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Guns, are they good or bad?

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Do you think that guns are good or bad?

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Being a gun enthusiast I say that guns are okay, but also realizing the danger that guns are prone to do. It should be prohibited from all places except the parks where you hunt or other hunting places, NRA meetings and places, and other places where the group has to get governmental permission to allow guns. That would be really good, if everyone, and I mean everyone would obey that law.

The current law about guns only prohibits concealment of a weapon. If you are wearing a gun on you, you have to have it showing so everyone would see it (At least I think that's what it is... it might be ancient already lol. Anyone here knows otherwise?).

The problem with that control is that there is someone prone to break the rule. To some, rules are meant to be broken, especially if they are in psychic raging mode. (I consider that to mean extremely angry to the point of hating everyone and doing something about it... like shooting people).

To counteract the possibility of someone bringing a weapon and shooting everyone (even if it is against the law), the pro-gun people say that everyone should be able to have a gun on them wherever they go, so that whenever that situation strikes, that the victims (or to-be victims) would be able to fight back and stop the shooting before it becomes a mass killing.

An alternative that I feel would be effective to prevent mass-murder from happening in gun-prohibited places like a school or a hospital is to increase security measures. Like metal detectors, video cameras in all public places (minus restrooms and locker rooms... that would be wrong wrong WRONG!), and better security personnel in public buildings.

An armed figure of authority always present and visible to everyone in public places is sure to make every to-be murdered think twice before taking out that gun.

I also don't think that there is any reason for people to be carrying guns in public places, like streets and places like that... there are no bears to be hunting or targets to be shot at in downtown or in a city (unless you are going to some gun club).

Even if the weapon is unconcealed, it is not needed in public places, but then again, it's back to the dilemma that there are people who do stupid things like I said before. There IS no need for weapons to be carried in public places, but there are people who take this fact to kill people in mass numbers.

Government won't be able to stop everyone from abusing guns with gun control laws. In fact, if a government imposes gun control laws, then the good abiding citizens (which outnumbers that bad abiding citizens in my opinion) will obey the law, but it takes one bad person to kill 50+ people.

If in that scenario (when the bad person kills 50+ people) there was no law limiting the use of gun, then there would have being a good person having a gun on hand who would have being able to cripple the bad person's shooting hand (or something to that effect), and the number of people dead could be (5-10)... that's 5-10x less people dead.

My opinion about guns is that it's good if it is used the right way. The right way being to hunt. That is the only real reason for a gun. Survival, it's in everybody's and every living being's instinct.

Wars and murders are not a good use of any gun, but having a war is century old but still not overrated and murders happen all the time... since Adam and Eve days (Cain killed Able).

So, what is your take on this issue? Is this even an issue? Are you for guns or anti-guns?
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I have this ominous feeling that discussions about guns have lead to more injuries than guns themselves have. :lol:

I don't like guns, they treat symptoms instead of problems. There's really no logical reason for guns to exist in this day and age. We've got video games for sport and modern farming that eliminates the need to hunt.

I'm fine with talking about guns online, but I tend to distance myself from anyone with a gun in person. Ever since the whole Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face incident guns just make me that much more nervous.
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I haven't read through this yet, but I will sometime today I'm sure. Just saw this and wonder why you brought it up ;) then.

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Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.
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webmaster[+-] wrote:
Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.


Given the same exact people in the same situation, the only difference being that in one scenario a person is holding a gun and in the other scenario the person is holding nothing, you're going to end up with different outcomes. Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.
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Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.

I don't think "gun" is the differentiating component here. Any weapon would make that statement true. A knife, baseball bat, hot iron, or even a person trained in hand-to-hand combat would be dangerous. The fact that the weapon happens to be a gun doesn't make the gun inherently worse.
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For the sake of argument spork, how about you and I have a duel. You start with a knife and I will start with a gun. Do you feel that either one of us has any sort of advantage ?

