The Mozilla Firefox Appreciation thread

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Its finally HERE! :shock:

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Boy is it gonna KILL IE!!!!!!
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i just recently installed FireBird, but CANNOT get the flash
plugin to install. I have NS7 installed, and flash runs fine on
there...so I have no idea what to do differently. :scratchhead:

I like this though...looks sweet! :thumbsup:
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Out of curiosity, what's better about firefox compared with regular mozilla? Looking around mozilla.org they tell you tabbed browsing, popup blockers and stuff, but all that comes with plain vanilla mozilla.

Also, the multizilla plugin is excellent. Tabbed browsing done right :)
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UNFLUX: Firebird was 0.7 and below... the new version released was 0.8 and they changed the name to Firefox. Firefox actually comes with a .exe installer so when you visit the macromedia.com site to download the flash plugin, it works peachy. With Firebird you had to download the flash plugin installer, then manually find the plugins folder for Firebird and install it to that directory.

My only gripe with Firefox at the moment is that it seems to have NO SCROLLBAR... wtf is up with that? Is it just me?
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It's just you on the scrollbar thing lostinbeta, but the default background color is almost white so if you don't have anything to scroll you hardly notice it's there. I bet that was by design. And UNFLUX, lostinbeta is spot on about the Flash plugin. Much easier than the older Phoenix and Firebird renditions. It is a little confusing though because the Flash plugin downloads the setup file to your desktop. I'm like where the heck did this get saved to? *lol But it does install very easily this time around.

At the moment I don't see too much different other than the installer and the flash plugin differences.
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icyroadz wrote:
Out of curiosity, what's better about firefox compared with regular mozilla?


Ditto. Mozilla seems to be putting out competing software packages and it is confusing as hell. Selecting which program to use is difficult because they haven't clearly defined the differences.

And, what about a project road map? Will Mozilla be phased out? (Mozilla works great for me. The last thing I want is to switch).
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Out of curiosity, what's better about firefox compared with regular mozilla? Looking around mozilla.org they tell you tabbed browsing, popup blockers and stuff, but all that comes with plain vanilla mozilla.

Also, the multizilla plugin is excellent. Tabbed browsing done right :)


Its more customiseable than Mozila for starters. It also doesnt come with the mail client etc., and is a stripped down version of mozilla. It just looks better I think and less like Netscape.
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It also doesnt come with the mail client etc., and is a stripped down version of mozilla. It just looks better I think and less like Netscape.


Do you mean it is the same code base?
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If I understand correctly, isn't Mozilla based off the Gecko engine and runs on a java platform, like NS 7? Whereas, I don't believe Firebird does. In any case, I think Firebird runs faster and more efficiently than the Mozilla flavor, and I prefer it, even if I can't keep up with what they are calling it from month to month! *lol
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Thanks ATNO/TW. I'll take another look at this (especially consider I'm just using Mozilla for the browser).
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ATNO: Firebird does indeed run off the same Gecko engine as NS and Mozilla. But Firebird (or Firefox, whatever), doesn't come with the added components that Mozilla does. So it is a slimmed down Mozilla.

It doesn't come with an address book, a mail client, a newsgroup jimmeryjawny, etc, etc. Firefox is just a browser, nothing more, nothing less... slim, fast, and ready to rock.



FADGE!!! I uninstalled and reinstalled Firefox and STILL no scrollbars!
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FADGE!!! I uninstalled and reinstalled Firefox and STILL no scrollbars!


Are you doing the regular install? I did the custom install and added that javascript console stuff, but I have the scrollbars just fine.
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Lostinbeta, this might be why your scrollbars are missing.

Wow, I've been playing around with firefox, and I'm very impressed. To get the tabbed browsing to not steal focus when opening a new tab I added the multizilla plugin to mozilla. Firefox just does it right from the beginning.

Thanks for convincing a skeptic. :thumbsup:
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To get the tabbed browsing to not steal focus when opening a new tab I added the multizilla plugin to mozilla. Firefox just does it right from the beginning.


You can do that in Mozilla. Just load the tabs in the background.

