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Post July 29th, 2004, 2:32 am

I just wanted to hear what everyones thoughts are on the militaries upcoming battle suits. They will be released and worn by troops in 2010.

Each suit is specially fitted for each soldier, along with their helmet. They are covered from head to toe in bullet proof material, and their helmet has a complete cover so sand in the eyes is not a problem. The built in lenses of the helmet contain infra red and nightvision. Their is also a built in translator to the helmet that translate anything said by a local national, into English, and whatever the soldier replies back will be in their language.

Once these suits are in place the US Military will be even better, and the loss of life will decrease dramatically. Most ammunition will not harm us anymore no matter where hit.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 2:32 am

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Post July 29th, 2004, 3:01 am

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Post July 29th, 2004, 3:07 am

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Most ammunition will not harm us anymore no matter where hit.
Thats what the said about the tank. Tanks remain more powerful than, say, a hum-vee, but are by no means the invincible, decicive behemoths that they used to be. The enemies of america have 6 years to develop weapons and outline strategies to beat these suits.

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Thats what the said about the tank.
actually, also think about automatic weapons, cannons, muskets, the long bow, plate armour. Any invention that revolutionises warfare will always provide a great advantage for the first people to have/use it. But the dominance is only temporary. Your enemies will catch up.

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Once these suits are in place the US Military will be even better
Thats good to know, but will it be good enough to prevent them shooting down their allies ;)
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Post July 29th, 2004, 4:47 am

Invincible wasn't really to be taken seriously. Just that we are kicking ass. The enemies at the present in the war are wearing turbins and masks. We are in full armor. I doubt they are going to advance much.

And this gear isn't cheap. Many countries cannot afford to have this put in place, and I doubt terrorists would invest in this for the battlefield.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 6:22 am

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Their is also a built in translator to the helmet that translate anything said by a local national, into English, and whatever the soldier replies back will be in their language.


If this is made by M$oft then it will prabably translate everything they say into "Your system is about to Crash" which the American's will take as a threat and start shooting anything that moves!
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Post July 29th, 2004, 6:22 am

...If such technology exists! prObably not!
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Post July 29th, 2004, 7:17 am

smith_zach89 wrote:
I doubt terrorists would invest in this for the battlefield.


terrorists do not fight on a battle feild

you will VERY RARELY enter a firefight with a terrorist

yuor body suit is not going to protect you much at all when you step on a landmine or have a light rocket fired at you



secondly, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BULLET PROOF VEST

there are only flak jackets, desigend to stop high speed shrapnel

any firearm over 50mm will penetrate a flak vest
firearms under 50mm wil penetrate at close range

swo what do I say to your "inpenatrable suit"
they will shoot you in the face and waste a whole bunch of money that could have been spent helping the starving people in your, and other, countries
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Post July 29th, 2004, 7:54 am

What the hell are you implying by helping people in "Your and other countries?" I'm an American serving in Europe.

The war is over. All we are fighting on the battle field IS terrorists. The Iraqi Army is not fighting us, so we are fighting terrorists. The translators are being created, and it is possible.

The material used in this uniform is not the same as your basic jacket. It is new materials designed to stop a high caliber weapon. I do not know the specifics.

I've found out that the suit will be able to allow soldiers to carry 300lbs with little effort due to a new type of skelatel system contained in the suit. There are also artificial muscles in the suit allowing more ease in jumping a wall that could not be jumped by a regular human being. The suit also acts as a seal to prevent inhaling any chemicals during an attack.

You say they will shoot you in the head if they cannot kill you by shooting you in the chest? Have you been in a warzone before? If a head shot is possible it will be taken first. In a war you shoot to kill. You do not shoot to wound. If a vital shot such as the head is open to strike, it will be taken.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 8:24 am

Just out of curiosity, how many soldiers are these going to be issued to, they don't sound like standard issue equipment to me? Have you got any useful links to news on these suits because I'd love to read up on them.


The translators are not currently possible in the way you describe: the number of different languages, differences in dialect, similarities in different languages, words with multiple meanings, emotion, intonation, slang, variations in accent, variations in sex and age; to name but a few problems, make the star trek-esque "universal translator" impractical.

