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Not confirmed, but seems to be alot of websites suggesting Michael Jackson has died today. Latoya Jackson ran into hospital in tears.

Shame, had a great career.
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Yup my wife just called me and let me know too. I see its on CNN and TMZ, and many other places as well.

That is sad news :(
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They are now saying he isn't dead but in a coma after a cardiac arrest.
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Yeah, LA Times saying he was confirmed just after 3pm.

Some news sites will have sources that others don't, so it will all be confirmed when there is a press conference which i imagine will be within the next couple of hours.
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Yeah reports seem to be conflicting. About ten minutes ago on CNN it said he died, but they keep updating it and now they changed it from him dying to being in a coma.
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And now CNN changed it back to died. So there seems to be alot of news conflicting with each other.
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Yeah, Associated Press confirming too.

That's some big news organisations saying it. BBC trying to steer clear from confirming though, obviously waiting for official confirmation.
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And just as i submit that, BBC confirms he is dead.

So, there you go. A shame, such a symbolic musician.

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I read somewhere he overworked himself that's why he had a cardiac arrest. He's been rehearsing hard for a series of comeback shows supposedly this coming July.

I feel like crying..
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Yeah, he had his first tour coming up in 12 years. For some reason it was 50 tour dates which is pretty extreme.

First concert of the tour was due to begin in just under two weeks time in London.
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So so so sad and shocking.. First Farah and now Michael, its so sad....

He was the first singer that I followed.. I must of been 4 years old but I adored Michael. I had his videos, his albums, his calender! I imitated him and knew all of his songs... He has had such a unique life, it is just such a shame that it ended far too early.

I blame the physical and mental stress of the new world tour. He wasn't ready for that.

The world loves you Michael!!! You will always live on through your creativity and all that you gave us.

Rest in peace, King of pop
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That was one of those moments when you'll remember exactly where you were and what you were doing the moment you heard/saw the news. I can't say I was a huge Jackson fan, however there is no denying his contributions to the world with his music. He was indeed the King of Pop and there is no replacing him.

R.I.P Michael Jackson. You will be missed by the world.
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Yeah, he had his first tour coming up in 12 years.

From what I've read, he's been in pretty bad physical condition for a while. I'd heard on TV that during his tour show, he was only going to be on the stage for 11 minutes, so they were scrambling to figure out how to fill the rest of the time.
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This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.

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This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.

Yes, he had issues. I won't argue that. However, he did have a great impact on the culture and music industry spanning across several countries. That's an
accomplishment that marks the times of a better person.

Despite MJ's misguided choices, which I do not condone, defend, or agree with, he still deserves a bit of respect. He will no longer hurt anyone, including himself. IMHO, we should leave it at that.

When I go, I hope I won't be remembered only by the cynics and critics for the bad things that I've done over my lifetime. I'd like to think that I'll be remembered for the good that I've managed by the people who love, respect, and understand me.

I (admittedly, it's sometimes mistakenly) give all Ozzuians the benefit of the doubt up front. However, I'd like to keep my ignorant belief. In the interest of that faith, I'd like to recommend that this thread stays flame-free.

Anyone who still feels compelled to post that "MJ was a creepy freak" comment, stop and think about where you were the first time you heard Thriller and consider just how many of his songs you can still recall.

If you still have the urge, then go ahead and share your flame with us. Just know that I'll judge you based on your thoughts just as you've done to Michael Jackson. If the thought of being judged upsets you, then don't be a hypocrite. Pay your respects or please kindly move along and let those of us who wish to do so gather here.
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Is this a censored forum? If so, please send me a PM and let me know and I'll kindly and quietly move on. If not, then I do not consider what I've posted above as a "flame".

It is definetly undisputed facts.

As far as remembering someone by the good they've done. I agree. Unless of course, you have minor children in your bed. I also would judge rapists and woman beaters in the same way.

