Is Google's PR Dead ? I Hope So .....

May 28th, 2005, 4:38 am

Googles PR was an interesting experiment, but it was doomed from the start. Just like the keyword meta tag, people learn't how to play it and how to abuse it. It is the spammers of the world who keep the search engines developing new and better algorithms and we should thank them for this.

Google have obviously lost interest in their own PR system, we knew this when they started doing their quaterly updates. It's time for a new SEO craze .... it's time for "Trust Rank".

The SEO discussion forums are going crazy over the fact that the toolbar PR has dissapeared. Every site around the world is currently "Greyed Out" Will it come back? Who cares ....

Lets take a look at "Trust Rank" - Heres the Stanford White Paper For it -

http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8090/pub/sho ... 004-52.pdf


In a nutshell though it sets up authority trusted sites, and non trusted sites. It does this by manually looking at clusters, and tagging the sites that use spam techniques. Sites that then link to these bad sites will be punished, while sites that stay away from them will be rewarded and sites that get linked to from these 'trusted' sites will be rewarded best of all.

Quote:

Human editors help search engines combat search engine spam, but reviewing all content is impractical. TrustRank places a core vote of trust on a seed set of reviewed sites to help search engines identify pages that would be considered useful from pages that would be considered spam. This trust is attenuated to other sites through links from the seed sites.

So what does this mean for you?

Well your going to have to rethink the way your inbound link campaigns are run. Your going to seriously have to vary your inbound anchor text links, your going to have to seek out related sites rather than getting links from everywhere...

This isn't new, this isn't big news, but IMO last night, it was implemented......

May 28th, 2005, 5:45 am

by clicking on that link has frozen my comp...

May 28th, 2005, 5:51 am

Fitness4Living wrote:

by clicking on that link has frozen my comp...

Its a PDF - you need adobe acrobat to read it.

May 28th, 2005, 7:24 am

On what sites/forum did you see it(Except webmasterworld)

May 28th, 2005, 7:37 am

Jess wrote:

Googles PR was an interesting experiment, but it was doomed from the start. Just like the keyword meta tag, people learn't how to play it and how to abuse it. It is the spammers of the world who keep the search engines developing new and better algorithms and we should thank them for this.

Google have obviously lost interest in their own PR system, we knew this when they started doing their quaterly updates. It's time for a new SEO craze .... it's time for "Trust Rank".

you might be tought that i am thinking like evil! But i have a highly bad feeling about your comment. Because i am looking to this Google Matter as a business administrator more than a SEO nor a web hosting guy.

You are partially right according to me, yes Google Attention decreased on PageRank system however like all the enermous global companies, Google do not make the people decide according to their wishes but they decide according to the people[market] decides, changes, new habits..
I believe that Google start to think that they eat all the cream of that system called PageRank and finished its cream by the 302hijacker tough which is realted with AdWords revenue boosting. I believe that Google eaten whole of the existing cream of the PegeRank system bulkly via 302hijackers by AdWords which was also make people to loose all of their trust to sooner past PR records and rankings so they planned that new system called Trusted Rank to create a new big cream to eat it by itself by giving a NEO feeling to the Google users that they have created a new smart trusted system...
I have got a very bad feeling about google new Trusted Rank systems but i know that Google guys are too smart to be able to create new things that make them earn more and be more popular, too much, whenever they started loose their trust and popularity and it seems Google will be on TOP forever..

[ATNO/TW]

May 28th, 2005, 8:15 am

Dead or not remains to be seen. However, it still should not deter webmasters from administering good SEO practices. I'm inclined to agree with Jess. PR was never something I paid much attention to anyway. From the time I started applying good SEO practices (excepting the short two month period after the feb 05 update) I have had the bulk of my prefered keywords and key phrases place in the top ten or twenty consistantly. And all I'm doing is just simply applying the advice of the SEO experts. I avoid link farms, I attempt to get backlinks on related sites, and I work very hard to make sure my content is search engine friendly. As long as that continues to work, I don't care if PR is ever available again. Our site has / had) a PR of 4, and yet, our primary key phrase is now number 1 out of over 600,000 results for a very generic phrase. I'll take that any day of the week, since it also happens to be our domain name phrase.

May 28th, 2005, 10:30 am

Take a look here: http://toolbar.google.com/index_2
No PR on the bar

May 28th, 2005, 11:40 am

thank you for that post jess, very interesting PDF. im glad i didnt impliment any of the bad techniques listed in it.

its an ever changing world.

May 28th, 2005, 12:11 pm

After a lil research:
What happened to Google PageRank?
-Maybe it's just an update, but it would be very improbable.
-Maybe they're hiding the PageRank from us, so that we can't view our PageRank anymore.
-As many figured out to 'hack' PageRank, they are gonna change PageRank and have Trust Rank instead. Just google it if you want to know something more about Trust Rank.

My opinion: I have some proof, I will show you them, so I really think they're gonna remove it.
1. PageRank = the end, will be replaced by Trust Rank.
2. PageRank = the 'end', we will not be able to view it anymore.
3. It isn't just a fix or update.

Proof:
-As you can notice, the Google PageRank bar is GREY. Normally, you got a white bar when you got 0/10.
-English GooglePR site: http://toolbar.google.com/, as you can see on the 'screenshot', there's no more PageRank on it. So Google changed the imaged and deleted PageRank, that WAS on it earlier. Check another language of the site, and you'll see the image WITH the PageRank on it, so that's obvious that they deleted it.

Ok, well that's it, that's all I know. I hope this post was useful for you all.

May 28th, 2005, 12:31 pm

I have noticed that the pagerank bar to the left of listings in the google directory still appear. If you click on that bar it still takes you to the page explaining their pagerank technology.

I will say that the only real value I saw in pagerank is what I had for the informational sites and directories I use for trading links. There is such a focus on pagerank people want a reciprocal from a page with good pagerank. With that it was easier to get people to agree.

May 28th, 2005, 1:50 pm

Yambot wrote:

Take a look here: http://toolbar.google.com/index_2
No PR on the bar

It always appeared like that. PR was an option you had to make visible by going into your settings and activating it.

[ATNO/TW]

May 28th, 2005, 2:02 pm

What's the point of this conversation? Unflux used to have as his signature " the only constant is change" (or something close to that) -- so Google wants to change? I say let them. Don't get stuck in a rut and run with the dogs.

May 28th, 2005, 3:21 pm

Hi,

Google toolbar PR has disappeared many times before.


My guess is this is just a change in the way the PR value is sent to
the toolbar from the datacenter.

This will make all the new PR "finder" software useless until the
vendor or script author figures out the new code.

QUOTE:
"Google Toolbar 3 out - grey bars everywhere (Marketing Fan - Internet Advertising and Marketing tricks, 2005-03-04)
New Google Toolbar 3 beta is out... see this Google toolbar post for some features... Interesting find is that many sites - big ones, even Google itself show grey bars... which means that the PR query and checksum was changed..."

quoted from: http://www.webrankinfo.com/english/seo- ... c-1219.htm

That article was written about three months ago.

To learn more about this just search for 'pagerank checksum'


The auto-updating toolbar is currently Version 2.0.114.9


just one man's thoughts.

Bompa

May 28th, 2005, 7:26 pm

If Goolge is not willing to display a Google PR system then someones else will come up with another way of presenting PR on another based fashion.

One way or another, there will be some kind of system from todays date on that will estimate a websites importance among the www .

May 29th, 2005, 3:37 am

No more PageRank ...... Interesting, this issue has been widely discussed all over the world, I have seen this Section in almost all site and forums that i visit.