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I am new and do not know which forum is the best place to introduce this concept.

I am looking for help - the concept has been put together by one programmer and myself (an internet dunce)


Make your e-mail address into a Domain address

At A-tails.com we have built software that will make an e-mail address into a domain name. We believe this is a fundamental breakthrough that will bring all sorts of new opportunities to web site developers.

Simply by inserting www. In front of one of our e-mail addresses it is possible to create a website address

Demo: http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz and http://www.Jonathan@HisOffice.biz

We have invented the following terminology:

E-Mail Address EricT@ylor.com
E-Domain http://www.EricT@ylor.com

E-Domain Family All the E-Domains dependent on a single base unit – EG the base unit http://www.ylor.com has in it’s E-Domain family anynameT@ylor.com anynameN@ylor.com anynameS@ylor.com etc.

E-Site A web site that uses an E-Domain address

HOW WILL THIS SOTWARE BE USED?

It is always difficult to predict all the uses new ideas will be put to. We have come up with a few applications that you might find stimulating.

E-Names – vanity e-mail addresses with message boards or website facilities

For instance using the base unit http://www.ylor.com it is possible to create e-mail addresses along the lines of anynameT@ylor.com (EricT@ylor.com, LucyT@ylor.com and so on)

These same e-mail addresses can have the corresponding website addresses http://www.anynameT@ylor.com (http://www.EricT@ylor.com http://www.LucyT@ylor.com and so on).

So the owner of ylor.com can supply someone called Eric Taylor with complimentary e-mail and website addresses – EricT@ylor.com and http://www.EricT@ylor.com.

E-Brands – packages of e-mail/autoresponder and websites.

For instance using the base unit http://www.byalbum.com it is possible to produce thousands of e-mail addresses and domains ending with the words B@byAlbum.com. It is possible to create John.B@byAlbum.com Lucy.B@byAlbum.com and so on.

The owner of the brand anynameB@byAlbum.com can sell packages of templated baby albums to customers.

Autoresponder addresses where three worlds meet s

We on a sort of bridge between Websites; E-mail and Autoresponders

Demo:

E-Site http://www.W@ltDisney.com
autoresponder ; W@ltDisney.com
e-mail addresses Sales.W@ltDisney.com Jim.W@ltDisney.com (not set up)

Look what has happened – the address is a brand name, the e-mail address intuitively relates to the website address and is used for autoresponder news, and the E-site can have multiple e-mail addresses.

Cybercharacters

A fun application is the world of cyber-characters. The user chooses a character and sets up autoresponder and E-Site.

Demo: http://www.F@therChristmas.com
F@therChristmas.com

It is also possible for individuals to set up nick names to use as their Internet identity. For instance someone could decide to be J@mesBond.com as a personal identity and post their picture at http://www.J@mesBond.com

Dating Agencies

The provider builds a branded package based on the ending Th@tsMe.com

E-mail Lucy.Th@tsme.com E-Site Lucy.Th@tsMe.com (Picture with details)

Autoresponder Brands

We have a base unit: Mailback.info

Using this base unit we can sell autoresponder addresses with E-site facilities.

Demo: Autoresponder BigSix@Mailback.info and E-site http://www.BigSix@Mailback.info

There are so many opportunities for the combination of autoresponders and e-sites it is impossible to list them all. Restaurants could use them for menus – classified columns in newspapers could use them – football results could be put on them. The applications go on and on.


Our current site is at http://www.A-tails

We need allies to get these ideas taken up - all interest appreciated

my e-mail Julian@HisOffice.biz


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Well, that "concept" isn't really new... and it isn't really something you can market seeing as how people can do that already, heh.

Whether people go to http://something.com or http://somebody@something.com, they still get the same site.

@ has been a common part of URLs ever since user authentication was thought up.

http://user:pass@site.com

And what happens if 3 people want their own E-Mail addresses turned into websites?

Are you supplying the scripts to turn...

user1@somedomain.com
user2@somedomain.com
user3@somedomain.com

Into three separate sites?

Because there is nothing that "makes an E-Mail address into a domain name", it simply is a URL with a username (for authentication purposes, usually) at a domain name. Without supplying a password on that URL, is the web server software even going to acknowledge a username for a script to process?

So, seeing as how people have been able to do this since forever anyway, what exactly are you offering? I don't see how this is anything new to what can already be done.
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Hi John

You did not try the demos or read my script.

Now try again

put this in your browser bar:

http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz

now try in your browser bar:

http://www.Jonathan@HisOffie.biz

They open differnet web pages don't they?

If you have Netscape the full address http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz will be displayed or http://www.Jonathan@HisOffice.biz. Microsoft works but only displays HisOffice.biz in both cases

My E-mail address still works norm :P :P ally


You can have as many pseudo-domains as e-mail addresses

IE

http://www.EricT@ylor.com
http://www.E.T@ylor.com
http://www.Eric_T@ylor.com
http://www.Eric.T@ylor,com
http://www.Dr.EricT@ylor.com

Now think how you can use this software please.

