your son is GAY???

That is so true, but let's please add straight folks in there too. In fact, let's add a bunch of fashion designers. Sometimes I look at what is called "fashion" and I just want to fall over laughing.

I'll take my jeans, T-shirts, and tennis shoes any day of the week over something that would cost me half a grand and make me look like a circus clown.

Well each one of us have different believes and thoughts but some thought are universaliazed which are based on religion.

Most religion people don't believe on this behavior.

I see that this action is only for human satisfaction nothing else.

But I am sure that with lesbian and gays the society wouldn't benefit from it.

I am a person who believes in God and God has created human in two different type men and women otherwise its human creation.

Some people's beliefs are based on sheer ignorance. To lump any group of people together and say "they're all the same" is ignorant. Stereotyping has nothing to do with religion, and I'm not for one second critisising anyone's beliefs.


So is heterosexual sex using contraception. Is that then just as wrong as gay sex, because if you are not trying to create a baby then it is wrong? There are a million and one things that humans do just for our satisfaction, are all of those wrong too?


The homosexual comunity causes no detriment to society either. Society would probably benefit by stopping stupid people, people with heredetary diseases, people with any other genetic "defect" from breeding. That way we can have a more intellegent, healthier society. Just because the whole would benefit does not make something right, and the reverse does not make something wrong.

Maybe I missed something, but I thought the most basic message that jesus brought to the world was temperence, and not judging others?

and as sean said, religion <i>has</i> got things wrong more often than right.... and more often than not right and wrong are not set in stone.



BTW sean, what is a "gay font", because I'm really curious about that one.

So can u explain why does religion not allow gay and lesbians marriage. U want to tell me that religion has panned this just without any reasons.
and what a Coincidence that most of the religion share the same rule.

but bc human never like to be controlled by others, Thats way we have rape, robberies, killing, war and ....etc

for every cause there is a reason.

one god created human he created first a man and women not man and a man??



that does not make Gay behavior accepted. Sure there are many satisfaction that human do which are wrong, but who has the power to stop them.



That will depend on how u see ur religion.. There are many things that don't have an answer.
why men cant get pregnant.. but scientist are trying to making it happen...hehe.

On the other hand when gay adopt a child, how would the two "fathers" explain to the child what is the differences between the mother and the father, so that means we will have to come up with a third part of education which only concern gays and lesbians.

Child should be grown up with normal parents(father and mother).
For me I don't care what gays do, I see that the problem is our children future.

Also religion has not allowed rapping, so why we don't allow it. U might say here that rape cause harm, and i can say that gays behavior harm my children view of what is life and gender.

I would say here that gays and lesbian destroy the religion rules and human respects to the gender.

Do a search on google for a font called groupsex (all one word), and then imagine a gay version of that. Or a font of muscled men in various positions to form the letters. I need to do a poster for a weekly drag show being named "Hump Daze".

*grins -- don't forget Bluehat, you started the topic. So the replies you get shouldn't come as too much of a shock. I already voiced my opinion once rather clearly if I recall. However, your statement about "most religion people don't believe on this behavior" doesn't seem valid to me. I'm aware of a few Catholic priests that could probably nullify that as invalid pretty readily. Besides, even if one wasn't of the pursuasion to be gay, I'd be willing to place a bet that they probably gave it a thought or two once or twice in their lifetime.

To me the missing statement to that logic is "Most religions don't believe in this behavior. Religious people hold fast to their religious beliefs, therefore, most religious people don't believe on this behavior".

However much that version of the statement appears to be slightly more valid logic, it is still invalid given that neither of the two premises are proven true.

Besides, belief doesn't come into play here. In theory you should believe in it, because it exists. You can choose not to believe in it, but then you are denying reality. Now if we use the statement "most religious people don't agree with this behavior", you may be able to find a way to prove the validity of that, albeit unlikely. It is still a statement of opinion vs. a statement of logic unless you can prove the premise.

Not really, the "rules" were all instigated in a completely different time and culture to our own. A culture where women were second rate citizens and the world and way of life was completely alien to you and me. I'm sure if I asked my mum she would be able to supply me with plenty of examples of "rules" from the bible that have no relevance to the modern world.

If you are wondering about "rules" being in quotes, I'd like to reiterate my previous point that some scholars of the bible will tell you homosexuality is clearly wrong, and other scholors will tell you that there are vague references that could be interpreted in numerous different ways. Please can someone provide me with a reference that sets this in stone - book chapter and verse(s) and I'll look it up. I will also eat my own socks if you can show me something that is not open to interpretation. That should be enough insentive to get people looking.