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Two things are funny about that, I thought I had tried that before and it didn't work then (i think), but now if I uncheck it (with the plugin mind) it doesn't affect it. *Shrugs*
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Lostinbeta, this might be why your scrollbars are missing.

Wow, I've been playing around with firefox, and I'm very impressed. To get the tabbed browsing to not steal focus when opening a new tab I added the multizilla plugin to mozilla. Firefox just does it right from the beginning.

Thanks for convincing a skeptic. :thumbsup:



SWEET DEAL ICYROADZ!!! That worked perfectly.... apparently even though the themes switch during runtime, for the scrollbar error to be fixed you need to close out firefox then restart it. This is why when I tried it before it didn't work. Stupid me!
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:) Glad to help!
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ok i have a new browser installed and it's called firefox! :thumbsup:

I'm diggin' it...pretty nifty. I gave up on firebird, this was much
easier. Thanks for the help.
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Oh....now that was slick! I installed this earlier today at work when I first saw the thread here. But I just installed it at home and my active IE window at the time was OZZU's main page. Guess what? Firefox snagged that and instantly made it my default home page! I bet someone speant a few long nights figuring out how to do that! *lol (at work I had closed out all my browser windows before installing)

The only thing I'm down on Firefox/any Mozilla stuff -- they still haven't incorporated the Favicons into the bookmarks. I'd like to see that.
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picky picky! ;)

I'm relaly liking this browser, I'm really glad I installed it. :D
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After a half a day with it, it appears to be the best effort so far.
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It's very much like phoenix/firebird...skinable, fast and stable.

If there was one thing I'd change, is the ability to have the "click to hide" toolbars similar to Nutscape's new browser.

http://www.freewebs.com/coldcanuck/firefox.html
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After a half a day with it, it appears to be the best effort so far.


I've tried almost all web browsers over the years, but I have not tried the new and improved Firebird/Firefox. I have tried firebird and it kept crashing.

I always go back to Galeon! Notice how I moved my tabs and toolbar to the bottom were it should be, like Opera. Click link below to view screenshot...

My Galeon Screenshot

Galeon is way better than Firebird; however, I don't think they have a windows version of Galeon.

Galeon (web browser for the Linux Gnome (GTK) desktop) started all these features that others try to emulate, like built in popup blocking, google search bar built-in. They also borrowed the Opera stuff like giving you an option to put the toolbar and tabs at the bottom.

Tabs in Mozilla look like crap compared to Opera or Galeon. Mozilla is also way slower.

You may be surprised at what people do with that Mozilla code. I believe the setup screen in my Adaptec RAID adaptor software is nothing more than a Mozilla browser. Also, the very pretty graphical boot and terminal screen of SUSE Linux looks familiar. Everyone is using OpenSource Mozilla code to create some very nice applications for Windows and Linux.

Read one article which said, Firebird was created by some of the developers that left the Galeon project because they did not like the way the project was headed. I do not know if this is true or not, but perhaps that is why I see similarities in Firebird and Galeon. But be warned that Galeon is way ahead of the game and have been for a few years now.

After upgrading my server I found that Galeon was removed during the upgrade to fedora. The "first" thing I did was search for a Galeon rpm for fedora and install it!



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I have never used Galeon, but I know I can't stand Opera.
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scarecrow wrote:
ATNO/TW wrote:
After a half a day with it, it appears to be the best effort so far.


I've tried almost all web browsers over the years, but I have not tried the new and improved Firebird/Firefox. I have tried firebird and it kept crashing.

I always go back to Galeon! Notice how I moved my tabs and toolbar to the bottom were it should be, like Opera. Click link below to view screenshot...

My Galeon Screenshot

Galeon is way better than Firebird; however, I don't think they have a windows version of Galeon.

//snip//

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you try to run that many tabs in any of the MS Window's browsers that supports tabs and you prolly gonna crash, heehee...

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lol LIB!

(meanwhile, in the shallow end of the pool...)
I got it, like it, i'll test on it with new projects, but i'll pbly still surf with IE.

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me too dM. just excited about the new toy ;)
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you try to run that many tabs in any of the MS Window's browsers that supports tabs and you prolly gonna crash, heehee...