There is only one problem so far - we have not figured how to make the back button work

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Ok, so you wrote scripts to basically take the username part of the URL (the bit between http:// and the @ symbol), then forward them to the appropriate pages...

Are you selling the scripts to allow people to set this up on their own sites? Are you selling hosting with this as a feature? Or what?
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Anyone who wants to use our idea for free will be helped.

I would like this idea copied because that way the idea might start to be used more widely. Also we need to lobby microsft to makea patch etc.

I think this concept opens doors - I only listed a few that came to mind.

Webdesigners could either work with us or independently building websites that use this application. My programmer is overstretched and I am useless. So interest and participation would be helpful


ONE IDEA - (perhaps it is a bad idea - I have too many)

I have a little idea for making a cyber address park - which would be a sort of windows desktop with icons - each icon would be a link to a webdesigners package.

So in the park there may be a icon with a pram - and clicking that link would open up a site selling the B@byAlbums. etc maybe by an independent or maybe by us.

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The problem is, there's already existing, long-established technologies that utilize this "concept".

.htaccess password protection uses this.

You load a url, http://user:pass@site.com

And up comes the URL without a username & password prompt.

If somebody loads up http://youremail@yourdomain.com, are they still going to be able to .htaccess protect sections of their site? if they are, will the new username entered into the password box override the E-Mail address username that was previously typed in?

In theory, it's a neat idea. But, it's one that's come up before, and existing technologies will mean it probably won't really take off.

But, I wish you luck :)
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Thanks John,

I will pass your comments on the Jonathan who will understand what you are saying...and come back.

You seem very knowledgable - it would be good to have people like you on side

Julian
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Message from Jonathan who wrote the program:


"It's great to have some feedback - someone at least considering it seriously.....

The key thing, I reckon, is that we're not after these esoteric things - what we are offering is what 99% of people would use: normal web pages.

Probably best to say that we exclude such options, though it's possible, as we can filter out the bit before (ie user:pass@julian@hisoffice.biz becomes user:pass@<the redirected site>). just as long as I know.

Certainly, we don't need such access, as we are a dedicated site. We provide a "frame" around a webspace elsewhere.

Let's hope the noise keeps going. The fact that this user:pass@ format exists means that we are guaranteed it working into the future (yippee).

Jonathan"
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Why add www?
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because

Julian@HisOffice.biz is an email address

http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz opens a web site

of course if you are typing directly into the browser no need to type www.
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I understand what your trying to accomplish. Why not:

mailto:Julian@HisOffice.biz and
http://Julian@HisOffice.biz

or simply

mailto:Julian@HisOffice.biz and
http://HisOffice.biz/Julian/

I guess my question could be better summarized as curiosity into what merits you believe this function has to benefit the user. Keeping in mind that I am curious, not critical.
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I enjoy this forum, I enjoy the sceptism.

I suppose new ideas (like life) always take you to places you never expected to go - and I do not know where this idea will lead.

In a way my idea represents a dumbing down of the internet - and so to internet connoisseurs pseudo-domains can seem irrelevant. But be careful because a professor of English literature would easily dismiss text massaging as a heresy, only to find that it is the preferred language of the young mobile phone generation.

To answer your question more specifically

I see this facility as being relevant on all sorts of levels.

At the very lowest level a company like AOL could offer all their users a message board on which they could post messages. IE a customer could have an e-mail address John356@Aol.com and a message board at http://www.John356@Aol.com. It would be an add-on facility, provided at almost no cost to Aol, useful to 10% of their customers.

At a level above it could be used to for brand sites - often ephemeral sites, for people like myself who are frightened of technology but want to use the internet. I will give you an example:

Recently a friend of a friend died. They were distraught and asked me what they should be doing to remember the friend (Chloe). I replied why not set up a remembrance site for Chloe where you could post pictures and contributions and memories. She loved the idea, but had no idea about how to set up such a site.

Using my technology it would be possible to offer a package for people wanting a remembrance site. The package would include a dedicated e-mail address Chloe@InLovingMemory.com and a website http://www.Chloe@InLovingMemory.com.

The website would simple template pages where an internet dunce could paste some picture and type in eulogies about Chloe's life.

On a higher level the pseudo-domains could be used in advertising for large companies who do not wish to use their real identity. For instance a insurance company called Kendal District Insurance may want to run a national campaign to attract customers. Rather than use their real name they could buy the website address http://www.Fin@nce.biz and e-mail address Fin@nce.com. This address would give the impression that Kendal District Insurance was an international company.

I have not touched on autorsponders - autoresponder with websites offer obvious advantages since the info can be seen either on a web page or called up via e-mail.

These are just ideas

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Search engines wouldn't see 'em though
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The one benefit I see from this, which is a great one: Simplicity. Your email address is the same as your homepage url (with www, ofcourse). Thats great!

I think for many people, knowing their url is the same as their email would appear less intimidating, and we might see people more willing to create a personal webpage...
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Duffman has got it in one.

These domains are pseudo domains - they do not have all the facilities of a traditional site - but they do have advantages - espeically for the casual user.