Another thing to consider here, is that things like knives have practical uses. Guns are like our generations stone spear, there's really no practical reason to have a gun now.
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The whole pro gun\anti gun argument is dumb. I hunt so I own a couple rifles. But I don't own a hand gun or feel the need to carry one around with me where ever I go. Up here in NW Montana you see a lot of people packing heat in public and they generally look like they came from the shallow end of the gene pool. Carrying a weapon is more of a fashion statement than anything else.
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The only reason anyone would own guns is for hunting and sport.

I would like to go shoot targets some day, not to do anything bigger afterwords, but more for the fun and to see how good at aiming I am.

I'd also would like to go hunting for fun and food.


What got me started on this topic is reading about guns and remembering that there were some mass killing involved a gun. I guess if guns were unavailable, that person, being in the same state of mind, might have used a different tool as a weapon, like a knife or something.
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For the sake of argument spork, how about you and I have a duel. You start with a knife and I will start with a gun. Do you feel that either one of us has any sort of advantage ?

Another thing to consider here, is that things like knives have practical uses. Guns are like our generations stone spear, there's really no practical reason to have a gun now.

Of course you have an advantage. Let's say we're both stranded in the woods (separately), and we're both attacked one of the scariest things I've ever seen. I have a knife, you have a gun. In this case, I think we'd both want the situation to end in serious injury... to the bear.
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The biggest thing to remember is what they teach in gun safety classes: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. That means the gun didn't shoot itself, someone pulled the trigger. Sometimes its accidental or because the person was being unsafe on purpose, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to have guns if they aren't going to handle them properly or safely. And as far as carrying a gun for self defense, those people are just paranoid anti government conspiracy theory whack jobs. I'd like to ask one of them sometimes if they've ever had to use their side arm to protect themselves and I bet 97 times out of 100 the answer would be no. Then I would ask him if there was a time when he needed his gun for defense but didn't have it, and if he answers yes I'll ask him how he got out of there alive without his gun. If he didn't need it then does he really need it now?
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I have no problem with people owning a gun. But I think there needs to be stricter laws to get a gun.
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I agree with that.
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joebert wrote:
webmaster[+-] wrote:
Guns are not good or bad, guns are only tools. People that use them are good and bad.


Given the same exact people in the same situation, the only difference being that in one scenario a person is holding a gun and in the other scenario the person is holding nothing, you're going to end up with different outcomes. Assuming the person who would be holding the gun takes action in both scenarios, the scenario with the gun is almost always going to end in serious injury, whereas the scenario with nobody holding anything is almost never going to end in serious injury.


If a person is decided to take it that far she/he may do it later with some other tool...
With that kind of logic you could also blame a rock or empty glass bottle for being there... just no offense. :)
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If a person is decided to take it that far she/he may do it later with some other tool...
With that kind of logic you could also blame a rock or empty glass bottle for being there... just no offense. :)

With a gun you can shoot someone when you are a fair distance away, with a bottle, you have to be close to do that. Most people are able to dodge a bottle since it's not going like 700 m/s. A bullet, no one can dodge (As far as I know :shock: ).

I'm beginning to think that guns are bad... I voted that they're good.
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:lol: I was thinking about that when I was posting that. I guess I'm wrong again :D
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I think the poll should be.. "Are Gun Laws good or bad?"

Gun Laws only affect Good People. Bad People don't care what the Laws are.
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jflynn wrote:
I think the poll should be.. "Are Gun Laws good or bad?"

Gun Laws only affect Good People. Bad People don't care what the Laws are.

That is what I believe as well. I guess if you read my post you would probably see that in my post.

I primarily was thinking about guns and not the laws to be the topic of this postmbut I see that the laws governing the use and accessibility to the guns would have probably being a better idea... I can't edit my original post now, but that pertains to guns so that is part of this topic.

I personally don't think gun laws do much (except for the ones that governs the accessibility of it) since (like you said) that it's only for good people since those are the ones who actuallly follow them. Bad people ignore them, but making guns batsmen reach would make gujs hard to feach for 'some' people. Other people might have connections or find a way around the law.
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jflynn wrote:
I think the poll should be.. "Are Gun Laws good or bad?"

Gun Laws only affect Good People. Bad People don't care what the Laws are.


