Page Rank Update Megathread (update 31.12.2009)

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Anyone notice it? Today the search results from Google have changed quite dramatically since a previous dramatic change in January --- is this just for Germany, or is anyone else out there seeing new changes?
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Hmm, they changed dramatically for me about a week ago, I wonder if that is the one you are seeing?
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Yes, the update is Brandy. The results are as good, if not better than in early November, before Florida and Austin. Im not just saying that because the clients I lost are now all back in top positions either ;-)
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So now we've had Florida, Austin, and Brandy -- where does the name Brandy come from? Any theories on what changes have been added/removed to Google's ranking algorithm?
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From what I can tell they are giving more importance back to the anchor text, and are also relaxing the strictness of the previoius algorithm where they penalize sites that seem to be overoptimized. As to why they are calling this one Update Brandy, I couldn't tell ya.
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It's because they came up with the idea when they'd been drinking for a coupla hours ;)
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I don't know where the name came from, but it starts with B because its the next letter in the alphabet, kinda like how they name hurricanes.

I am really loving this update, not only are all my sites that fell to the earlier updates back, but the relevancy seems to have increased.
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How did we go from Florida to Austin? Last time I checked G would be next.
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It starts over in the new year.
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They gave more weight to the site content rather than the backlinks and they are working very hard as they do not care so many bugs while updating mosdtly directory listing.
The old , mainly new algorithm which is built %90 of the backlinks were just caused to the spam - they have to think that before but anyway they are changing this - balancing with the site content , also they want to give chance to new sites by new ranking parameters.

Where do i know :idea: i just put myself to theirs :P
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Ops its not just the guess , i want to mean that i see it very clearly from my search results change , very radical change-raise altough pr of 1 one of my site - really iam ranking, i only guess the reason of that.
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They started changing last night as a matter of fact. We had been testing a new instant ranking tool http://4retards.com/ibl/ranker.php and we saw all kinds of fluctuations all night. Reminded me sorta of the old dance :P

In my opinion, the new rolling update is a good thing. It means we dont have to wait a full month for SERP changes.
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The changes to the google serps have been happening daily for quite a while now. I have been using a ranking tool for Google for almost 6 months now. Daily serp changes are nothing new.
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Just got news in that Google is in the process of updating backlinks and Pagerank. At least one datacenter that is showing the new PR and backlinks which is located at this IP:

http://66.102.9.104/
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Woohoo!!! If I go to the new site (the one I've been waiting to get sorted in Google for about 2 1/2 months now), right click, and view backlinks, nothing, nadda, zilch, zero, empty...

I replace http://www.google.com with 66.102.9.104, and up comes "Results 1 - 10 of about 514" - So, it's started to add them!! :)

Hopefully they'll hit the real thing soon :)

Is there a way to find out how this datacenter rates your PR? I haven't found a way in the Google toolbar to input a custom IP to get PR from (can it be edited via the registry? Or do you think it's hard-coded into the toolbar?)
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Yes, you can see the new PR on websites by placing this line in your hosts file which basically makes toolbarqueries.google.com use the new IP:

66.102.9.104 toolbarqueries.google.com

On windows XP the hosts file is located in this directory:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc

Now when you goto websites you will see the new PR in your toolbar. Remember to take it out of the hosts file when you are done with it.
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So if I didnt get any results for a link:www.floridafishandhunt.com
on that address does that mean I wont be jumping on the wagon this time?

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That would be correct Doug, you probably missed this wagon.
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I jump pr4 from pr1 :? , also it gives pr4 to half of my subpages and pr0 to others but the backlinks that results are at least 3 weeks old. I wish google is still updating ... or i had missed the most of the links that i had get at this last three week.
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Thats cool. I wont flip out :evil: haha

Question:
I have probably 15 to 20 links out there that were live before last nights backlink and page rank update.
The sites that had live links to my site all had a good to better than average pr.
Does google look at how long those backlinks have been there and only post them once they have been on a site for a certain amount of time?
Or, Does Google see the link go to my page, deem it as sucky and decide not to list the backlinks?
I am asking this to see if I am doing something wrong, Or do I just need to remain calm and patient and know that one day I will see them.
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Is it possible that they are still updating :hmm: I'm seeing 8 backlinks on http://66.102.9.104/ but none on http://www.google.com. I know I have at least 40 backlinks with pr4 and above :?:
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Google is not showing the any backlinks that have been setup at the last 3 weeks.
I think those are the results of an update which is nearly 2-3 weeks ago.
Also google made a big crawl which is 2-3days ago and those results (pr and the backlinks) to be appeared in next weeks.
But the search results are updating nearly real time and become more stabil this week.
Also it seems like google gives more weight to the dmoz listed pages :?:
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Here is something wierd.
I have had a pr of 0 since I started my site.
Last night when i read this thread I had a pr of 0 on http://www.google.com
and a pr of 0 that ip address big web posted.

This morning I just checked and I have a pr of 1 on http://www.google.com
and a pr of 0 on that same ip bigweb posted last night.
Isnt that strange?

Hey I am stoked I have a pr of 1.
BEERS ARE ON ME!
-Doug

Btw I love this forum.
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what in the hell?
I just checked google again and my pr is down to a 0 again.
It changed in a matter of 5 mins.
What do you all show my pr as?
http://www.floridafishandhunt.com
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floridafishandhunt.com wrote:
what in the hell?
I just checked google again and my pr is down to a 0 again.
It changed in a matter of 5 mins.
What do you all show my pr as?
http://www.floridafishandhunt.com

I see pr of 1 but!

EVERYONE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS ?
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Anyone remember my prediction? I said it would come on St. Patties Day! ;-)

First recent site PR3, now PR6
Second recent site PR0, now PR5
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floridafishandhunt.com wrote:
what in the hell?
I just checked google again and my pr is down to a 0 again.
It changed in a matter of 5 mins.
What do you all show my pr as?
http://www.floridafishandhunt.com


Clear your cache.....your PR is 1
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vetofunk wrote:
Anyone remember my prediction? I said it would come on St. Patties Day! ;-)

First recent site PR3, now PR6
Second recent site PR0, now PR5


How did you get into google's directory :?:
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Through DMOZ. Though there has not been an update since early Novemeber. I am an editor for DMOZ and there are no answers yet on the delay.
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ok 8)
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Yeah, the site I've been working on went straight in from a 0/10 PR (I put the site up at the end of December), and this morning, live on Google, it's got a 5/10 PR with 514 PR4+ backlinks.
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mmm mmm, is there any sight so great as to see hundreds of backlinks where once there was none.
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Hey everone. I was just reading an article on google and SEO.
This guys said joing a link farm or link ring is a really bad idea?
Is this true, or speculative?
I joined one called the florida hunting trail you can see it at the bottom of my page.
http://www.floridafishandhunt.com
Do you all advise against this?

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It's not that they're necessarily a BAD idea, at least not the one you've implemented, it's just the way that particular one is implemented, it's not going to help you with any search engines...

The actual HTML code for that bit of the page (and all the links it entails) isn't actually in your HTML source. Instead it pulls some javascript...

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       <!-- The OutdoorRings.com fragment -The Florida Hunting Trail-->
       <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="http://www.OutdoorRings.com/frag.php?FRM=12855&RN=14"></SCRIPT>
       <!--end of The OutdoorRings.com Ring fragment -The Florida Hunting Trail-->
  1.        <!-- The OutdoorRings.com fragment -The Florida Hunting Trail-->
  2.        <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="http://www.OutdoorRings.com/frag.php?FRM=12855&RN=14"></SCRIPT>
  3.        <!--end of The OutdoorRings.com Ring fragment -The Florida Hunting Trail-->


Google (and most any other search engine) doesn't understand, and therefore doesn't read JavaScript code.

So, even if links to your site are being displayed on other sites in the ring, Google isn't picking up on those.

Webrings like that, which use JavaScript to display it are purely for human traffic. Even if there's 1,000 other sites in the ring, and they are all linking to you in the ring code, it won't make a bit of difference to Google and other search engines.
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vetofunk wrote:
Anyone remember my prediction? I said it would come on St. Patties Day! ;-)


You definetely nailed that one. When do you predict the next update will be. I want to see if you just got lucky or if you have some magical insight :)
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He's the Google CEO in disguise ;)
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floridafishandhunt.com wrote:
what in the hell?
I just checked google again and my pr is down to a 0 again.
It changed in a matter of 5 mins.
What do you all show my pr as?
http://www.floridafishandhunt.com

I see PR1 too.

My brand new site (less then a month old) jumped up from PR0 to PR4 :) But google shows only a few backlinks - may be next month it will show all of them.
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Uh oh....my secret's out. Quiet everyone, or ill change all your pr's to 0!
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Just looked at my blog, jumped from a PR of 3 to a 5. Haven't even done anything to it in weeks. I am liking this update more and more.
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Just looked at my blog, jumped from a PR of 3 to a 5. Haven't even done anything to it in weeks. I am liking this update more and more.