If MJ had done something like drinking and driving or cheating on his taxes, I'd probably keep my mouth shut. But I'm so tired of everyone saying "RIP Mike, great guy!"

What about the children he damaged that are still alive.

Once again, I will reiterate, if this is a censored forum and the admin i.e. BWM wants me to edit or remove my posts, I will politely and quietly do so and move on.
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Thanks. We shared our opinions for all to read. Now you've shared yours. You've participated. Job well done.
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The last I heard he was exonerated of all child molestation charges so unless you know otherwise and can prove it without a shadow of a doubt there really is no debate. I agree it was all a bit creepy but without substantial proof there is no argument, it is all speculation.
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The last I heard he was exonerated of all child molestation charges so unless you know otherwise and can prove it without a shadow of a doubt there really is no debate. I agree it was all a bit creepy but without substantial proof there is no argument, it is all speculation.


Agreed! Who referenced child molestation? (except you)

If you are talking about me saying that he had small children in his bed. That is in fact true.

Edit to Add:

If having young children (that are not your own) in your bad with you is ok, then, would you have let YOUR children sleep over at his house? I think not!
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RIP Michael, you will be missed. *sigh* :(

Thank god for tributes around the web!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mic ... iew=videos
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I am sorry.

I am sorry to hear this. Yes, I was, am sad about this. Michael Jackson was great.

He lost his faith with Christ. I am not preaching, please. Did anyone know about this?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17555/m ... kson-islam

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... kaeel.html

There are times we blame religion when things do not work right.
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If all they were doing in said bed was sleeping then where is the harm? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I personally would not have a young child in my bed other than my own. But if all they did was sleep then I can't really say children were harmed. In a child's eyes there is no harm in sleeping. It is only us adults who see something creepy and wrong with it. The fact is we will never know what went on inside that ranch and in that bed.

Personally, if someone were to admit on national TV that they had children in their bed, i doubt they were doing anything wrong. Who would publicly admit to that if they were? I honestly feel that Michael was desperately trying to recapture his childhood and there was nothing wrong going on. But that is my two cents.

Michale Jackson has done more for this world then most can even hope for and he should be remembered for what he accomplished.
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If all they were doing in said bed was sleeping then where is the harm?


If you really believe that, I hope that parents in your area are aware of your thoughts on the matter. They will never leave their minor children unattended around you I promise (if they know). I would personally shoot a man who I caught in bed with my child without a second thought.
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If you are going to quote me then quote me fully
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I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I personally would not have a young child in my bed other than my own.
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If you are going to quote me then quote me fully
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I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I personally would not have a young child in my bed other than my own.


Playing devil's advocate for alleged child molestation? That's still suspect.
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Natas, could you stop or at least lower the tone of your post before you offend someone??

We now know your opinion and we respect it, try to do the same with others.

Thank you
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Natas, could you stop or at least lower the tone of your post before you offend someone??

We now know your opinion and we respect it, try to do the same with others.

Thank you



Of course, but since it has been an hour since my last post in the thread. I have effectively stopped, correct? If I have offended anyone, I apologize. That wasn't my intent. I just figured this was a general discussion forum and opposing views are allowed.

If you'd like I can just follow along with everyone and say "Miss Ya Mikey!"
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Natas, you're beyond the point of opposing view now. You've now becoming the instigator and I'd like to politely request one more time that you let it go. I am NOT instructing you to do anything. I am NOT telling you that you can or cannot do or say anything. This is NOT 'the man' trying to hold you down.

I AM, however, requesting (once more) person-to-person that you let others share their opinions now that you've had a chance.

If this message happens to reach you an hour or so later and you have already stopped, then I thank you. I applaud you. Now we're moving along.
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Is this a censored forum? If so, please send me a PM and let me know and I'll kindly and quietly move on.



No need for this to continue as I've already addressed the issue hours ago. But since that request has been implemented in the public fora instead of requested PM. I will honor it as stated above. Sorry for the Mike bashing. Popular opinion rule!
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Jackson has been dead since the 80's really.
A nobody except a circus show for the media.