I've seen bumper stickers that say "If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns." I think pretty soon it might be "If you outlaw masturbating, then only the outlaws will masturbate." How does Christine O'Donnell really plan on enforcing that law if she gets elected and actually manages to have that made into a law?
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I don't have the privilege in my country to go to a gas station and buy a gun ( i mean a real one). Here only authorities are allowed to wear , shot and own a gun ... i am not saying is a good or bad thing , but i would really like to know how is to go hunting for real :) not blank , not C0²..
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I own the largest firearm website in the Northwest. I think you guys can figure out how I voted ;)
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By virtue of the fact that guns are inanimate objects there is no possible way they can be good or bad. Being good or bad ties directly back to being able to actively decide on the action you going to take.

I often marvel at how people will ban guns but knives are never to be banned, large woodden beams, baseball bats, bricks, rocks, cars, trucks or anything that has the capacity to kill is left alone. Is it because they have a purpose other than destroying a target? Knives are far more dangerous than guns with in 7 meters of a target if the fire is holstered. Most law enforcement officers get killed with in 0-6 meters by knives. Knives never run out of ammunition and cut through bone and tissue. Knives are easier to conceal and get rid of but ban the guns though ;)

I am willing to state that should a "bad" guy have a gun you are gonna wish that a good guy also has one.

As for dodging bullets, well Bogey, you can actually. Let us talk hypothetically for a second. A knife with a 12cm blade has a lethal area of? You guessed it 12cm, 2cm of which is all that is require to hack open your juggular, femoral or any other major blood vessels. A general swing of any knife (check out your favourite steak knife or bread knife) could in likely hood take off fingers or leave a rather unsitely gash in ones flesh.

Now on the other hand lets take a commonly used handgun caliber. 9mm. This is the diameter of the bullet head. 9mm to hit the target. Add the recoil from discharging the weapon and you start getting a great deal of time to move out of the way. 9mm is also the caliber used in the MP5 automatic sub machine gun.

So if you ask me to take my chances against 9mm bullet or a 12cm blade, I am gonna go for the bullet thank you very much and don't argue about range because if you are standing 50m out and someone takes a shot at you, you need to ask why you were there. Most self defense shootings happen with in 7m, the effective range of the knife.

Anyways, having done CQC and recently having started Systema I think the whole world needs to catch a wake up and stop blaming weapons for death. There is only one thing that makes a weapon dangerous and that is a man. Confiscating them will not work, you make your civilians targets for violent crimes.

That being said, I think the real question is this. Are human beings good or bad?

P.S. Please note that I have not included assault rifles or high power rifles. Those fall into a whole new game.
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A knife you can dodge no matter what... the knives aren't moving at 500 feet per second. It gives you a moment to dodge and disarm the opponent. A bullet though travels at 500 f/s if not more, and you are telling me you can dodge that?

You can't... you are relying on the opponent missing the target, or hitting a non-major spot on your body... that would be lucky, not skill.

There are ways you can disarm your opponent in a knife fight with or without a knife... there is no way to dodge a bullet except for the opponent missing you or you wearing the riot shield (or something to that effect).

But I agree with you that it's not the gun but the human being that makes the result good or bad out of the gun. The gun is just an inanimate object with no thoughts to be bad or good. I guess I didn't initiate the correct topic to yield a more fruitful discussion, but I think that it is turning there so it's all good.

I wonder what psychological mindset or what makes the person react in the way he/she does with a gun.
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A knife you can dodge no matter what... the knives aren't moving at 500 feet per second. It gives you a moment to dodge and disarm the opponent. A bullet though travels at 500 f/s if not more, and you are telling me you can dodge that?

There are ways you can disarm your opponent in a knife fight with or without a knife... there is no way to dodge a bullet except for the opponent missing you or you wearing the riot shield (or something to that effect).

I know this is going to sound silly but the idea made me completely chance how I viewed the threat of a knife.

Put on some crappy jeans and a tshirt and give your friend a red Sharpie. Tell him/her to "attack" you with the marker as if it were a knife. The "fight" stops if you can successfully restrain you friend or you give up.

