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Post July 28th, 2004, 1:41 am

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Nice come back phaugh ... Always nice when somebody busts another Google myth. :lol:


Ouch! :(

Good point but you are comparing apples with pears.

I did not say domains hosted on the same IP has less value or greater. Why would it that would be stupid I have many of my own sites on the same IP. The comments regarding web hosts was said because I stupidly presumed some one was talking about them being interlinked.

I said inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s and this is honestly true.
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Post July 28th, 2004, 9:08 am

nice point abt the virtual hosting mate!

btw johan007, can you show me linky of what you are saying here..

I luv to read on them. :-)
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Post July 28th, 2004, 1:24 pm

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can you show me linky of what you are saying here


Yeah Johan007, I would like to see the authority (quote, study, proof) for what you you are saying too. Where did you get this info?

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inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s


I have not seen any evidence of this in my sites. Some of my sites are interlinked (with few external backlinks) and they still get good PR and rank well in searches.
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Post July 28th, 2004, 6:06 pm

"I said inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s and this is honestly true."..yes you are absolutely correct....sorry I miss understood...but we did get some good in fo on virtual hosting in the process....so all is well.

To confirm your quote I use 2 different hosts for my sites and get a big boost when I link from one to the other vs. linking from sites on the same server....especially when I only link one way....and don't recip back.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 1:13 am

Let me start from the beginning.

You know Google Ranks web results on many factors and the most powerful of them all are the number of back links (the other being the link text).

If the back links all come from the same IP address it will still rank with loads of PageRank but not as well as a page that is linked from multiple IP addresses.

A good forum for this is...
http://www.v7n.com/forums/

phaugh wrote:
To confirm your quote I use 2 different hosts for my sites and get a big boost when I link from one to the other vs. linking from sites on the same server....especially when I only link one way....and don't recip back.

Yeah its a positive thing however IMO only ads 1 more IP address.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 3:24 am

hi there, an article/study on what you have claimed about different IP will be beneficial and good reading...

you gave a linky of a forum.

sorry mate, I have read some myths and bad sources on seo before and
it confused me a great deal. bad start.

any better linky ?
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Post July 29th, 2004, 4:03 am

No authorities articles have been published on the topic that I know of. All I can say is it is the real reason for the “Sandbox” effect.

The examples I have are personal to me and others - sorry.

I rather not discuss any more on this topic as it could harm my relationship with this excellent forum. Feel free to carry on without me.
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Post July 29th, 2004, 7:44 pm

Johan007

Don't take it personal, we are looking for the truth just like you.

I am sure that you don't have to worry about hurting anyone's feelings around here. I have made MORE than my share of apologies :)

I do know myself and others on this forum, try to bust many of the Google myths that are circulating in many of the lesser forums. :lol:

Here is some excerpts from a related study that hit my mailbox some time ago ...

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Do Static IP Sites Rank Higher?
by Jon Ricerca
http://www.SearchEngineGeek.com

Some SEOs theorize that your choice of dedicated hosting
vs. shared hosting might affect your rankings. Some others
claim that is ridiculous because all hosting will
eventually be shared in order to preserve IP addresses.
Which are correct?

I decided to run it through our statistical analysis
engine to get the facts. Here is the methodology I used to
answer this question. I gathered the results of the
queries naturally performed last month by myself and three
associates using Yahoo and Google. I then pinged each site
to get it's IP address. I then tried to visit the site
using the IP address. With shared hosting, this isn't
possible. You get some kind of generic page instead of the
specific site you want. I tallied my results for each of
the first eight rankings.

http://www.SearchEngineGeek.com/graphs/de05.gif

First, it is interesting to note that the number of sites
using shared vs. dedicated hosting is just about half and
half. We expect that as time goes on, more and more sites
will be using shared hosting.

Conclusion:

Sites using static hosting do not rank significantly
higher or lower than sites using shared hosting on both
Yahoo and Google.

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Post July 30th, 2004, 1:21 am

Yeah that was a stupid myth.

I am trying to find alternative evidence to prove the inbound link theory but with so many variables its proving to be a bit difficult.

On thing I did two months ago was set up a page for the term “Further Education Jobs”. The top page I had to beet had only had 10 inbound links all from unique IP’s (so did most of the others). I set about trying to beat that site with 300 inbound links from only 2 IP addresses. I only made it onto the second page - just. My page even had a PR of 6 and on page optimisations.
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Post July 30th, 2004, 1:45 am

Exactly what is the criteria.
Is it different IPs or IP ranges??
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Post July 30th, 2004, 1:49 am

Deferent Class C IP's I believe (IP ranges) making it expensive for spammers.

I am NOT saying that same IP defferant domain inbound links structure is being penalised (cos we could do it to a competitor) but dealt in a similar way as internal site links.

The theory being that SEOPeople/Spammers cant just point loads of deferent URL at a site (Though it still works to a degree it slowly being phased out but the most significant drop was during the "Sand Box" time I think in December. There are loads of misleading theories for Sandbox).

There are 3 major variables in ranking:

1. Number unique IP’s linking to it
2. PageRank shown on toolbar (number based on the PR of all inbound links)
3. Link Text
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Post July 30th, 2004, 1:04 pm

Like what rtchar had said, we are looking for truth.
I first started reading seo on some misleading sites and thos sites got me concepts real messed up. Thats why I am taking a pinch of what I read now. no hard feelings! :-)

I have suspected that different ips make a difference in google before. like yrself. The only way to check if this is a myth or not, was to check it out with guys with tons of sites. ... to see if having different ips will affect sites n link exchanges..

I did just that (asked my web host, Axe n a couple of other friends abt this) and it seems that having sites on same ip has not affected the sites/link exchanges. in regards to google of cuz..

after verification with a few others, I am pretty well assured that having sites on same ip will not affect the sites at all.

.....my rationale coming up....
web design companies will be in for a fair bit of work if google value sites of same ip less...I don suppose google will do that either.

personal servers n ip will be at disadvantage if google does that.
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Post July 30th, 2004, 2:22 pm

No problem but I have never written anything about what is in your rationale. I agree with your rationale. As long as you understand I am talking about something deferent here we are cool.
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Post July 30th, 2004, 9:45 pm

yep I see what you are saying.. :-)
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Post July 30th, 2004, 11:27 pm

Well Johan007 ... it appears the latest newsletter agrees with you :)

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Currently the biggest factor in Google's search relevancy is getting many keyword rich links from a large variety of C block IP addresses. Getting a bunch of links from a single source is easy. Getting links from many different sources is much more time consuming and expensive.


Full article at http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/seo/wpn-4-20040730PageRankaTrueCommodity.html

But again no authorities, studies or Google quotes ... do You believe him?
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