They could be searched on search engines since the pseudomains are pointing to real web pages with real addresses. For instance http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz is pointing at a site called Art-is-a-tart.com. But by trickery it pretends in the browser bar that you are at http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz

But the sort of person who has an e-mail address TomT@ylor.com and mini vanity webpage about his family at http://www.TomT@ylor.com is not going to want to be on a search engine

For for millions of e-mail users (ordinary folk) these websites could be a first step from e-mail to the world of webpages . Which is a massive step forward for the industry because the average guy in the street has an e-mail address - but not a web site address. These pseudodamians could start to change that situation.
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Whether they're pointing to real sites or not, Google won't see URLs with @ in them.

http://www.somebody@someplace.com

Google is going to strip out the username and simply send people to http://someplace.com.

Even if http://www.somebody@someplace.com forwards to a real address, Google won't see it.
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I agree google will not accept Fin@nce.biz as a genuine adress -because it s a fake. But the web browser accepts the fake - which is great if you are using it in adverts - instead of MiltonKeynesFinance.co.uk

If you wanted to post something on the google search engine you would have to use the real address not the fake one.

I agree this is a limitation - but one door closes - another opens.

These fake addresses are very easy to remember because they are either identical to your e-mail address or visually simple.
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I agree google will not accept Fin@nce.biz as a genuine adress -because it s a fake. But the web browser accepts the fake - which is great for vanity sites which do not want to be on google.

If you wanted to post something on the google search engine you would have to use the real address not the fake one.

I agree this is a limitation - but one door closes - another opens.

The answer id to build a few packages and try them out in the market place. I have a server and anyone is welcome to use our software!
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Julian2 wrote:
For for millions of e-mail users (ordinary folk) these websites could be a first step from e-mail to the world of webpages . Which is a massive step forward for the industry because the average guy in the street has an e-mail address - but not a web site address. These pseudodamians could start to change that situation.



i like the idea you could make something like msn but each persion gets ther own webpage i like it.
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please help!

I am a useless artist with no webmaster skills.

My partner is an excellant webmaster and has built http://www.A-tails.com, I think the time has now come for a few others to add their invention and ideas to what we have started.

I really feel this is a door slightly ajar - help us push it open!
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An old thread, but I thought I'd just post this bit of info that was announced yesterday...

http://enterprisesecurity.symantec.com/ ... cleID=3296

So, it looks like even if you can get these scripts working and sold, Micro$oft may make this idea impossible.
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But it does work with or without microsofts co-operation.

the only thing is that it is not shown in the browser box correctly - ie netscapes shows W@ltDisney.com and microsoft shows tlDisney.com


I am optimistic that it will be adopted in time - the internet is very young and undercrowded compared to what it will be like in ten years time. Addresses will be needed, this is one option.
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Yes, but how many people don't use Internet Explorer? Throughout all my sites, totalling over 50,000 page views per day, 97-98% of them are using Internet Explorer.

Whether it will be adopted or not isn't the issue, it's whether it'll WORK or not. It works RIGHT NOW with IE, but that announcement was just made yesterday. SOON, it may not be as easily done because Micr$oft is changing Internet Explorer to specifically target this aspect of the browser.
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Thank you John

I understand what you are saying. That is bad news for my fantasies!

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Duffman has got it in one.

These domains are pseudo domains - they do not have all the facilities of a traditional site - but they do have advantages - espeically for the casual user.

They could be searched on search engines since the pseudomains are pointing to real web pages with real addresses. For instance http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz is pointing at a site called Art-is-a-tart.com. But by trickery it pretends in the browser bar that you are at http://www.Julian@HisOffice.biz

But the sort of person who has an e-mail address TomT@ylor.com and mini vanity webpage about his family at http://www.TomT@ylor.com is not going to want to be on a search engine

For for millions of e-mail users (ordinary folk) these websites could be a first step from e-mail to the world of webpages . Which is a massive step forward for the industry because the average guy in the street has an e-mail address - but not a web site address. These pseudodamians could start to change that situation.


By "trickery"? Hmm, you know I wasn't even going to comment...but rewrite rules and/or proxypass rules are hardly "trickery"; they have been in around since circa 1996.

Placing the 'www' prior to the 'pseudo-domain' is hardly necessary either -- after all it's merely a throwback and a default hostname. (Hostname.domain.TLD) What make something web traffic is entirely the requestor's protocol choice. Even in your example, you made it a web transaction by declaring the A HREF, vs. the MAILTO. You invoke protocol; it has nothing to do with adding a www -- technically speaking. If you add it to clarify the use of web protocols, then as a social mechanism it may have worth.

So what we end up having is either a system that makes use of the '@' symbol -- either as an access control mechanism that doe snot use a password but instead checks for either valid users OR admit all, or in a proxypass/rewrite condition; most likely both. I would not exactly classify it as ground-breaking, especially considering anyone on this forum could, without a doubt obtain a domain, host the domain, get a book on Apache and Sendmail/qmail/postfix, and set it up themselves for as little as 2.99 a month -- hosting fees. Anything less, and I fail to see any fiduciary gain.

But hey, stranger things have happened. Much luck to ya.

Cheers.

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