Afterwards, look for all the red marks on your body and clothes. Each one of those is a cut or gash; a spot from which you are bleeding out. Even a few well-placed nicks are enough to make it life-threatening.
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Ok, how do you do something like that but relevant to guns?
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You're missing the point.
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You can kill people with forks and baseball bats but those aren't banned any where. Its all in your intentions and how you use it, it can either be a tool or a weapon. I'm a hunter, so my rifle is a tool. But if you go out and buy a shotgun and cut it down really short so that it is easier to move around tight corners and stuff then you are intending to use it as a weapon and that is when it starts getting bad.
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Even though it's fun to use them as a hobby, I believe it's just obvious that they are bad. Anything that is made to kill people is bad.
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So you are saying that the reason for a creation of a tool is what makes it good/bad?


According to what you said, knives are usually made to cut food, but could be used to cut people, but since its made to cut food than it's ok.

The gun is made to kill so it's bad.
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You can kill people with forks and baseball bats but those aren't banned any where. Its all in your intentions and how you use it, it can either be a tool or a weapon. I'm a hunter, so my rifle is a tool. But if you go out and buy a shotgun and cut it down really short so that it is easier to move around tight corners and stuff then you are intending to use it as a weapon and that is when it starts getting bad.


Forks and baseball bats aren't made to kill or hurt people, guns are, that's a big difference. I'm not saying I'm against guns since humans always find something to hurt each other with and we need to protect ourselves and our loved ones but saying that guns are not bad is a bit weird imo.
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Forks and baseball bats aren't made to kill or hurt people, guns are, that's a big difference.

Yes, but forks and baseballs are still used to hurt people... maybe I'm just missing your point... I seem to be good at that :lol:
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If something is made with bad intentions that makes it a bad thing :)
Also what good things can you do with guns, honestly?
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Hunt animals for food, entertain...
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I personally think guns are an avoidable evil.

Yes, guns can be used for hunting, but there are many other ways to hunt. Nets, bows, knives,...etc. I don't believe in hunting either. There are plenty of ways to obtain food, other than hunting now-a-days(if you don't live in a third world country), but that isn't the issue being discussed.

Guns just lead to problems. I mean just look at the statistics(tried to post a link, but not authorized to...google ftw).

I think guns should be outlawed worldwide. Yes, it would take a huge amount of work and time to get rid of almost all the guns in the world (there's always gonna be someone that can make them, and will make them), but I think it's something that should be implemented. Start on it NOW, so we can be safer tomorrow.

Here's a little story about something that happened to me recently:

I was driving down the road with my friend and I saw a person with their gas tank left open. When we came to a red light I told my friend I was going to get out really quick and let the person know. Before I was able to my friend said, "NO, don't get out of your car and walk up to their window. I've heard stories of people getting shot for walking up to someone's car window."

That fear of being shot, even though I didn't fully believe I would be shot, for walking up to the person's car to tell them their gas tank was open, or even shutting it really quickly for them, stopped me from doing so.
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Sterweber- It isn't the guns fault that people use it to kill other people. Like they say: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun can't pull its own trigger is what I'm getting at. In the right hands a gun is a tool, kind of like vice grips or a pocket knife. And a pocket knife can kill people too, accidentally or on purpose, its all in how its being used and what the person's intentions are. I think if we regulate it and make it so that violent criminals cannot get guns, and make the penalty harsh if they ever do, then we can find a good middle ground.
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I agree with kc0tma... stricter laws wouldn't stop criminals from being criminals and abusing guns, but the punishment would have them think twice (if it's harsh enough) before actually abusing the guns.

Also, people are wrong to think that if there were no guns then there would be world peace or something to that effect. Think about it... most people died from arrows and broadswords then from guns.

Look at the statistics

The only modern thing that I recognize there is the World War 2 and that's because of the Atom Bomb and the Jews.
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Bogey wrote:
I agree with kc0tma... stricter laws wouldn't stop criminals from being criminals and abusing guns, but the punishment would have them think twice (if it's harsh enough) before actually abusing the guns.

Also, people are wrong to think that if there were no guns then there would be world peace or something to that effect. Think about it... most people died from arrows and broadswords then from guns.

Look at the statistics

The only modern thing that I recognize there is the World War 2 and that's because of the Atom Bomb and the Jews.


