesn't make the gun inherently worse.
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Post September 21st, 2010, 7:47 pm

For the sake of argument spork, how about you and I have a duel. You start with a knife and I will start with a gun. Do you feel that either one of us has any sort of advantage ?

Another thing to consider here, is that things like knives have practical uses. Guns are like our generations stone spear, there's really no practical reason to have a gun now.
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 7:09 am

The whole pro gun\anti gun argument is dumb. I hunt so I own a couple rifles. But I don't own a hand gun or feel the need to carry one around with me where ever I go. Up here in NW Montana you see a lot of people packing heat in public and they generally look like they came from the shallow end of the gene pool. Carrying a weapon is more of a fashion statement than anything else.
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 9:53 am

The only reason anyone would own guns is for hunting and sport.

I would like to go shoot targets some day, not to do anything bigger afterwords, but more for the fun and to see how good at aiming I am.

I'd also would like to go hunting for fun and food.


What got me started on this topic is reading about guns and remembering that there were some mass killing involved a gun. I guess if guns were unavailable, that person, being in the same state of mind, might have used a different tool as a weapon, like a knife or something.
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 10:02 am

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For the sake of argument spork, how about you and I have a duel. You start with a knife and I will start with a gun. Do you feel that either one of us has any sort of advantage ?

Another thing to consider here, is that things like knives have practical uses. Guns are like our generations stone spear, there's really no practical reason to have a gun now.

Of course you have an advantage. Let's say we're both stranded in the woods (separately), and we're both attacked one of the scariest things I've ever seen. I have a knife, you have a gun. In this case, I think we'd both want the situation to end in serious injury... to the bear.
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 10:02 am

The biggest thing to remember is what they teach in gun safety classes: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. That means the gun didn't shoot itself, someone pulled the trigger. Sometimes its accidental or because the person was being unsafe on purpose, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to have guns if they aren't going to handle them properly or safely. And as far as carrying a gun for self defense, those people are just paranoid anti government conspiracy theory whack jobs. I'd like to ask one of them sometimes if they've ever had to use their side arm to protect themselves and I bet 97 times out of 100 the answer would be no. Then I would ask him if there was a time when he needed his gun for defense but didn't have it, and if he answers yes I'll ask him how he got out of there alive without his gun. If he didn't need it then does he really need it now?
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 11:04 am

I have no problem with people owning a gun. But I think there needs to be stricter laws to get a gun.
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Post September 22nd, 2010, 11:16 am

I agree with that.
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Post September 23rd, 2010, 9:59 am

joebert wrote:
webmaster[+-] wrote:
Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.


Given the same exact people in the same situation, the only difference being that in one scenario a person is holding a gun and in the other scenario the person is holding nothing, you're going to end up with different outcomes. Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.


If a person is decided to take it that far she/he may do it later with some other tool...
With that kind of logic you could also blame a rock or empty glass bottle for being there... just no offense. :)
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Post September 23rd, 2010, 10:43 am

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If a person is decided to take it that far she/he may do it later with some other tool...
With that kind of logic you could also blame a rock or empty glass bottle for being there... just no offense. :)

With a gun you can shoot someone when you are a fair distance away, with a bottle, you have to be close to do that. Most people are able to dodge a bottle since it's not going like 700 m/s. A bullet, no one can dodge (As far as I know :shock: ).

I'm beginning to think that guns are bad... I voted that they're good.
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