Yeah he was good back in the 70-80's. So was big hair and bellbottoms.

Move along imo, he has no real legacy. His "marriages" shameful, his children will not have a father, etc.

He settled out of court for the one allegation btw..
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Look at the top stories for the last year at Digg, it's only been one day and the only news bigger than MJ dying is Obama becoming president.

You know you're a big deal when your death rivals news of the first black President in America.
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I don't know how reliable the source is, but if it turns out to be true, the media is about to rock again...

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After the sudden death of Michael Jackson Evan Chandler tells the truth.

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.

Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”.Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…

Under the influence of a controversial father (Jordan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis.Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.
” Now for the first time i can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”


Source looked like it could have some NSFW ads on it, so I'll withhold. I never know what's hiding behind my AdBlock Plus.

Update: Maybe there's some legitimacy to it after all(see article here), but I don't trust Fox News either, heh.
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He had issues, but like everything else there is a reason for this. There is always a reason to every problem.

Imagine this, you are 5 years old and you are performing in one of the biggest child bands of the time. Your career doesn't really stop for abour 25 years where you release some of the biggest songs of all time and people are constantly praising you.

What happens when you stop? everything that you thought you knew about yourself was no longer what you thought and now you are starting to realise that you are not a little kid...but only because there is a society that frowns upon what he is alleged to have done. You can see he wasn't really sane, but he was still a fantastic musician nonetheless and i think it is only fair for him to be remembered for what he did do and not what he was alleged to have done.

His music will still be played for decades to come, i have no doubt in my nind about that. Whilst i was never a massive fan, i can completely appreciate his contribution to the music world.

I'm still a bit shocked at all this. Rest in Peace MJ.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8

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Michael is a great loss in music industry..but people should always remember his contributions to the world.

We will miss you Michael!
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Its a sad news and He is my favorite singer when i heard it i just shocked and cann't explain how i felt on that moment :(
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I wonder who the next celebrity to go is going to be. Just recently we've had Michael Jackson, Farah Faucet, Billy Mays, David Carradine, and Ed McMahon all turn up dead.
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personally, i have no idea where i was or what i was doing. i just remember feeling a slight sigh of relief and wondering if i should feel bad that it made me smile :-X

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This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.

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R.I.P Michael Jackson. You will be missed by the world.

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amen.

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Despite MJ's misguided choices, which I do not condone, defend, or agree with, he still deserves a bit of respect. He will no longer hurt anyone, including himself. IMHO, we should leave it at that.

When I go, I hope I won't be remembered only by the cynics and critics for the bad things that I've done over my lifetime. I'd like to think that I'll be remembered for the good that I've managed by the people who love, respect, and understand me.

erm..if your child was molested by him, would you really think regardless of that he deserves respect? or better yet, if you were the child who was molested by him, would you still respect him? there are stupid, bad, *plum* things people do, whatever. but there are some things that just scar your reputation as well, and molesting children IMHO is one of them.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but he was never actually convicted of child molestation. He was only accused wasn't he? If so, then he's innocent until proven guilty.
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This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.

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R.I.P Michael Jackson. You will be missed by the world.

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Look, were did you get your undisputed facts? Prehaps he did, prehaps he didn't. The story is for him and his Maker now. But I tell you something I told someone today after hearing a MJ joke. As much as some people hated him, he hated himself even more. Who created Michael Jackson? The world and record companies. No excuse for anything he did wrong but I think we need to be sympathetic about the fact that a family has lost a loved one. I personally only liked the tracks that he had some excellent axe wielding guitar plays on but that is my opinion.

My point is this: Be careful saying the world is better off without him because I am sure there are some who say the same about you and sooner or later we are all laid equal before our righteous judge. Everyone is mortal and the same measure you judge by is the measure you will be judged by so best not to judge unless you have all three sides of the story, your side, my side and the truth.