So someone who obtains a gun illegally with the intent of causing harm, would be more worried that they might get a stronger slap on the wrist for possessing a gun... versus committing homicide with said weapon? Negative. Besides, at least here int he states 'punishment' is defined differently throughout the republic. Each state defines what the transgressor will receive as punishment.

Gun laws do nothing but keep guns out of the hands of the individuals who rightfully and lawfully desire to possess them. If I want a 'drop gun' I can get one on any city street for a hundred bucks. Even those countries which have draconian gun laws, it's quite simple to obtain them if you know where to go.

If a person's intent is to do harm, then they will do harm regardless of the tools available at one's disposal.
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Gun laws do nothing but keep guns out of the hands of the individuals who rightfully and lawfully desire to possess them. If I want a 'drop gun' I can get one on any city street for a hundred bucks. Even those countries which have draconian gun laws, it's quite simple to obtain them if you know where to go.

If a person's intent is to do harm, then they will do harm regardless of the tools available at one's disposal.


Thats exactly the point I was getting at.
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I find it ironically amusing that the Percussion Cap was invented by a preacher. (considering the good versus evil debate)
http://www.silcom.com/~vikman/isles/scr ... ssion.html

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Guns are neither god nor bad on their own. Depends upon their usage. If you use them to protect yourself, they're good but if you use them to kill innocent people, that's bad obviously.
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I like shooting, I think it's a cool sport. But the problem is that 90% of the people I know I wouldn't trust with a firearm. People manage to hurt themselves in all sorts of weird ways with kitchen knives and pliers and doors and screwdrivers. And I think that more people get hurt from friendly fire (accidents, clumsiness) than from someone actually trying to attack them with a gun on purpose. People, sadly, are dumb. For that reason I'd say it's fine to shoot guns in a controlled environment, such as firing a few rounds off into a target at the shooting range, but walking around with a gun or having one in your home where your kid can get at it and maim themselves or a friend for life is just asking for trouble.

Just a few days ago we had a story in the paper where a kid had got hold of his dad's gun and was showing off to his friend and fumbled with the thing and shot the friend through the chest. The kid may yet survive, but jeez.

Also having a gun doesn't mean you're an awesome shot - the scenario where a maniac goes crazy and starts shooting people and then a random passer-by shoots the maniac's gun straight out of his hand and saves the day is sort of Die Hard material. In real life the guy trying to be a hero would be just as likely to hurt three other innocent people while trying to take down the mad gunman.
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Also I've read somewhere that people who own firearms in the house are more likely to get shot during robberies and such. If you have no gun, someone comes in and holds you up, you're probably gonna say 'fine man, take the tv, take whatever you want, don't hurt my family', and more than half the time they are gonna leave you alone. Not every criminal is casual about shooting people. If you have a gun though, you are more likely to get into a shooting match, and then either side has far higher risks of getting hurt. And that includes you and your kids.
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Also I've read somewhere that people who own firearms in the house are more likely to get shot during robberies and such. If you have no gun, someone comes in and holds you up, you're probably gonna say 'fine man, take the tv, take whatever you want, don't hurt my family', and more than half the time they are gonna leave you alone. Not every criminal is casual about shooting people. If you have a gun though, you are more likely to get into a shooting match, and then either side has far higher risks of getting hurt. And that includes you and your kids.

That is a very good point... but that doesn't mean necessarily that you have a gun, just that the robber knows that you have the gun and while the robbery is in progress. If though, the robber knows that you have a gun before actually robbing the place, the chance that an armed person would be robbed is reduced significantly in my opinion.
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Celandine (I thought you were living on a tropical island somewhere) has some good points. I live in a rural part of Montana and it is not uncommon to see people carrying pistols into grocery stores and restaurants and such, and a lot of businesses have even put up signs that say no guns allowed in which case the person has to obey. But most of the people carrying them around look like they might be a little bit trigger happy and I am a little nervous around them.

There is a good side to having everyone armed though, about a year and a half ago when we moved into our house the gas station across the street got robbed. The two guys both had guns, and so did the other non-criminal people in the building. No shots were fired and the good guys wrestled the bad guys to the ground and held them until police arrived.