You dont ever have to do anything. PR is only updated beyond google's initial ranking by aquiring inbound links. Check your IBL's and you should see some new ones.
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True, but I didnt expect my PR to increase when I havent found new links in forever. And I know my blog isnt one that people would want to link to, afterall new posts are added maybe once a month.
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some people link to blogs for a single quote that catches their attention.
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vetofunk wrote:
Uh oh....my secret's out. Quiet everyone, or ill change all your pr's to 0!


Change mine to PR10, and I'll donate ya a coupla points, hehe ;)
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http://www.google.com/search?q=floridaf ... 8&filter=0


wooohooooo My stuff is starting to get spidered (Ithink)

I typed in floridafishandhunt

and clicked the omitted results text and saw my pages there.
That hasnt happened before.
I was so excited I almost wet myself.
Heh.

I then typed T.M. Goodwin which was the name of an article I wrote on a duck hunting spot and I was in the top 4 or 5

I then tried florida fishing of course no luck.

As my page rank goes up does my position on searched terms go up?

Thanks Guys!

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these are your indexed pages so far
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:floridafishandhunt.com+inurl:floridafishandhunt.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=0

I'm very exited too - we've got PR4 and 85 pages indexed just after 3 weeks of beeing lunched :)

Good luck to everyone!
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My page rank was a 1 earlier today and then I just went to my site and my pr was a 3?
Did something happen I wasnt aware of?
DOug

***I also noticed some of my other pages within my site went from 0's to 2's and my forums are even a two!
WOOOHOOO***
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Still showing as PR1 here
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DUDE !
WTH
I just looked back and it shows pr1.
I havent done drugs for a few years now.
Whats that all about?
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Image

I AM NOT HIGH!
anyway.
I just checked and in the last 15 mins it was gone from 1 to 3 to 1 to 3
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woot, it looks like google is updating their databases

EDIT: just checked my site, it was updated from 3 to 5, It must have heppened at most 30 minutes ago, woohoo
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this is the first flashback I have had but not had.
WOOOHOOOO!
I AM A PR 3. MY NEW NAME IS PRPIMP
D-
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There was some suggestion in other places in the last day or so that a pr/ibl update was starting as some fluctuations were being seen. Its now official that the update is going on. I went from a pr1 and pr0 on my two sites to pr4 on both (so far today). Hang on floridafishandhunt, its only going to get better from here. :wink:
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NICE! MMM MMM, love to see PR6's. Ill have to see my overall positioning change if there is one tomorrow.
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Not much changed with the latest update except many of the back links with PR 4+ are not counted for my site :(

Just for example: link:www.cyberax.net

do not show http://www.AussieSubmit.com in its link popularity results. Whereas I can see that all the links on this site are PR4 or more.

Any change with the Google Indexing Engine ?
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vetofunk wrote:
I am liking this update more and more.


I'm not, I'm hating it... one of my sites went from PR6 to PR5, and another from PR5 to PR4 :(
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Well then you will love the fact that a new PR/IBL update started yesterday and is showing strong today. I expect it to last til friday morning.
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It's the new update that caused 'em to go down :(
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Dont fret yet. So far on 4 boards i visit, everyone is seeing some rather odd stuff. Give it til friday before worrying too hard on it. Everythings bounching like mad right now.
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As we all know Google Bot are on duty 24/7 spidering the Internet and updating its Google Document Server and Index Servers (not to be confused with PageRank which updates once in 4 weeks)

So with the change in the same slight changes are always noticed in Google Results.
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Yeah, still sucks though, lol.
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I don't know about you dudes, but ozzu ROCKS! My new website (that I haven't pay attention too much) has 5 backlinks on big G from this forum :) The homepage pr still 4 (but hey, the site is less than 2 months old - no content yet) and now deep dynamic interior pages got indexed too - woohoooo! All my client;s site went up +1 in PR :) No changes in SERPS though - still #1 for all main keyphrases :lol:
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With the new update I observed a peculiar change:

The update is the result of incomplete indexing as most of the sites with which we share reciprical linking and PR4+ are not counted in the Google Link popularity search result.

Example: http://www.cyberax.net (PR6)

It do not show http://www.aussiesubmit.com in the link popularity result for the above mentioned domain even though all the links on that page has our link and also have PR4.

For newbies a quick note: Do not expect a huge leap in your PR with Link Exchange with non related sites.
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Not seeing any change in my SERP's anyone else?

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Nope, no unusal change with any of my clients.
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Have noticed this thing with all my sites. Might be due to the neighbourhood factor.

Quite Tip:
Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.
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I think that should be well known, but if people still are, its a good tip.

The last few updates have shown the "bad neighborhood" penalty may exist. Thats why you should just get links from relevant sites.
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I went down this month too (so far). Was wondering, do the SERPS update a few days later? Or is this it? Because the PR may be bouncing around, the search results aren't. Are the major SERPS updates done?
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well the serps move daily, there is no "google dance" anymore...i havent seen any big jumps to all 300 major keywords on my clients sites.
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With the new update one thing I noticed that when you search for "hosting in USA" without quotes and you see our site ranked #2.

Why not #1 :)

Now all the pages in our website are PR4+ (with homepage at PR6)

Is the current Google Dance over or we still need to wait ?
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Not all your pages are PR4+ :)
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Hi Axe,

You are sharp to pick up that :)

Thanks for taking time to visit our web site :)

Cheers
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They can have big changes, almost everyday. Somedays my sites will change 5 positions, other days they may change 20. You really do not notice them unless you monitor them daily.
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Yeh, its neverending really. As soon as a spidering run is complete they rerank the pages that were included in that run. Then the process starts over with the next batch.
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so..what about the sandbox theory? Does it still exist after this major change?
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what major change?
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This change. I was under the impression many experienced this?


dr nick wrote:
Anyone notice it? Today the search results from Google have changed quite dramatically since a previous dramatic change in January --- is this just for Germany, or is anyone else out there seeing new changes?
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The sandbox theory is just a theory. I am not sure how that works with the daily changes most sites see.

With anyone who has never heard of this theory:
http://www.webpronews.com/insiderreport ... ealed.html
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It has been long time since Google had done the last PR and backlink update. I am eagerly awaiting for this update.

Any idea when it is going to occur next ?

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the guys in ozzu mentioned that it will be end of this month.
I am eagerly waiting for it too!
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May 30th ;-)
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Yes i was confirmed it too, according to the past three month google habit, at this weekend there must be big crawl and radical changements with syncs of google servers and once this was happened , you will see updated pr's at least 2 days later.
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Confirmed?..really...well this was just my guessing (prediction).
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the guys in ozzu mentioned that it will be end of this month.
I am eagerly waiting for it too!
"i was confirmed" this only, you always undestand me wrong veto :P
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Ohhhh hahaha...my bad Dolay ;-)
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For some reason, it seemed to take a long time -- this time.

When they update the PR, are they counting links from 1 month ago or are the links pretty up to date?
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It has not been that long. There was a delay earlier in the year to the extent of 2 1/2 months.
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Actually I meant May 31st!
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yeah.. right we know it. you meant 31st May 2004 :)
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Hi Friends...

As we all predicted Google is doing a deep crawl on all my websites so it may be assumed that the backlink and PR update is to be coming up anytime soon. Probably 2nd June ?

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Hopefully soon.
1st, or 2nd June sounds good~ :P
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I am monitoring PR and backlink update for around 60 domains. I see an increase in Backlink but no change has been observed in the PageRank.

As BigWebmaster said:

This datacenter IP has the new results (as well as many more):

216.239.41.104

We need to wait sometime more before it really start showing up the PR change.

Has anyone changed the HOSTS file to test the PR ?

With Best Regards,
Vijay Bhatter
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Sorry.. I missed to thank VetoFunk for predicting the date for the update correct.

You are cool !!!

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Hmm... maybe we should speak to B_Heyer, get him to run a new competition.. "When is Google's next update?"

Although, it wouldn't be too fun if vetofunk got to win it EVERY time ;)
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any idea when is the next?
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I think this should be on 28th June ;)

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I think it will be on the 4th. of July.
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how abt 2nd june? lol.
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We will soon find it out.

I would propose Ozzu's webmaster to start a contest "Guess the Backlink Update" on the forum.

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Looks like google just ran an update. My 1 month old page just jumped from 0PR to 4PR
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Do you mean like today or in the beginning of June?
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DavyDuke17 wrote:
Do you mean like today or in the beginning of June?


My PR just changed tonight. (6/22)
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Yup I am seeing PR values updating as well. I am not seeing any changes in backlinks on any datacenters though.
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Bigwebmaster wrote:
Yup I am seeing PR values updating as well. I am not seeing any changes in backlinks on any datacenters though.


my backlinks updated to 2... and they both have a PR of 1 !! I know i have many backlinks ranging from PR4-PR7. Guess it's behind...
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Nevermind, I am seeing backlinks updating as well now. So looks like a full blown update possibly.
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my backlinks updated too and PR went to 7 finally :)
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I havent noticed any changes at all, but one of my pages has a PR of 0, but If I look at the cached page, and it shows PR2....weird.
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Jimmie wrote:
I havent noticed any changes at all, but one of my pages has a PR of 0, but If I look at the cached page, and it shows PR2....weird.