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Really?

http://www.freewebs.com/coldcanuck/tabs_galore.html
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Scarecrow -- have to agree with CC on this. Here's a screen shot:

http://atnopro.com/ozzu/screenshot.jpg

I know it doesn't show the tabs open on FireFox, but there's 10 there. In addition you'll also note (at the bottom) I also have 20 windows/proggies running as well on Win2K including HTML-Kit, Photoshop 6.0, multiple instances of IE , several instances of ICQ, and a couple instances of Cute FTP. If anyone ever tries to tell you Win2K can't handle the multiple "stuff "-- just show them that screen capture to prove them wrong. I'm still alive and kickin'.
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The only thing Im annoyed with that hasnt bee nsorted out is the ordering of the Bookmarks. In the previous version and this one as well the bookmarks wouldnt sort in A-Z order coz of a bug. Seems like they havent been able to sort it yet so we're just gonna have to wait! :(
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ATNO/TW wrote:

http://atnopro.com/ozzu/screenshot.jpg



Hey man, there's a windows update available in your screen cap. You better go get it. hahahaha.
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If anyone ever tries to tell you Win2K can't handle the multiple "stuff "-- just show them that screen capture to prove them wrong. I'm still alive and kickin'.


time will tell :roll:

windows will become slower over time as you install more programs and the registry get's filled with junk.

Linux with an X server running is slower than a fresh XP install but after months pass, XP becomes slower and slower.

the main reason Windows is faster is because it has a registry which i believe stays loaded into memory while you work. one app i used showed which program was reading which registry key and it was constantly reading the registry and updating.

on the other side, linux has no registry and it is a bit slower than XP when using X because linux uses plain text config files. much easier to understand and make changes.

linux and X performance stays constant and the linux filesystem is more stable than XP. i do not want to start a flame war over which is better or faster.

of course i'm no expert and my opinions are based on my experiences as a windows and linux user.

update: i just found out that the reason Galeon was removed from fedora was because it was replaced with Epiphany. since it's already installed, i will try Epiphany later.


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digitalMedia wrote:
ATNO/TW wrote:

http://atnopro.com/ozzu/screenshot.jpg



Hey man, there's a windows update available in your screen cap. You better go get it. hahahaha.


and you can turn off that Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger "if" you mostly use Yahoo or ICQ:

Goto C:\Program Files\
Rename "Messenger" to "MessengerOFF"
Rename "MSN Messenger" to "MSN MessengerOFF"
(without the quotes of course)
Contrary to what it says, it will not damage other
programs or keep them from running.
note: you may have change the folder permissions if it's read-only, then rename it, and change it back to read-only.

why does microsoft frighten users by saying it will damage other programs? that's the microsoft way to get you to keep their products active, i guess.

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My first gripe with Firefox is the way it's rendering form elements with styles applied. Kind of surprising since the Mozilla browser had been doing this so well.
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My first gripe with Firefox is the way it's rendering form elements with styles applied. Kind of surprising since the Mozilla browser had been doing this so well.


Seems to work OK for me. This page displays exactly as I wrote it and it's identical on IE6 or Foxfire: http://housesunlimitedinc.com/sell.html (Light blue text fields with grey text). I seem to recall when I wrote it though that I had to apply the style class to each input element in order to get it to work on NS4x versions. That may be why it displays as intended on Foxfire. I'd be curious to see a page where it's not working right for you.
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scarecrow thanks for the tip on messenger. I did know that. I use messenger but not frequently. Usually, I forget to turn it on.
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digitalMedia wrote:
My first gripe with Firefox is the way it's rendering form elements with styles applied. Kind of surprising since the Mozilla browser had been doing this so well.


Seems to work OK for me. This page displays exactly as I wrote it and it's identical on IE6 or Foxfire: http://housesunlimitedinc.com/sell.html (Light blue text fields with grey text). I seem to recall when I wrote it though that I had to apply the style class to each input element in order to get it to work on NS4x versions. That may be why it displays as intended on Foxfire. I'd be curious to see a page where it's not working right for you.