There is also the good side of guns, and that is good food. Its hunting season in many parts of the country right now including where I live, and I've been pursuing elk and deer but haven't had any luck.....until three days ago! I was on a kind of steep hillside watching a deer about 75 or 80 yards away and when I had a clear shot I took it and it was absolutely perfect, the bullet went through both lungs and the heart and the deer only made it a couple feet away before laying over dead. That was the easy part, then I had about a 2 mile trip to drag the animal down the hill over blown down timber to a road where I left it and then walked about another 2 miles or so to my pickup and drove back to recover it. I got it home and cooled down and butchered it and had a steak for dinner last night, tonight I start the long and tedious job of grinding meat.
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Celandine (I thought you were living on a tropical island somewhere) has some good points. I live in a rural part of Montana and it is not uncommon to see people carrying pistols into grocery stores and restaurants and such, and a lot of businesses have even put up signs that say no guns allowed in which case the person has to obey. But most of the people carrying them around look like they might be a little bit trigger happy and I am a little nervous around them.

There is a good side to having everyone armed though, about a year and a half ago when we moved into our house the gas station across the street got robbed. The two guys both had guns, and so did the other non-criminal people in the building. No shots were fired and the good guys wrestled the bad guys to the ground and held them until police arrived.

There is also the good side of guns, and that is good food. Its hunting season in many parts of the country right now including where I live, and I've been pursuing elk and deer but haven't had any luck.....until three days ago! I was on a kind of steep hillside watching a deer about 75 or 80 yards away and when I had a clear shot I took it and it was absolutely perfect, the bullet went through both lungs and the heart and the deer only made it a couple feet away before laying over dead. That was the easy part, then I had about a 2 mile trip to drag the animal down the hill over blown down timber to a road where I left it and then walked about another 2 miles or so to my pickup and drove back to recover it. I got it home and cooled down and butchered it and had a steak for dinner last night, tonight I start the long and tedious job of grinding meat.


Do you ever make venison jerky? That stuff's delicious.
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I never have but I've got two nice big pieces of flank meat that cleaned up nicely and I have plans to build a small smoker so I might make some.
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oh my goshness!! Bambi is yummy. Best meat I ever had was young deer. It was in Macedonia, the restaurant had green walls and a surprising number of animal carcasses on the walls :D

heh, tropical island I wish!!!! Eastern Europe.
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I like guns, and I am fascinated using them, and some of these that are not really real but look real that I have used, I have never used a real gun.

But I don't think they are good in society, as there are too many crazy people out there and the easier you make it for them to do bad things, the more it will be done. That is true in many things, not just necessarily in guns.

If I see someone on the street at night with a gun, I would be frightened. Not sure about you?.

if I see someone at night with a knife, I would be still frightened but I would run as hell, with a gun I doubt I would have any chance.


So I think there should be a choice in this poll, that would allow guns in certain places, but it is way too complicated to come up with a "yes" or "no" question.

I voted no, because although in some places they would come quite handy. It would be the end of comfort as we know it in some other many places, if guns were literally allowed anywhere. I don't think some people realize how many crazy people are out there, that would shoot you if they had the opportunity, for whatever reason. But the hunting part is good I guess, so it begs the assumption that guns should be allowed in certain places only.


Now on a regular household, having a gun at home for emergency should be allowed maybe only if the gun was really on a safe place and with proper permission, and maybe by locations - some locations might be nominated dangerous and other safer, and out of the reach of anyone who does not have business with it.

But I know some times it is good to have protection if someone crazy wants to get into your house, and you feel impotent at the situation, at least to scare them away. Otherwise it would not be fair to be abused by someone trying to brake into your house.

Now, the constitution gives you the right to bear guns, but I think that was written many years ago, when all there was , was hunting and now things have changed, you have more suburbs places, it will be a tough one to change, knowing the political diagrams

These are my 2 cents.
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Sterweber- It isn't the guns fault that people use it to kill other people. Like they say: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun can't pull its own trigger is what I'm getting at. In the right hands a gun is a tool, kind of like vice grips or a pocket knife. And a pocket knife can kill people too, accidentally or on purpose, its all in how its being used and what the person's intentions are. I think if we regulate it and make it so that violent criminals cannot get guns, and make the penalty harsh if they ever do, then we can find a good middle ground.