Could be the cache page was taken on a updated data center and the one you're getting a PR0 on hasn't updated yet to be in sync with the others.

My web site is jumping back and forth from 0PR to 4PR... It will settle soon :D
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Yeah definately a full update.

Google took me by surprise. It has been only 3 weeks since the last update. This time I think the Google snapshot is from the around the last update. I still need to se my Dmoz listing which came around june 5th.
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Solutions wrote:
Yeah definately a full update.

Google took me by surprise. It has been only 3 weeks since the last update. This time I think the Google snapshot is from the around the last update. I still need to se my Dmoz listing which came around june 5th.


You really think it's only from the last update ??? How far behind does google usually run ?
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It's definitely not newer data, because I have several hundred pages that are not indexed.
It's not too far outdated, but it's not absolutely current.

I'm still happy with the results though, I made some good progress with this update. :mrgreen:
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I see PR ....

Jumped from 10 to 40 backlinks and went to PR-5!

Still missing a lot of PR-4 links from March and April?

Most recent link added 05/18/04 ... any one see links newer than that?

BTW - none from this forum though :wink:
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Well the new Google Update is out. We made quite good progress as expected.

Now waiting for the SERPs to start showing the changes with the recent PR update.

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My PR is still the same. But the number of backlinks to my site have been decreased :? Most sites i do have a link exchange with aren't listed if i try to search in google for these sites... (link:www.gsmfan.com) Anyone knows what the problem is :?:
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I'm so happy, so very happy :lol: , FINALLY jumped out of that dreaded PR 4, backlinks have still not settled though, it seems as though they are still updating, i'm seeing a couple backlinks with PR 2 showing up ........ :roll:
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UNFLUX wrote:
It's definitely not newer data, because I have several hundred pages that are not indexed.
It's not too far outdated, but it's not absolutely current.


I agree with this. I had a ton of PR updates including 7 PR3 jumping to PR6, but the pages indexed are really old pages. All my new pages show as cached on Google, but they still have PR0.
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My Directory went up to PR 7 as well as quite a few other directories that have been the same PR for quite some time. We have a lot more PR 7 & 8 directories now.
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I just noticed a pretty large increase in backlinks yesterday. I hope the that serps notice it as well. :)
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My second site has been up for 3 weeks and received a PR2.. any hints as to what I may do to improve this?
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Mista wrote:
My second site has been up for 3 weeks and received a PR2.. any hints as to what I may do to improve this?


You need more time, and links. You will see it go up in the next update.
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Add your site to your profile.
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my forum's main page is a pr6, and the topics have a pr4
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we finally made to PR7 :) but backlinks are old, hm
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That may be because the number of back links from Ozzu forum has gone down according to when I had a look on my site. However the number of back links on average went up for me.
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I just checked. My backlinks went from 11 to 48. I haven't seen any PR changes though.
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hi,
exactly how many more new topics are you going to post abt google update??
I have just read yr previous post.
now, I am reading the same stuffs from the same guy again.
what the point mate?
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yeah, bbott1982, you don't need to bring this topic up every day, but it does indeed look like there's an update about to start.

I signed up for the Google alerts a few weeks ago, and just received a list of changes on a link: query to one of my sites.
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Something IS afoot at Google ...

My links dropped to 23 from 40 ... the links showing now are the ones missing from back in Feb-Mar. Almost all are newly listed (not contained in the 40 showing from this morning).

Hope this is just one of the Google Dances and it will straighten itself back out.

PR is unchanged :)

Anyone else seeing strange things with back links?
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Anyone else seeing strange things with back links?


Yeah i see something strange and I don't like it - eventhough it might be fair enough :cry:

I have checked all the ODP editor sites that I know and backlinks from editor profiles are not showing in the backlinks right now. I hope that is only temporarly...I know some would say that this is only fair sice these links often generates a PR6 or PR7...

I hate this update and really hope it is only just begun...please Google don't let this be what I have waited for :shock:

My backlinks went from 93 to 23. I have some pages showing a PR of 5 with no backlinks?
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I have 100+ backlinks with PR0...go figure
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i had 181 backlinks for both my domain names...
now im down to 5 on both....no way
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I see a lot of sites with many more backlinks showing up now. The thing is none of these sites have any new PR. Same PR as before. 1 site went from under 1000 backlinks to 9000 backllinks. PR staying the same.
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Mine went up a little bit...but I am seeing sites with ODP data linking to me with PR of 0 in my backlinks alot...Also it seems like there are many backlinks over PR4 that were there last update that have dissapeared. Very weird.
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This is quite a strange update. I have checked most of the forums and everyone confirmed no PR Update. Our site Backward Links went from 239 to 721 (but no PR change).

Even more importantly it is showing even links with PR 1-3 also as before it was only PR4 or above.

So what you all guys think that google is upto ?

And if any notice a change in PR do update us on the forum.

Cheers,
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I don't know... but I've seen PR0-3 pages showing up in the backlinks results on the LAST update too, not just this one.

I've heard speculation that Google maybe mixing the backlinks results to prevent people from harvesting high PR sites pointing to their competitors to gather more backlinks for themselves.
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"I've heard speculation that Google maybe mixing the backlinks results to prevent people from harvesting high PR sites pointing to their competitors to gather more backlinks for themselves." - but don't we have tools like PROG that allow us to see PR anway? If that were the case then they sould just stop showing PR.
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Any one notice that there are database type links this time also?

I have one link listed in my backlinks as ... http://www.domain.com/cgi-bin/links/rate.cgi?ID=483. I let that one drop because I did not expect credit for this type of link.

Another one has my complete URL listed in the content of the page, but the link is ... http://www.domain.com/redirect.php/action/links/goto/58?

Interesting backlinks. :)
Guess I have to review those sites that are not direct links?
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phaugh wrote:
"I've heard speculation that Google maybe mixing the backlinks results to prevent people from harvesting high PR sites pointing to their competitors to gather more backlinks for themselves." - but don't we have tools like PROG that allow us to see PR anway? If that were the case then they sould just stop showing PR.

From what I've heard it's specifically because we CAN now so easily see the PR that Google are changing this.

Before, even if you got a list of somebody's backlinks, it was still a lot of work to visit each of these sites, get the PR through the toolbar, and figure out who was worth trading a link with, or convincing to link to you.

Now, it's a lot easier to see at a glance on a page who is high PR, which seems to be why the backlinks lists have become a little muddied, showing many more PR0-3 pages, and actually not showing all high PR pages in the results (I've seen many large sites LOSE big numbers backlinks SERPS, yet in reality, the pages linking to their URL has actually gone up).
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Seems like a lot of work for Google to protect MY backlinks. I think there is a deeper point we are missing here. The problem is that by the time the links are reported as backlinks your competition has 1-2 months jump on you.

Backlinks and PR is easy to get. I put my link harvester up here:
http://www.mrktcity.com/linkpr.html

I can take any link page and pull all the external links ... then query all the site PR's from Google.

PROG was so much better because it gave the page rank of the page containing the link.

Next week Ill put my database link harvester out there....
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I'm seeing internal backlinks that are 5 clicks away from a PR5 page....these pages have always had low PR..1 or 2. My internal pages that are linked directly to the front page (PR5) are not all listed...and the PR indicator on the toolbar says the pages are PR0...anyone else see this type of behavior?
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dmoz.org editor link does show up - well mine does :P

back links from OZZU have gone :cry: but it has not hit bigwebmaster.com in any other way. This is weird cos other forum links are showing up including phpBB.com that never used to show up. Sites with less than PR4 are also showing up however ranking has not changed.
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I don't think it is over yet. I have been reading in some other forums and a lot of users are saying the same things. Everyone say BL updates but no real serp movement and no PR updates on pages. I would have to think that this was some sort of hiccup or algo change versus an update.

:shock:
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I still don't see any changes in PR ... especially for new pages that would normally be updated after a regular BL update.

Does this update really count, or is it simply an algorithm change?

I still stick to my prediction that the REAL update won't happen until Aug 4-5. :lol:
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This looks more like a glitch in the system than an update....there are simply unexplainable things. People are wildly speculating that the backlinks showing now could be future pages that will have PR4 or higher...but based on my site strucutre it's impossible for that to happen. It's almost looks like the backlinks that are showing are the page that won't have good PR....I have about 100 pages added last month that are showing up as backlinks and none of my other pages are showing up...these new pages are so far down the site strucutre that they could not get PR 4
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Yeah, it looks like they may be showing pages that are PR0-3 only, and ditching the PR4 pages from the listings to prevent people stealing others' high PR backlinks.
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erm I wish Axe :)

Think your basing that on Ozzu back links
http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog/sear ... com&num=10

All my site like are showing all PR pages that link to you. Check out:
http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog/sear ... .uk&num=10

Very little or no change in ranking.
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Johan007 wrote:
erm I wish Axe :)

Think your basing that on Ozzu back links.