I would like to point out the number of killings and wars that were (and still are) based upon religion, check out northern ireland for instance - christians killing other christians because they are "the wrong kind of christian"



Christians fed to the lions
The spanish inquisition
The crusades
the holocaust
Northern Ireland
The current "islamic" terrorist movement

All of these had some kind of religious motivation. These things were and are, wrong. You cannot deny that. This is history and fact we are talking about here, it's not open to interpretation as far as I am concerned. Religion has been the cause of many attrocities, and I don't care how you view your religion, none of that was acceptable



Yeah I agree, to think that children might be brought up open minded is a terrnible thought...
I think a gay person has every bit of understanding as to the difference between a man and a woman, it's biology after all.



And I would say that hiding the truth from children will cause much more harm, and will disrespect the child.

And, just as a reminder, I have my sock ready and am waiting for this reference

Regarding children brought up by a gay couple - there is no higher incidence of homosexuality among those children than among children of straight parents. Do you need any more proof than that to understand that gayness has nothing to do with environment. ;););)

BlueHat: It sounds to me that you think children learn anything and everything by being spood fed it through parents and education. Children are smarter than you think, and are often aware of their surroundings even if you hide it from them. Many children of gay parents know and understand the situation their family is in. They still grow up to be who they are, not who someone makes them.

I told myself I was going to aviod this thread, but. I. Can't. Help. It. I'm. Too. Political. AAArrrrrgggg.....

Intolerance, bigotry, prejustice... It's silly. It's pointless, and it makes the world a worse place. If you're that way because of your religion, then your religion is making the world a worse place, even if it's also done great good.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I respect those that post here a great deal (though I've only been here a very short time, and likely have a good amount of time to earn such respect from those here). But I find intolerance and close-mindeness abhorant.

If you happen to know a gay man or woman, and for what ever reason, don't like them... fine. But painting the entire homosexual population as evil, horrible terrible people is insane. It's NO DIFFERENT than the same logic that led to black slavery and apartied (sp?), to the ethnic clensing in Bosnia, the wholesale murder of Jews by the Nazis, the genocide in Rwanda.. the list goes on and on. The idea that anyone you don't even know and have never heard of, is somehow less because they are in some way different that you are is just insane.

Just for the record, I am not homosexual. I do have a number of homosexual friends, both men and women, whose friendships I cherish because they are good people, despite sexual practices I don't happen to find interesting (ok... you know what I mean =]). What's more, my marriage and relationship to my wife is in NO WAY lessened because two men or two women are in love with each other. If anything it's strengthed.

What's the point of marriage, really, if not love? Children? That's it? I can do that without getting married. Taxes? whatever... No, the basis of marriage is love, the other stuff is ancillary, and if you don't belive that... you might think very hard before getting married... spending 30 years with someone you don't love is going to be very difficult...

*sigh*

Sorry, I get really pissed when bigotry rears it's ugly head... I wish it didn't exist.

.c

Nicely said lostinbeta. In addition there are some children that I would much rather see live much happier lives with some gay parents that love them with their life, rather than parents that beat the living crap out of them.

Or even just straight parents who are poor parents (but not abusive). There are so many unqualified parents out there who should be barred from having kids for any number of reasons that it is absurd to bar a perfectly good gay couple from having them simply on the basis of their orientation.

eek, religion appears again, :/ lol
not that i dont agree with the idea of it, but imho religion can be quite a dangerous thing if used/maniplated/taught wrongly as evidenced above.

one thing i must admit that does annoy me very much is large organised religious groups trying to force the idea that theirs is the only true way upon people, i belive that there is no one 'right' way and that people can have their own religious ideas and beliefs whilst still being as, (or indeed more) morally wholesome than other 'mainstream' members.
I think basically i like the idea of freedom of thought without people trying to tell you your going to go to hell because you dont belive in their version lol


as for the gay question, personally i dont have a problem with it at all, i may find some thoughts of it a little ikky simply because i dont feel those kinds of desires/feelings myself, but i have no problem with others being that way if thats how they feel, i mean if it makes them happy then that has to be good, and i can't see an honest reason why a gay couple couldnt raise a child in an equally loving way as a straight couple.

I forgot to use quotes on "great culture", there's supposed to be an irony, because everyone thinks whatever was done then is right. I am aware of what was happening there more than you might think. I know that they were mixed, did I say anyware that only men used to take part? I just used an example showing the "gay nature" of ancient greeks. I should stop here, we are going nowhere.
Sorry, the subject has become a conversation around homosexuality in general, that's why I mentioned.

Yes i know this was posted aawhile ago, but really, its not even the KIDS decision.