P.S if my child was molested by someone I WOULD NOT accept a pay off to make it go away. Kinda makes you wonder why the child was there in the first place? If the parents were willing to accept this then prehaps they are the ones that should be prosecuted. What a sad world
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My point is this: Be careful saying the world is better off without him...


Very true. There's a lot more dangerous people out there than The King of Pop. Ruthless dictators, serial killers, drug lords, corrupt politicians, satan.....the list goes on and on.
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natas wrote:
This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.


Look, were did you get your undisputed facts? Prehaps he did, prehaps he didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQwY4ll1Kfc Skip to 1:06 Straight from the horse's mouth. He said even if he slept in the bed with the child (who was indeed in his bad as I stated) it would be okay.

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My point is this: Be careful saying the world is better off without him because I am sure there are some who say the same about you and sooner or later we are all laid equal before our righteous judge.

You assume I believe in some type of "God", which I do not.

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P.S if my child was molested by someone I WOULD NOT accept a pay off to make it go away. Kinda makes you wonder why the child was there in the first place? If the parents were willing to accept this then prehaps they are the ones that should be prosecuted. What a sad world


I agree! I also agree that the payoff shows Michael was worried about something. Hmm.

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Very true. There's a lot more dangerous people out there than The King of Pop.

By that statement, you infer that MJ is indeed a dangerous individual.
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Dude really. You can argue this till you blue in the face. The point is this and many people have difficulty accepting this so I am sure you will as well

I am right all the time :)
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uh oh natas, careful who you challenge, heh. I don't hold a rhetoric candle to Rabid Dog.
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Not really here to "challenge" anyone. Just want to voice an unpopular opinion. It seems that others are the one's wishing to "challenge" me.

Either way... I tried not to respond until I got dragged back in... Sorry.
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Turns out MJ had a patent - for shoes that let him and performers lean forward beyond their center of gravity.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HJbGSHtFYQ

Check out this article at Discovery News for explanation.
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LOL unpopular opinion. I would put the opinions at about 50/50 to be honest considering the MJ jokes that have come out and the amount of people that reacted in the same way you did.

Anyways RIP MJ and that can be interperated as Rest In Peace or just for you Natas "Rot in pieces"
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You know its terrible the way hes ruined his life his music was so cool back in the day . I was the first album I ever bought lol. I was 9 or 10 I think I don't know something like that. It just went downhill for him as his life turned tainted with all the little boys etc. Lawsuits and well it was proven he was indeed a pedophile.

Sad he could of used his popularity boom for something for good not evil. ITs sad how he corrupted his life after that. The fame seems to have effects on differnt people and it just turned him evil.
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Ah yes you say that but everyone seems to think that Bill Gates is a nasty man yet he funds a large portion of malaria research in Africa.

I recon you can never win, human beings are way to fickle and grey. Nothing is ever black or white (no pun intended)
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No matter what he'd became, his contribution in the world of music can never be denied. MJ, may you rest in peace.
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I never realized he's been performing since he was a little kid until he died and all of the interviews/etc started airing on TV.

I can see why he was always in debt, one interview he just walked around pointing at things and they wrapped it up for him. The guy asks "Do you have room in your house for this stuff?" to which MJ answers "Oh, this is for a new house" :lol:
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How did you get dragged in?
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The doctors thought that he was haveing a cardiac arrest however they found out later it was food poisoning he had eaten a ten year old sausage haha.
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This guy had children in his bed... and said it was perfectly ok to do so. If this isn't a sick person. I don't know what is. Maybe the world is a better place now.

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R.I.P Michael Jackson. You will be missed by the world.

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i feel blessed that i knew of such a tremendous and talented performer and its really sad that he passed away so suddenly. I feel really bad for the next generation because they will never know of Michael Jackson, unless we spread the word and let his music stay fresh in ur minds and our hearts. RIP MJ
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