Actually, I didn't even look at the Ozzu backlinks. It was a theory I'd seen mentioned in a few places, and a couple of my domains are showing up 1500 backlinks, but almost all of the URLs that come up in those results were PR0-3 pages.

IF the theory has any truth to it, it could be that the PR4+ pages being shown in backlinks now are simply waiting to drop. PR didn't change during this "update".

But, without seeing what happens on the next full PR/Backlinks update, it's going to be impossible to say.
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I'm giving up on trying to track pr/backlink updates. They're so random there is no point.

Better off to just keep working on your site getting backlinks and optimizing it - when the update does occur you'll have a present for that day :) and hopefully your hardwork will have paid off.
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People who do SEO for a living, can't pay their bills with hope ;)

Of course, the backlinks are only one small aspect of SEO.
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Do you really think google cares that people try to get good backlinks....if so they could just eliminate or devalue the backlink portion of the algo...this would be allot easier than displaying bogus baclinks...they screwed up...It's just like the florida update...something is going to happen but we won't know what until it happens.
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They might care if they've seen a huge load on their servers now that there's a PR checksum code out there for the masses.

If everybody's now checking all the backlinks easily and pulling out the high PR pages, it can seriously muddy their results.
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but PR hasn't changed...yet....and will always be PR...unless they get rid of it or make it useless...links can be bought or developed beteen your own sites. For a small fee I can buy a few unique IP addresses upload 1000's of pages and link them to what ever I want....
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*sigh*... you just don't get what I'm trying to say... never mind.
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OK ... time for a referee :lol:

I think you guys are arguing opposite sides of the same coin...

I agree that Google is NOT trying to protect my backlinks ... and I agree that PR is a bit skewed.

I don't think it is a complete failure on Google's part. They started showing low PR backlinks back in the June update. So this is just a continuation.

I also think PR was getting a little skewed when no one would link to a site with less than PR-4, because everyone "knew they didn't count". This was leading to a situation where a few sites were providing most of the links. Giving rise to link farms, PR for sale, and a host of other schemes to pervert the system.

Google's response ... first (in June) devalue PR making more PR-4 and PR-5 sites available --- a simple adjustment of the logarithmic scale. Then (in July) make it known that ALL links are used by showing MORE low value back links.

That is exactly what I would do in their situation.
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"They might care if they've seen a huge load on their servers now that there's a PR checksum code out there for the masses"...no no I get it...I'm just board waiting for an update....sorry
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Axe sorry chum I agree with what your saying but rtchar has a point. Now days the best SEO people ignore PR and concentrate on getting inbound links from unique IPs. If you look at site pages with high PR they could be over inflated cos the inbound links of that page come from only 1 IP address.

The days of buying a footer to thousands of pages of one site is thankfully dying and as each Google update passes Unique IP's are given more and more value over non.

You may not see it now but I can show you some evidance if you wish. Next year you will definitely see the effect!
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If Google did not want you to use the checksum code they could very easily change the formula ...

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Periodically, the Google Toolbar contacts our servers to see if you are running the most current version. If necessary, we will automatically provide you with the latest update to the Google Toolbar.


I think it serves a purpose to let it continue. Why not let thousands of programmers have access to page rank and see what innovative tools can be developed with this information?
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The days of buying a footer to thousands of pages of one site is thankfully dying and as each Google update passes Unique IP's are given more and more value over non.

Unique IP addresses or Unique hostnames? I highly doubt Google would penalize hundreds of thousands of websites simply because they are on shared hosting, and another website may resolve to the same IP.
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"Unique IP addresses or Unique hostnames? I highly doubt Google would penalize hundreds of thousands of websites simply because they are on shared hosting, and another website may resolve to the same IP."...they talked about this at the SEO conference in Europe this year...Axe is right.....I'll try to find the article.
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Unique IP addresses or Unique hostnames? I highly doubt Google would penalize hundreds of thousands of websites simply because they are on shared hosting, and another website may resolve to the same IP.


IP’s are used instead of domains to prevent you making multiple domains on a server at little cost.

No one is penalised just devalued over unique class C IP addresses from all the linking sites. The more unique Class C IP addresses that point to a page the higher it will rank.

Eg1: One page on your site is linked to by 1000 high PR pages that also from your website (or IP)... will not rank as well as another with page with loads of unique IP’s linking to it.

Eg2. You have a page and another site links to you in the footer of every page (giving you a huge PR of say 7) but it can be beaten by a PR6 (maybe even 5) site that has links from loads of deferent IP’s.

Another way to look at is links from the same IP are treaded with similar power to internal links.
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google emphasis on IP has been mentioned beefore. I agree with axe. -

seriously doubt that it is possible to base the importance of sites on their IPs. what wil happen to site developers n their clients websites :?: if google does this..
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All the design site and client sites will still hold value just not as much as they would if the links are from unique IP’s. The PR of these design site and clients would stay the same. That’s why lower PR sites often beat high PR sites with similar on page optimisation and link text!

This is hard for people to accept because I have argued this point many times on forums and don’t want to make enemies with the nice community Ozzu has. I just like to warn people and at least accept it as a possibility.
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yep I agree that this is a possibility and we are open to healthy discussions :-)
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This information you are talking about is old...due to the recent shortage of IP addresses many companies have switched to virutal hosting....where hundreds on sites sit on the same IP...it does not mean that they are owned by the same person just hosted on the same server...no different than unique IP's.

Form Craig Silverstien Google Director of Technology : "Why in this day and age does google continue to penalize sites that are virtual hosted? With ip addresses becoming harder to get/justify every day why does google discount the relevance of links that don't come from a unique ip address. Please don't just deny it, I think the Internet community deserves an explanation.

Craig:

I can't just deny it? What are my other choices? [:)] Actually, Google handles virtually hosted domains and their links just the same as domains on unique IP addresses. If your ISP does virtual hosting correctly, you'll never see a difference between the two cases. We do see a small percentage of ISPs every month that misconfigure their virtual hosting, which might account for this persistent misperception--thanks for giving me the chance to dispel a myth! "
Complete article: http://interviews.slashdot.org/intervie ... 2239.shtml
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Nice come back phaugh ... Always nice when somebody busts another Google myth. :lol:

I have also seen studies from one of those SEO newsletters that proved virtual hosting had no effect on PR or search results. Guess I don't have to go looking. :)
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thanks!

My only fear is that I have no idea how to make sure my host is configuring the virtual hosting correctly.....anyone know how to check it?

I haven't had any problems passing links and PR from my sites but it would be nice to be sure it's being done correctly.
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Nice come back phaugh ... Always nice when somebody busts another Google myth. :lol:


Ouch! :(

Good point but you are comparing apples with pears.

I did not say domains hosted on the same IP has less value or greater. Why would it that would be stupid I have many of my own sites on the same IP. The comments regarding web hosts was said because I stupidly presumed some one was talking about them being interlinked.

I said inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s and this is honestly true.
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nice point abt the virtual hosting mate!

btw johan007, can you show me linky of what you are saying here..

I luv to read on them. :-)
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can you show me linky of what you are saying here


Yeah Johan007, I would like to see the authority (quote, study, proof) for what you you are saying too. Where did you get this info?

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inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s


I have not seen any evidence of this in my sites. Some of my sites are interlinked (with few external backlinks) and they still get good PR and rank well in searches.
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"I said inbound links are given greater priority in ranking if they from unique Ip’s and this is honestly true."..yes you are absolutely correct....sorry I miss understood...but we did get some good in fo on virtual hosting in the process....so all is well.

To confirm your quote I use 2 different hosts for my sites and get a big boost when I link from one to the other vs. linking from sites on the same server....especially when I only link one way....and don't recip back.
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Let me start from the beginning.

You know Google Ranks web results on many factors and the most powerful of them all are the number of back links (the other being the link text).

If the back links all come from the same IP address it will still rank with loads of PageRank but not as well as a page that is linked from multiple IP addresses.

A good forum for this is...
http://www.v7n.com/forums/

phaugh wrote:
To confirm your quote I use 2 different hosts for my sites and get a big boost when I link from one to the other vs. linking from sites on the same server....especially when I only link one way....and don't recip back.

Yeah its a positive thing however IMO only ads 1 more IP address.
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hi there, an article/study on what you have claimed about different IP will be beneficial and good reading...

you gave a linky of a forum.

sorry mate, I have read some myths and bad sources on seo before and
it confused me a great deal. bad start.

any better linky ?
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No authorities articles have been published on the topic that I know of. All I can say is it is the real reason for the “Sandbox” effect.

The examples I have are personal to me and others - sorry.

I rather not discuss any more on this topic as it could harm my relationship with this excellent forum. Feel free to carry on without me.
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Johan007

Don't take it personal, we are looking for the truth just like you.

I am sure that you don't have to worry about hurting anyone's feelings around here. I have made MORE than my share of apologies :)

I do know myself and others on this forum, try to bust many of the Google myths that are circulating in many of the lesser forums. :lol:

Here is some excerpts from a related study that hit my mailbox some time ago ...