I didn't look at the source, are you applying height and width attribs in your style definition?
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No. Just these two classes

Code: [ Select ]
.form {font-family : "MS Serif", "New York", serif;
background-color: #CCFFFF;
color: #808080;
font-size: 14px;
font-weight: normal;
}

TD.formtext {color : #000099;
    font-family : "MS Serif", "New York", serif;
    font-size : 14px;
    font-weight : normal;
    text-align : left;
    background-image : none;
    
    }
  1. .form {font-family : "MS Serif", "New York", serif;
  2. background-color: #CCFFFF;
  3. color: #808080;
  4. font-size: 14px;
  5. font-weight: normal;
  6. }
  7. TD.formtext {color : #000099;
  8.     font-family : "MS Serif", "New York", serif;
  9.     font-size : 14px;
  10.     font-weight : normal;
  11.     text-align : left;
  12.     background-image : none;
  13.     
  14.     }


Here's another one I did almost the same way:
http://cigloans.com/apply.html
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Here's what I'm talking about. It's not a problem in this form, obviously, but I do a lot of layouts that require more exactness than this. That's one of the reasons I love CSS so much, it was giving me the exactness that I required. Also, there should be exactly 15px between the two blocks. IE, Moz1.3, Opera all get it right.

I know I'm being picky...but it's my job to be picky. ;)


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Moz 1.3
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Opera
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I see what you are saying. I've never tried playing around with that. I'll have to do some experimenting with it sometime soon.
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Ummmm, was the inclusion of both english and what looks to be italian, intentional?

The headers for the text boxes are in english, and the little informational paragraphs are in italian...seems that both would be in italian, eh :?


Cheers, eh...


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No, it's not italian. It's commonly known as Lorem Ipsum text. It's been used as place-holder copy for about 500 years.

http://www.lipsum.com/

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I've used that filler text myself, but it didn't register :oops:

Maybe I should just shut the hell up and simply read posts from now on :lol:



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NO!!!! Don't do that, please. If everyone only read posts it would be a pretty boring forum.

:) ;)

I bet a couple people will discover Lorem ipsum for the first time thanks to your question.

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I've used that filler text myself, but it didn't register :oops:

C.C.


*lol -- I was wondering about that, because I KNOW I've seen you use it!
Like your new Avatar, btw.
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*lol -- I was wondering about that, because I KNOW I've seen you use it!

Thats the silly part of it, I've been using that filler for quite a while, probably forgot to sweep the cobwebs out of this sleep-deprived brain :D

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Like your new Avatar, btw.

Thanks, I'd been in the process of sifting through my bookmarks, and found a ton that came up 404...some of them were excellent resources for graphics tutes...neofrog was one :(


Cheers, IT dude :)


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I didn't know this. This explains the name change:

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5156101.html
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Quote:
A firefox is another name for the red panda, a red-furred, endangered mammal related to the giant panda and found in the Himalayas, China and Myanmar.


This makes me love it even more :)

Note: Anyone who knows me knows I love pandas
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must be the flatpanel display causing the color problems.

i installed windows xp pro, did all the security and upgrade stuff and updated my display driver and monitor definition.

color still appears incorrect compared to my laptop. i've tried different resolutions, operating systems, etc... must be the mitsubishi flat panel display!

before i purchase another display, i will definately check out the colors first.


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Don't forget scarecrow it could also be a difference in the graphics card.
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OK -- now I'm confused. How do you have a final release (1.5) of Firebird, when firebird was supposedly changed to Firefox do to trademark stuff?
http://firebird.sourceforge.net/

I don't get it.
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It is a little confusing though because the Flash plugin downloads the setup file to your desktop. I'm like where the heck did this get saved to? *lol But it does install very easily this time around..


Yeah, that screwed me up to. You can change the setting in Windows by going to Tools --> options --> Click on downloads and at the top of that screen just select "Ask me where to save the download." But you probably already fixed that by now.
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This topic was old. lol
Mozillia Firefox is great. However, there are still a few sites out there that only work with IE. When are they gonna realize IE is evil?


http://toastytech.com/evil/
there was a funnier page about this, but i couldn't find it

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