LOL. that is like giving candy to kids, and telling them don't eat candy. :lol:

people kill people, but people kill more people when is facilitated even more.

Your point is too old to pass these days, that is like saying, cars don't drive themselves, people drive cars, it is obvious. But if you give cars to more people, you will see more people driving, no? :)
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You're still not getting the point though. It is suppose to be obvious. People bash people's heads in with baseball bats but we don't ban those.
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You're still not getting the point though. It is suppose to be obvious. People bash people's heads in with baseball bats but we don't ban those.


So, are you saying we should ban baseball bats too?, now that is kind of ridiculously. Just about anything can be used as a weapon, doesn't mean everything has to be banned. Tho there are things that are seriously dangerous, as much as guns, nuclear weapons, deceases, viruses, etc. Not that you can ban all that, because you really can't, but as far as where is reasonable, I think it wouldn't be acceptable to let people kill other people, just because hunting is fun for some people. Though it should have limit to where it can apply.

Though if it comes to the case where, an exaggerated amount of people start dieing because baseball bats, supposedly speaking, I believe many will rally to get them banned also. Though we are no where near close that point, so feel free to use your baseball bat, as long you don't kill people with it :D .
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You're still not getting the point though. It is suppose to be obvious. People bash people's heads in with baseball bats but we don't ban those.


So, are you saying we should ban baseball bats too?, now that is kind of ridiculously. Just about anything can be used as a weapon, doesn't mean everything has to be banned.


I'm making my point then ending it because I'm getting the feeling you are looking for an argument. Like you have said, just because something can be used as a weapon doesn't mean it should be banned. We basically are saying the same thing. A baseball bat is a perfectly legal thing and most people wouldn't ever consider banning it if someone used it as a weapon to rob a convenience store, and I see no distinction between one thing and the other. A weapon is a weapon if you use it as a weapon. Now we're done.
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No argument, I am just trying to clarify what you are saying. But unless you don't want any anyone to provide clarification, and just stick with "your guns", then what you are saying makes perfect sense.

No, there is no really yes or no answer to the question obviously, but a middle ground where people who like hunting keep doing their thing, as long doesn't affect others, is very reasonable. But if you can't accept that, and no matter what you want your guns at the cost of others, that is another story, not to be discussed, since you can't possibly accept the reality.

At least where I live, no body uses guns that I know of, except police and very few others, and we have no problems. I am sure if you live in rural area, you love your guns, which is fine. But when it comes down to it, where the wrong people get access to the wrong weapons, is not good news for some, while other are unaffected. I would rather listen to all the inputs, and see where a middle ground could be found, that doesn't get innocent people killed.

So the question, shouldn't be "are guns, good or bad", it should be, "why are guns good at some place, while bad in other places", that way you could make your case, that you love hunting, and that you love guns. While others can tell the case how their family members or friend got killed by someone's gun. 2 different realities, can only get to a middle ground, not to one flat literal answer to it. Also there is hardship in one side of the argument, while the other side is for simply joy.
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The only place I hear of gun abuse is coming from poor families in 'hoods and slums. Now if they can't afford food, how do they afford guns? I'm not being racist here or anything like that, just saying that most of the crime I hear in my place is coming from those kinds of places or people who live/have lived in those kinds of places.

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So the question, shouldn't be "are guns, good or bad", it should be, "why are guns good at some place, while bad in other places", that way you could make your case, that you love hunting, and that you love guns. While others can tell the case how their family members or friend got killed by someone's gun. 2 different realities, can only get to a middle ground, not to one flat literal answer to it. Also there is hardship one one side of the argument, while the other site is for simply joy.

That is a valid point, guns could be good in some places and bad in others, I think I might have said that in my first post (or something related to it). No matter how many laws we have governing the use and possession of guns, bad people will always find a way to get a gun and use it unlawfully.