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Do Static IP Sites Rank Higher?
by Jon Ricerca
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Some SEOs theorize that your choice of dedicated hosting
vs. shared hosting might affect your rankings. Some others
claim that is ridiculous because all hosting will
eventually be shared in order to preserve IP addresses.
Which are correct?

I decided to run it through our statistical analysis
engine to get the facts. Here is the methodology I used to
answer this question. I gathered the results of the
queries naturally performed last month by myself and three
associates using Yahoo and Google. I then pinged each site
to get it's IP address. I then tried to visit the site
using the IP address. With shared hosting, this isn't
possible. You get some kind of generic page instead of the
specific site you want. I tallied my results for each of
the first eight rankings.

http://www.SearchEngineGeek.com/graphs/de05.gif

First, it is interesting to note that the number of sites
using shared vs. dedicated hosting is just about half and
half. We expect that as time goes on, more and more sites
will be using shared hosting.

Conclusion:

Sites using static hosting do not rank significantly
higher or lower than sites using shared hosting on both
Yahoo and Google.

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Yeah that was a stupid myth.

I am trying to find alternative evidence to prove the inbound link theory but with so many variables its proving to be a bit difficult.

On thing I did two months ago was set up a page for the term “Further Education Jobs”. The top page I had to beet had only had 10 inbound links all from unique IP’s (so did most of the others). I set about trying to beat that site with 300 inbound links from only 2 IP addresses. I only made it onto the second page - just. My page even had a PR of 6 and on page optimisations.
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Exactly what is the criteria.
Is it different IPs or IP ranges??
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Deferent Class C IP's I believe (IP ranges) making it expensive for spammers.

I am NOT saying that same IP defferant domain inbound links structure is being penalised (cos we could do it to a competitor) but dealt in a similar way as internal site links.

The theory being that SEOPeople/Spammers cant just point loads of deferent URL at a site (Though it still works to a degree it slowly being phased out but the most significant drop was during the "Sand Box" time I think in December. There are loads of misleading theories for Sandbox).

There are 3 major variables in ranking:

1. Number unique IP’s linking to it
2. PageRank shown on toolbar (number based on the PR of all inbound links)
3. Link Text
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Like what rtchar had said, we are looking for truth.
I first started reading seo on some misleading sites and thos sites got me concepts real messed up. Thats why I am taking a pinch of what I read now. no hard feelings! :-)

I have suspected that different ips make a difference in google before. like yrself. The only way to check if this is a myth or not, was to check it out with guys with tons of sites. ... to see if having different ips will affect sites n link exchanges..

I did just that (asked my web host, Axe n a couple of other friends abt this) and it seems that having sites on same ip has not affected the sites/link exchanges. in regards to google of cuz..

after verification with a few others, I am pretty well assured that having sites on same ip will not affect the sites at all.

.....my rationale coming up....
web design companies will be in for a fair bit of work if google value sites of same ip less...I don suppose google will do that either.

personal servers n ip will be at disadvantage if google does that.
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No problem but I have never written anything about what is in your rationale. I agree with your rationale. As long as you understand I am talking about something deferent here we are cool.
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yep I see what you are saying.. :-)
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Well Johan007 ... it appears the latest newsletter agrees with you :)

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Currently the biggest factor in Google's search relevancy is getting many keyword rich links from a large variety of C block IP addresses. Getting a bunch of links from a single source is easy. Getting links from many different sources is much more time consuming and expensive.


Full article at http://www.webpronews.com/ebusiness/seo/wpn-4-20040730PageRankaTrueCommodity.html

But again no authorities, studies or Google quotes ... do You believe him?
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Aaron Wall is the authore of the excellent http://www.seobook.com and I have purchased it. It does NOT mention unique IP addresses in the book but its really a new thing and I have chat to him online and in forums before. I see John Scott got a plug, he was one the pioneers of this idea and he first made me confirm it with evidence (sadly hes taken that offline).

Aaron has never been wrong and like you guys hates myth and has written this website (now old) http://www.blackhatseo.com all about bad SEO. There has been so much bad information about SEO from “SEO professionals” (SEO is not a profession) its difficult to get new ideas out and I have to argue the points.

We could set up our own experiments (I only have 1 IP though) !?!
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So far all I've heard is a lot of theories for both sides of the argument.
Admittedly by some heavy weights in the field.

I have yet to see one shred of evidence to support anyone!

One Experiment.
I have three sites all using a shared host with a common IP address.

Google search results for a very specific phrase that appears on all three pages, and lists only these three pages. (PR-4, PR-3, PR-4)

Site one has 130+ external links. Site two has 0 external links. Site three has 3 external links. Any other links come from the same IP address.

It may not be conclusive but to me it shows that links from the same IP have value when iy comes to ranking.
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I have read about C block Ip theory before. but, getting many links from different sources will not be as difficult as mentioned. think abt it-

more expensive- how so?
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It may not be conclusive but to me it shows that links from the same IP have value when it comes to ranking.


Yes they have value no one ever said they dont and there are so many variables.

I guess I am going to have to go away and find some evidence.
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madmonk

It IS expensive, and time consuming to get outside links on MANY sites.

I must have contacted 20 webmasters for every link on my site. It does get better once you have PR to trade with. :)

It can take weeks or months to get enough links to start showing up in the search results.
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lol. I thought the ultimate aim is to get links on many sites. on others sites, not yr own sites. so, it shld be as time consuming as before. isnt it?

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These are the two papers that discuss devaluing links from the same IP block.

http://www.cs.toronto.edu/%7Egeorgem/hilltop/
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... =6,526,440

The question is can I prove it has been implemented! With so many variables its proving to be a bit difficult but I will work on it when I have time.
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Anyone know how long it takes google to update the PR on the toolbar.
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Once a month but... its taking over 4 months this time round and even with more than 4 good back links.
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Dose that affect the search results???
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Toolbar PR - hell no, its not even the real PR.

Back links and internal pages help loads!
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google updates still not here yet :-(
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Lets hope it never happens :)
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Gee .. I was hoping the updates would happen more often ... then I could see the results of all my hard work. :)
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Gee .. I was hoping the updates would happen more often ... then I could see the results of all my hard work.


yeah man, same here. :roll:
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Gee .. I was hoping the updates would happen more often ... then I could see the results of all my hard work. :)


When your competitors do a back links check they can do the same hard work in a matter of seconds. I hate Google (and others) for this because I had spend hours gaining relationships with other sites and exchanging links the good old fashion way.
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If Google doesn't do a backlink update then you get no benefit from the additional PR.

Google only shows a few of the links to a site....
MSN and Altavista usually show links a lot sooner than Google does.

Anyway, it is far easier to scoop a site, and pick off only the best back links. :lol:
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If Google doesn't do a backlink update then you get no benefit from the additional PR.


I think I would have to disagree. PageRank is update on the fly weekly/daily or hourly depending on the page being spidered. What you see in the back links update is Google making the back links public on that day. What you see in PR toolbar is Google making the results public. These updates day have no baring on ranking.
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dude, i thought backlink update is done during deep crawls. that happens like every 4-6 weeks??
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Be careful ....

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PageRank is update on the fly weekly/daily or hourly


Page Rank is only updated every 4 to 6 weeks. All you have to do is watch your new pages to see they don't get PR on the fly! :shock:

Search Engine Ranking on the other hand does appear to change more frequently. Sites tend to move up and down in the search results sometimes on an hourly basis.

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These updates day have no baring on ranking.


Usually , after these updates is when you see sites move the most. That is why there is usually an uproar after a link update. The losers cry and the winners are cheering. :lol:
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thats a very fast reply rtchar. lol.
we are in tune with each other.
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Yeah it can get a little spirited around here on Friday afternoons when we're all online.

:lol:
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lol. must be something you guys are taking over there. makes you faster. lol.
I am in australia. :wink:
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No ... just a Friday afternoon ... less than an hour to go home.

Too lazy to start something new. :lol:
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heh. finally got down to adding my location in. whiling my time away in here too. It is funny why sometimes google skips a day or two in crawling my site. do u know why? :P
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Maybe they aren't seeing any new content to crawl?

If your server supports HTTP headers they can see if a page has been updated without crawling the whole page.
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what if there is new contents everyday? and spiders skips a day or two. will time difference be affecting whta i see on the cpanel ? lol.
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rtchar wrote:
Page Rank is only updated every 4 to 6 weeks. All you have to do is watch your new pages to see they don't get PR on the fly! :shock:


What you see on the tool bar is the PR at the point of the last update.
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I uderstand that the toolbar is not real ... in some cases it even guesses what the PR should be. That can be verified with the checksum tool.

But Google CANNOT calculate PR on a daily basis. In order to calculate properly, the PR of all incoming links has to be known. That means the entire Internet has to be calculated at the same time.

That is why it is only done every 4-6 weeks.
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Google does a deep index and full update of PageRank every month or whatever, but it does also update some of the effects of some of the more powerful pages more frequently.

http://www.seobook.com/archives/000253.shtml
http://www.seobook.com/archives/000429.shtml

the temporary changes are likely just estimates, but still they do have an obvious effect.
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the temporary changes are likely just estimates, but still they do have an obvious effect.