Maybe in 2010 they will have progressed a long way, but I very much doubt it will be that far. Seeing as the top research into voice recognition struggle to get it to work with english spoken in a glasgow accent, I don't think "every language" is going to happen any time soon.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 8:28 am

Alright. I correct myself. Not every language, but most basic lanaguages will be covered in it.

The suits will be issued to every soldier by 2025. In 2010 only a small percentage will be wearing them.

Just run a search for "New Military Battle Suits." You will get plenty of information and pictures on these suits.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 8:34 am

Hey Zack Smith,
Yes exoskeletons are possible and all that technology is available and yes the americans will spend half a million each on a soldier just so they can say they have the most advanced troops in the world.
BUT
do the maths
2 million us =4 redneck supersoldiers who still cant shoot
2 million us =10,000 terrorists/soldiers with RPGs
I know who im putting my money on.
Just like the F22
20% more effective than the eurofighter at air to air but it cant do ground attack and its twice the cost.
Supersoldier armour isn't very smart.
Exoskeleton gives you power but you sacrifice mobility and flexibility,(and it requires engineers and generates a very large thermal and radar signature, etc etc)
Yes you can develop armour to stop high calibre bullets but it weighs a ton and makes you a very big target.
Not Smart.
As for taking a head shot first.its kinda hard when there is a *plum* of incomming fire from a dozen langers with aks from 400 meters
but it would probably be easier if its only 1 supersoldier with *peach* all peripheral vision because of his high tech armour.

Bottom line supersoldier stuff dosnt work.
Just gives the enemy fewer bigger targets.
Ps I still think the translators wont work properly and I would love to know where you are supposed to be serving in europe and how much combat you have seen, and your website dosnt work properly.

Anyway have a nice day and dont forget to floss.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 9:55 am

all that our government is trying to do with these new suits is to try to prevent the loss of AMERICAN lives while fighting for other countries freedom!!!! ok would you like to be a woman in iraq and get raped while walking down thestreet by Uday or Qusay just because they are the "Presidents" sons? that doesnt seem too right...how aout knowing that if you say one thing bad about Saddam that you will be killed for it by his army...not only you but your entire family would have been killed. my brother is in Khandahar and my uncle is in Baghdad (i believe he is still there) but im proud of both of them being there and of all of the other Americans and any other country that is in a battle for another countries freedom! (i know i went a lil off topic but it says the reasoning behind the idea of the suit to my knowledge)
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Post July 29th, 2004, 2:01 pm

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all that our government is trying to do with these new suits is to try to prevent the loss of AMERICAN lives while fighting for other countries freedom!!!! ok would you like to be a woman in iraq and get raped while walking down thestreet by Uday or Qusay just because they are the "Presidents" sons? that doesnt seem too right...how aout knowing that if you say one thing bad about Saddam that you will be killed for it by his army...not only you but your entire family would have been killed. my brother is in Khandahar and my uncle is in Baghdad (i believe he is still there) but im proud of both of them being there and of all of the other Americans and any other country that is in a battle for another countries freedom! (i know i went a lil off topic but it says the reasoning behind the idea of the suit to my knowledge)




Spending billions to keep americans safe? What about the Iraqi civilians? How many 1000s have died to make them safe? 1,300 just in april (Figures here) There have been less that 1000 americans killed in Iraq since we went there to look for WMD. Iraq still doesnt have a good supply of water or power, and hasnt since we went there under the first Bush. Stats about that
If we are going to give all of our nearly 200,000 troops around the world $500,000 body armor to make them look like Master Cheif from Halo, that is going to cost $100,000,000,000. This while my school district had to cut like 5 more teachers this year.
I am sick of these pointless wars. What is next? Iran? I heard that they are thinking about planning to get ready to deciede whether they should attack america. Im not trying to start an argument, but the ony place that these suits are necessary is in video games.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 3:54 pm

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The enemies at the present in the war are wearing turbins and masks. We are in full armor. I doubt they are going to advance much.

And this gear isn't cheap. Many countries cannot afford to have this put in place, and I doubt terrorists would invest in this for the battlefield.


They did not use turbans and masks to blow the WTC, these people are so fanatic and crazy that they will find a way to catch up.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 5:13 pm

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