One way to fight that is to completely remove all access to guns, stop manufacturing them which would mean no wars (at least with guns), and this will stop the use of guns, BUT you know how that would be.

I'm sure even removing the first amendment about guns would only leave good people defenseless while, the bad people more threatening.
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So if you ask me to take my chances against 9mm bullet or a 12cm blade, I am gonna go for the bullet thank you very much and don't argue about range because if you are standing 50m out and someone takes a shot at you, you need to ask why you were there. Most self defense shootings happen with in 7m, the effective range of the knife.

A knife you can run away from, a bullet, you can't. By "dodging" I didn't mean you standing in one spot and dodge the knife... I meant getting away from harm's way. The speed of the knife coming at you while you are running away from it depends on how fast the attacker can run... the speed of the bullet coming at you is way faster then the knife coming at you.

That is why we aren't fighting with swords anymore... we "upgraded" to guns... don't you think?
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The only place I hear of gun abuse is coming from poor families in 'hoods and slums.

It doesn't matter whether they are poor or rich, they are still people, and their vote and lives still counts. That is true in America.

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No matter how many laws we have governing the use and possession of guns, bad people will always find a way to get a gun and use it unlawfully.

That is true, yet making it easier, even more bad people will find more ways to use them.

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One way to fight that is to completely remove all access to guns, stop manufacturing them which would mean no wars (at least with guns), and this will stop the use of guns, BUT you know how that would be.

That is too drastical.

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I'm sure even removing the first amendment about guns would only leave good people defenseless while, the bad people more threatening.

I have to correct you on this, it should be 2nd amendment. And it can't be removed, at least not in the next few decades to come, if it does change, it is going to take a lot


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That is why we aren't fighting with swords anymore... we "upgraded" to guns... don't you think?

Swords would be interesting at this point in time :)
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The only place I hear of gun abuse is coming from poor families in 'hoods and slums.

It doesn't matter whether they are poor or rich, they are still people, and their vote and lives still counts. That is true in America.

I understand that and that is not my argument... please read closer. I said the places I hear about murder coming from guns (crime) comes from those places in the most case in America... I didn't say poop on the poor, I only care about the rich... I said most of the murders I hear about comes from those places.

Their votes and lives still count, yes, I agree and not fighting against that, and I never said they don't count. Please stay on topic.
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For the sake of argument spork, how about you and I have a duel. You start with a knife and I will start with a gun. Do you feel that either one of us has any sort of advantage ?

Another thing to consider here, is that things like knives have practical uses. Guns are like our generations stone spear, there's really no practical reason to have a gun now.


That's funny. lol. How about spork and all these gun lovers dual, joe and myself, you all with your favorite knifes, but we get a semi-automatic full loaded, and there is has to be at least 100 yards distance :lol:

Now that would be a cool dual, see if the knife and the baseball bats surge :lol:, even tho you outnumber us, you would not stand a chance, so there for it makes the the case of using a bat and knife the same as using a gun, invalid. Is like saying, using pillows is the same as using a gun, you can attack also with pillows :D , I am being sarcastic obviously, but funny tho.
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I can throw a mean curve ball.
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I can throw a mean curve ball.

:lol: I'm rooting for you hahaha

No matter how close you are to the gun, it will still be able to kill... whether you are 6cm away from the barrel or a good number of yards away, it will still kill. Knives are also pretty effective... whether you are cutting someone withing some inches away from you, or throwing the knife at someone a couple yards away, but it doesn't beat the gun.

First, throwing the knife and hitting the target requires more skill then pressing the trigger.
Second, you need better aim then shooting since the knife falls at a bigger curve then a bullet does.
Third, the wind is a bigger factor in throwing the knife then in shooting a gun
Fourth, the knife is lighter then the gun... not sure if this is good or bad.
Fifth, the knife is smaller and more compact... which is good.

The knife has it's good points, but it still doesn't beat the gun in my opinion.
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spork and all these gun lovers


When did I become a "gun lover"?
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cjxxi wrote:
spork and all these gun lovers


When did I become a "gun lover"?

Precisely on Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:47 pm [UTC -5] Eastern Standard Time
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I miss EST :(

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