I think you are talking about two different effects here ...

In the first article you seem to attribute the improved search engine ranking to PR, but you never state if the page rank changed at the time.

I think what you saw was that Google found the links and attributed the link text to YOUR page.... thus improving your search engine ranking, not your PR.

Actually, this is the similar to the case you make in the second article.

By the way, I think your conclusions are wrong here also. You are seeing the same effect as above and assuming that external links carry more weight.

All I see is additional links to an internal page making it more relevant. I would guess the links contained your site name so this page becomes more relevant when searching for your name.

In both cases I think you proved that LINK TEXT is very important to search engine ranking for your keywords. And you proved that search engine rankings are updated frequently.
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When the toolbar PR updates you don’t see any shifts in search results like you used too. Same goes for when the back links have been updated.

The Google Update has been dead for some time. Google updates all the time. Page Rank is the major factor in rankings (out side link text).
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:?: That's not been MY experience :?:

After the last couple of updates, my new sites have moved a couple of pages forward in search engines.

Google seems to recognize the links (anchor text) almost immediately, and my site will move 1 or 2 positions. But, after a PR or backlink update it usually moves huge amounts.

Maybe when you are already at the top there is just no where to go? :)
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Maybe when you are already at the top there is just no where to go? :)


lol I wish that was the case. I use http://www.cleverstat.com/google-monitor-query.htm to track about 20 of my pages every day.
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the temporary changes are likely just estimates, but still they do have an obvious effect.


I think you are talking about two different effects here ...

In the first article you seem to attribute the improved search engine ranking to PR, but you never state if the page rank changed at the time.

Of course the visual pagerank did not change yet. its common sense that for that page to have become more important than the other page in my site that the pagerank had to have increased. the effect of the pages comming up and then drifiting away again to obscurity show the effect of having a link from pages one page removed from EarthWeb.com and Internet News, which eventually went into their archives at which time my page became less important.


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I think what you saw was that Google found the links and attributed the link text to YOUR page.... thus improving your search engine ranking, not your PR.

PageRank is how they judge a large portion of the value of a link. obviously they need to estimate some value to have it take effect.

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By the way, I think your conclusions are wrong here also. You are seeing the same effect as above and assuming that external links carry more weight.


All I see is additional links to an internal page making it more relevant. I would guess the links contained your site name so this page becomes more relevant when searching for your name.

consider 300 to 400 inbound links using a term (including about a half dozen external links also pointing at the page)

vs

about a dozen links.

I think that does a good job of showing how much more effective external links are than internal ones.

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In both cases I think you proved that LINK TEXT is very important to search engine ranking for your keywords. And you proved that search engine rankings are updated frequently.

Right, but since PageRank is a core part of the Google Algorithm they must associate some values with the links pointing at me and parse some of that power through or else such an effect would not be so dramatically noticable.
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seobook

I really don't want to get into a spitting match over who has the best interpretation. :lol:

However .... The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine states:
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The text of links is treated in a special way in our search engine. Most search engines associate the text of a link with the page that the link is on. In addition, we associate it with the page the link points to.


and ...

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Additionally, we factor in hits from anchor text and the PageRank of the document. Combining all of this information into a rank is difficult. We designed our ranking function so that no particular factor can have too much influence.


If it is any help I do agree that "300 to 400 inbound links" are better than "about a dozen links". :?:
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Any one else seeing backlink changes?

My links just changed from 23 to 46 ... not seeing PR changes yet.
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my pr has gone up abit 2 of my sites have bought links for a month to a pr 7 site and one have gone from a zero to a 3 and the other hasnt moved anything another one of my sites has gone up one

pitty i thought they would have atleast gone to a 4 or 5
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God damned , why it happened before a big crawl , oh my god this sudden update owe a little fortune, i cant believe it , it has updated our sites backlinks however it has done when we are configuring the .htaccess redirects ... i wish google made a big crawl or still doin it and refresh those backlinks otherwise :banghead:
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Google has updated again its Backward links (BL) We have also seen changes in PageRank.I have also noticed the interested change In one case in which earlier google changed it to PR0 becuase of similar content we changed the conent last few now the page has again PR5.
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There are changes only in the BL and no changes in the PR.Well let us see when the PR changes allthough BL have increased but so far no change in PR
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I am seeing backlink changes, but no PR changes anywhere. For the people seeing PageRank changes are you sure?
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Yes BigWebmaster I see one of our new page rised to the pr5 from 0 and i think the most important pr change is that i notice a page has pr4 fall to the 0 and this is the only page that have dublicated content(only file name different) but other twin has same pr still.

I think at this update, google has enchanged a strong pr filter for dublicated pages.

Could those backlinks and pr update are stil refreshing or does it completed ?
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I have also seen a change in BL but no change in PR.
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G shows 151 BL (update from 3 to 151) but any of 6-7 PR BLs :( No PR update too.
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I am showing an increase in Bls from 18 to 23 but all of them ar under pr 4 links. Ever since that last Bl update it shows low ranking pr backlinks

Doug

No pr change on pages yet!
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Backlinks for my site jumped to 59. There is officially no PR update.

What the hell is google up to?
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Has anyone tried using the allinurl command to find backlinks??
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darksat, it means nothing. For my site:
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,500 for allinurl:www.bestcatalog.net and

Results 1 - 10 of about 158 for allinurl:http://www.bestcatalog.net.

and high PR BL are there.
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nothing at all. would love a change soon... :-(
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More strange backlinks ... again

I have several PR-0 showing, several from OZZU :)

The most recent link (an OZZU posting) is from July 12.

I did notice some weird activity, from a google server only identified by IP address, starting about 2:00 am EST on Aug 8. I guess these are the results from that deep crawl.

Again, some cgi type links with many parameters and deep directory structures ... like this one:
http://www.domain.com/scripts/links/ rlinks.pl?cat=Cat%20Products/Services,Pet%20Products/Services

Most of the links showing now were never displayed before. Seems like Google is rotating the links displayed, to give every one a turn. :lol:
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I don't see any changes...in all my sites. Are you looking at a specific IP?
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Nope ...

Just link:www.domain.com in Google search bar.
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Same old same old...no changes
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The best thing about OZZU ...

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I just checked PROG (http://webmasterbrain.com/prog/) it's doesn't show any new backlinks but it does show PR changes. All the internal backlink pages that were perviously showing as PR0 have been bumped to PR4 and 3. But there are still a bunch of good PR links not showing...some that I have has for years. I checked those sites and they all still have good PR....hummm
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seobook and rtchar you both make very informed and compelling arguments...I think what's being missed is that we do not know what google does to their algo so no answer can be considered the "correct one". Based on googles recent behavior I would expect to see some major florida like upheval in the whole ranking system...their process is highly automated why would they turn it off...unless they are doing testing or implementing new changes....hold on to your hats we could be in fo a wild ride.
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I really don't want to get into a spitting match over who has the best interpretation.


So very true ... like they say "lies, damn lies and statistics" :)
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Anybody else showing a large number of directories and forums in their backlinks?

I don't know if this is because they are low PR, and Google is only showing low PR back links. Or is this related to Hilltop?
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rtchar wrote:
Anybody else showing a large number of directories and forums in their backlinks?

I don't know if this is because they are low PR, and Google is only showing low PR back links. Or is this related to Hilltop?


yep
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gah

both my sites were a pr of 5

they are both at 0 now!?
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both my sites were a pr of 5

they are both at 0 now!?


:shock: that's scary. did you try to spam google?
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How do your sites rank...I had a similar effect on the last update where some of internal pages dropped to PR0 but they still ranked high in the serps.
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i dont even know how to spam google lol

my backlinks were at like 5 on the last update, but now back at 181 for both http://www.nucleo.co.uk and inucleo.co.uk

but both have pr of 0!?
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lol. maybe just do nothing for a few days.
the sites may get the pr back

alternatively, try searching nucleo.co.uk in google
see if you are indexed at all..
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Nucleo wrote:
i dont even know how to spam google lol

my backlinks were at like 5 on the last update, but now back at 181 for both http://www.nucleo.co.uk and inucleo.co.uk

but both have pr of 0!?


:roll: sorry about that. Have you changed your site?
cache:http://www.nucleo.co.uk/home.html - did not match any documents.


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Someone noticed G updated related:yoursite.com links ? :idea:
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I don't think you should panic ... yet.

Google has not assigned PR to any of my new pages since the June update (these pages were created in May).

I am starting to wonder if they are doing backlink updates monthly, and only adjusting PR quarterly? If this is true then we should see some PR movement in the next update (September).
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hi rtchar, u read wrongly. ...his sites WERE a Pr-5, now turned into pr-0. ... not new pages...

hey nucleo, send a mail to webmaster(at)google.com. they may/may not answer why yr site is PR 0.

hope u didnt do any bad moves in yr sites... hehe.
link farms maybe??
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Yes I see that ... I thought the site was fairly new for some reason?? :oops:

I have heard rumors that some sites are incorrect on the toolbar server, but are just fine on search servers. The next update it should correct itself.

I would like to hear ... have the rankings are changed?
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I have seen pr changes at the same time with the BL update, some of the pages fall pr0 from pr3 and some of them raised pr5 from pr4 but none of our rankings changed, first it littlebit jump/down tweaked but now it turned to the normal as 1 week ago.
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a few months old i suppose.? heh heh.
slight ranking changes.lol. my travelwalk site decided to move up for keywords "travel forum" from 500 something to 300 something

slow and steady. LOL.

hope it moves up by another 300 something again..
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jumping to the 300 from 500 is so easy also jumping to the 50 from 300 will be easy too but i am working for 2 months to go first 10 from 12-18 lol
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lol. yeap. i know, I am just waiting for google updates. for my travel site, getting on first page for "travel forums" is real hard but not impossible.
:-(
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I know what you guys are talking about ...

Been sitting at 12-15 for my most competitive term for couple of months ... just needs a little push. :roll:
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I just checked my google backlinks and they are now updated to 401 vs. 173 just 1 hour ago.
Triple checked using several tools and they all confirmed the backlink update.
Google is officially on the move.

It's about time!
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Only BL updated, yes. 151--->769 with me. It seems we can forget Google PR. :?
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We also observed an increase in the Backlinks (almost doubled) but we have not seen any update in the PR fo quite some time now..

Any change in Google idea about PR or as marengo suggested we can forget PR as for the past 3 updates there has been no update in PR for around 80 sites we manage for SEO.

Thanks
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Have someone tried to re-install G toolbar? Is there pagerank green bar? Why I ask::
http://www.google.com/images/toolbar_promo.gif

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No I still have an old google toolbar.
perhaps google isnt displaying visible page rank anymore.

Have the SERPS changed a lot for anyone????
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i missed it again, again Google update it at the day when i am uploading new pages :banghead: .
The BL are doubled but not any PR or Rank effects at our sites :cry:
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there are some hot news about PR update for me also want to share them with you...
We must forget the Toolbar PR update because Google is updating PR's at every backlink update but it doesnt shown at the Toolbar for the third time but The PR updates are visible :D only for Google dir listed pages:
1- here is the Ozzu http://directory.google.com/Top/Compute ... nd_Forums/ Ozzu seems having a PR8 but now or at the previous BL update it has back to the PR7 :roll:
2- about our site thats is listed here http://directory.google.com/Top/Compute ... Hosting/N/ now showing a PR6 but The Toolbar still shows pr5 for the last 2 months.

I dont know the way of report new PR's for the other sites but if you have your site listed at Google Dir. you are so lucky but not just for noticing your new PR also I am assuming that Google give much much more value to the sites that listed at their Directory.
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Dolay - I wouldn't totally rely on that Google directory still. The Google Directory has never ever shown Ozzu to be PR8, it has always been PR7 or below but in fact we have been PR8 for many many months when still it was showing 7 in the Google directory.
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Dolay - I wouldn't totally rely on that Google directory still. The Google Directory has never ever shown Ozzu to be PR8, it has always been PR7 or below but in fact we have been PR8 for many many months when still it was showing 7 in the Google directory.

hi, sorry for the wrong report for the OZZU. As i explain little bit on the post, not sure if the Ozzu was backed? to the pr7 on the Google dir. at this update or at the previous BL updates according that i was assuming the PRs at the Google Dir. is being updated upon every BL updates and were synchronized with Toolbar PR's until last 2 months...

Maybe the Google were started to update PR's correctly on the Google Dir. for the last 2 months rather than Toolbar PRs and is going to planning to update PRs at a secret database with visible PRs for the sites that has listed at their Directory... not sure, i just heard it today from a friend whom is doing cut works for the other search engines and it become me so logical according the new habits of the Google.
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I agree with Big W. Google Directory never seemed to reflect the correct PR. And I don't see any evidence yet that it started doing so now.
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Google only added 6 links for me ... :(

This time my newest link is a post from OZZU started on Aug 13.

They seem to be getting quicker at adding links.
Used to be 5 weeks ... this update is LESS than 3 weeks.

Maybe Google is too busy trying to keep current ... there is no time or processing power left over to update PR. :lol:
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It seems that backlinks are updates once a month and PR is updated once in three months. I think there was such proposal to google guys in webmaster forum some time ago.

Content seems to be updates on weekly basis.
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Got any idea about the timescale for links getting sandboxed.
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there was three months for sand box. that is the only number i recall with regard to it.
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Im assuming thats a rough estimate.
have a feeling the next quaterly PR update might just be what I need.
Im at 670 in the serps for my target phrase and climing at about 30 positions a day.
Hope it keeps up/Gets faster
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Frequently updates will perform the competition but what about PR updates - i am curious about it: we were planning to exchange links with pr6-7 sites after we have rised to the pr6-7 by the backlinks that we have purchased at the last months however according to the rankings and Google dir we have rised to the pr6 but linkexchanging wont be available with high pr sites since toolbar PR still doesnt updated :(
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toolbar updates but some time after total PR update. Our company had PR update like two months ago. I guess with 'PR increase' deals it is still good idea to buy it but you need to keep in mind that it will not show up right away but with time. If link is added to backlink PR will follow - sooner or later ;)
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darksat wrote:
Im assuming thats a rough estimate.
have a feeling the next quaterly PR update might just be what I need.
Im at 670 in the serps for my target phrase and climing at about 30 positions a day.
Hope it keeps up/Gets faster


What is serps and also what is the sandbox thing?

I don't quite understand these two terms.
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try search serps and sandbox in ozzu.
lots of threads on all those.

:-)
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dolay wrote:
there are some hot news about PR update for me also want to share them with you...
We must forget the Toolbar PR update because Google is updating PR's at every backlink update but it doesnt shown at the Toolbar for the third time but The PR updates are visible :D only for Google dir listed pages:
1- here is the Ozzu http://directory.google.com/Top/Compute ... nd_Forums/ Ozzu seems having a PR8 but now or at the previous BL update it has back to the PR7 :roll:
2- about our site thats is listed here http://directory.google.com/Top/Compute ... Hosting/N/ now showing a PR6 but The Toolbar still shows pr5 for the last 2 months.

I dont know the way of report new PR's for the other sites but if you have your site listed at Google Dir. you are so lucky but not just for noticing your new PR also I am assuming that Google give much much more value to the sites that listed at their Directory.


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Dolay - I wouldn't totally rely on that Google directory still. The Google Directory has never ever shown Ozzu to be PR8, it has always been PR7 or below but in fact we have been PR8 for many many months when still it was showing 7 in the Google directory.


i made a deep investigation about this issue since that time and i found some important issue about the directory.google.com PR's.
1- Yes they are updated at every BL update regarding ToolBar PR update since last 2-3months.
2- The PR bars at the directory.google.com have scale of 7 not 10steps as ToolBar PR
3- Directory.google.com PR was realy synchronized with the ToolBar PR until the last 3 BL updates

You may safely check your PR if your site listed at the directory.google.com because Google updating PR's at the directory.google.com without any problem since the begining however this PR bars have 7 steps not 10 !
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My main term is going up but most of the rest are going down.

Search Term Rank up/down Best Date
company formation 659 20 659 06/09/2004
offshore company formation 563 -20 533 06/09/2004
offshore company formation online 419 -1 407 06/09/2004
offshore company incorporation 583 -10 522 06/09/2004
company formation online 512 7 499 06/09/2004
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Hey, there is a backlink update in progress.

Your new results can be viewed on this google datacenters so far:

216.239.51.104
216.239.51.147
216.239.37.99


I moved up from 109 to 139 :)
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Nice quick observation.

I was working on of my index pages. Noticed that my PR was a big "0" though it is and very old site - in DMOZ, Yahoo and loads of links. Hopefully it will change to a somewhat norma state during the update. My deeper pages have been updated and gained some backlinks.

Google, What the heck is going on?
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Is it normal for google to drop record of your backlinks while it does an update? I could swear yesterday when i checked backlinks it showed 120+ and I visited many of them and now it only shows 29 and a lot that i just looked at yesterday are gone??? doesn't seem like the search results have changed particularly on the keywords i'm targeting though.
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Hmm now that i look at it it was an allinurl: i did that showed 129 links... why wouldn't google show those pages in a link list? hmm
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Hey, there is a backlink update in progress.

Your new results can be viewed on this google datacenters so far:

216.239.51.104
216.239.51.147
216.239.37.99


I moved up from 109 to 139 :)


Well spotted :)

Ozami jumped from 0 backlinks to 796 - having some good progress recently!
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i just checked and if i look for sites containing the url in my domain it shows a lot including ones that are links that don't show up in the list of links that only shows 12 (which I know isn't true)... anyone know why this might be (pages that are in google w/ my link not showing up in list of sites linked to my page)? i checked and they are actually linked to my page, not through a script. why would this be?
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anyone else notice that this backlink update has reversed......? I've checked a few sites that had updated, all the results are back to what they were before the update.....
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Yes, Jess. Just noticed the same thing with 3 of my sites that showed updated backlinks few hours ago, and now are back to the number of backlinks they had before the update. That is the reason I ran to ozzu, to se if somebody else has the same problem ( I was afraid I was blacklisted for some reason :oops: )

This is also my first post here so Hello everybody! I have been reading you for a while now, and finally I had the courage to post something :wink:
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no updates on BL for my two sites :(, well hope to see soon...

any major changes coming soon?

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My SAGA of trying to even make the search engines for the term " digital camera " and "sony digital camera " continues.... I have achieve a 2/10 pagerank so far and I am spending a good majority of my time attempting to build links.

Yesterday google even displayed 10 links with link:www.baraginfindsonebay.com but today they just disapeared I show a total of 462 for allinurl:www.bargainfindsonebay.com


hmmm maybe google just doen't like me? I mean yahoo.com likes me msn.com likes me. Why won't google.com show me some love?
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Yes, Jess. Just noticed the same thing with 3 of my sites that showed updated backlinks few hours ago, and now are back to the number of backlinks they had before the update. That is the reason I ran to ozzu, to se if somebody else has the same problem ( I was afraid I was blacklisted for some reason :oops: )

This is also my first post here so Hello everybody! I have been reading you for a while now, and finally I had the courage to post something :wink:


Glad you finally posted - and welcome to Ozzu! :P
I had the same worry about blacklisting when I checked my first site! Nothing worse is there? lol.



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Don't take it personally Kevin - we all want some love from Google :(
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Well I find it strange that I get my first 10 links on google and then the next day they take them away. I mean I busted my buns posting all over everywhere I am doing paid sponsorships for about a billion links all over the net . Whats it take google.com ? Do I need to bribe the admins like all the other digital camera websites ?

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Well I find it strange that I get my first 10 links on google and then the next day they take them away. I mean I busted my buns posting all over everywhere I am doing paid sponsorships for about a billion links all over the net . Whats it take google.com ? Do I need to bribe the admins like all the other digital camera websites ?

Cheers,

Canon digital camera?


Yea, but they didn't just do it to you - one of my sites jumped from 0 - 700+ links - next day - they all gone.

What i'll take from the update is that at least I know google have recognised the links and they are taking them into account. Otherwise they never would have displayed them.

From the people i've spoken too - this whole update was reversed.
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Most likely because it helped my site out too much and phil askey complained ... * joke * regarding pay offs.
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Image

I recognize you your that dave guy arn't you..

You serious about the backlink question?

What are you the janitor around here?

A backlink is a link back to your website that the search engines count as a vote if you have good anchor text making yor climb higher in the search engines with more relevant higher ranked keyword searches...... Breath....
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Name is Steve, Dave's not here.

thanks for the info though. I probably should of used google to find an explanation but now it's prolly just linking back here.

I go by Sunday Silence elsewhere :anonymous:
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weird...
one of my sites has just received a PR update.
on 22-10-04 to be precise :?
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weird...
one of my sites has just received a PR update.
on 22-10-04 to be precise :?


Really, another PR update?

Is your PR now insync w/ the google directory PR ?
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the update is only to one site, the other sites are pretty much the same. seems to be a very late update for the site!!
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the update is only to one site, the other sites are pretty much the same. seems to be a very late update for the site!!



Oh ok... well google has been hammering my site and has found over 1,000 more pages w/ backlinks to our site. So i wouldn't be surprised if we saw an update or pr update soon.

There has been a ton of serp movement the past couple days...
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one of my sites has just received a PR update.
on 22-10-04 to be precise


Well, I havent seen an update since the 16.10.2004 which effect is now gone again.

One thing I noticed today is that in the SERP that I am currently hunting the total number of results in my native language dropped from around 350.000 to 301.000 ? Is it just me that havent been paying attention to this earlier or is this a sign of something going on at Google?

Does the number of results in Googles index normally switch that much around?
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lol. something is wrong or weird at google man!
it doesnt make sense sometimes. lol.
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Welp, the moment has arrived, Google has updated their backlinks.

Our site jumped up by about 110 links:)

Data centers that are showing the changes so far include the following:

216.239.57.105
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.99
216.239.57.98

Hope everyone made out ok :)
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Yes I got backlink updated :) , Its 28 now from 7

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0 - 796 Thats what I call progress :)

Lets just hope they keep the results this time!
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Damn, you had me going there for a moment. I know I am in for a big progress since my link has been added to a footer on a site with more that 12.000 indexed pages.

On my datacenter there is no update yet.....

where is that tool again that shows the different datacenters?????
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oh wow they really are updating and it even sees my 2 sites as separate sites with separate backlinks now... i wonder when the change will filter down to all the googles as the one that comes up when i type in google still shows the old results.
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Damn, you had me going there for a moment. I know I am in for a big progress since my link has been added to a footer on a site with more that 12.000 indexed pages.

On my datacenter there is no update yet.....

where is that tool again that shows the different datacenters?????


I always do mine by just typing in the ip address - typing in my site url and clicking the links button.

the links from your footer -

http://216.239.57.105/search?hl=en&lr=& ... divxit.dk/

http://216.239.57.105/search?hl=en&lr=& ... k/seo.html
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when does the backlink # start figuring into rankings? reason i ask is i checked backlinks on those sites which definitely are changing... but actual ranking position doesn't seem to have changed even tho the backlinks have... does the backlink update take a while to filter through the search engine results?
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Thanks Jess :D You really saved my day.

I went from 47 to 748 and the other one from 28 to 308...not that bad..


Everything will be good from now :D
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i got 1000 :D used the black list from K-Lite and added some
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got 1000 used the black list from K-Lite and added some


I'm baffled :?: Whats K-lite?
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:(

i got 70 from 54

without any effort.
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My site still shows 0 backlinks (not updated yet I guess), but I jumped up 9810 spots for one of the keyphrases that I wasn't on the map for yet and my others went up a few each as well! :) can't wait to see how many backlinks google shows.
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My site still shows 0 backlinks (not updated yet I guess), but I jumped up 9810 spots for one of the keyphrases that I wasn't on the map for yet and my others went up a few each as well! :) can't wait to see how many backlinks google shows.


Here ya go Matt :)

http://216.239.57.105/search?hl=en&lr=& ... esign.com/
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ok i have a noob question what does all this part mean in the link you put up "JXM1qE5QNNYJ:"
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Something isn't right w/ this update.

A normal Backlink update would be over by now....

With this update the 4 data centers i listed 1 day ago are still the only data centers that are updated.

I wonder if google is simply doing a test. Any comments on this?? :)
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Thanks Jess! They aren't showing as many links as I was hoping for though.. :(
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Something isn't right w/ this update.

A normal Backlink update would be over by now....

With this update the 4 data centers i listed 1 day ago are still the only data centers that are updated.

I wonder if google is simply doing a test. Any comments on this?? :)


I agree - I also notice that all of my sites have exactly the same number of backlinks on the updated servers as they did on the last (supposed update) [Dead Link] which quickly dissapeared a day or so later.

Seems G wants to keep us on our toes, Or they are playing with something.

To be honest it wouldn't supprise me to see a big change in Google soon, its been too quiet for too long.
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Kind of strange how this backlink update wasn't right in a way and the last "update" was very different from all the past updates.
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Kind of strange how this backlink update wasn't right in a way and the last "update" was very different from all the past updates.


Hey, what's up w/ that about google in your signature. Is that a joke ?
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Nope, it's the absolute truth ;-)
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Nope, it's the absolute truth ;-)

the aret'n truen..!
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Wow...anyone notice the drop in Pagerank of YaazaWeb.com?
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Just wondering when it will translate into PR
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Well since there was an update (a very strange one) on the 6th of October, I wouldn't expect another one for quite some time.
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Wow...anyone notice the drop in Pagerank of YaazaWeb.com?


the site is not working when i tried to access it :(
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madmonk wrote:
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Wow...anyone notice the drop in Pagerank of YaazaWeb.com?


the site is not working when i tried to access it :(


See psyc0w! The curse of the forum misspellings has come on to you!
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lol. Now i understant what your sig means...
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does google penalize web pages with mispelled words?
Just curious. I need to run a spelling and grammar check if this is true.

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nooooo...i just added that to my sig to try to stop people from misspelling in the forums....

People actually put misspellings in their sites purposely...this could help them rank well for common misspelled words.
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I thought I had read that people do that. I actually have a page that ranks for "Florida wadefishing" but not "Florida wade fishing" Interesting.
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So Google finally updated the backlinks on all the data centers.
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Hi all,

Google didnot counted the back link of hosting directories (I have submitted to 200 directories)!!!
Can any one tell me the reason for that? my site is bsindia.com
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So Google finally updated the backlinks on all the data centers.


I noticed that too - Lets hope it stays this way :)


Bsindia - theres about 4 replies to your question in the thread you created about backlinks :)
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My site still shows 0 backlinks (not updated yet I guess), but I jumped up 9810 spots for one of the keyphrases that I wasn't on the map for yet and my others went up a few each as well! :) can't wait to see how many backlinks google shows.


and now I've dropped 9810 spots back down to the bottom for that phrase :(
well, that sucked.
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and now I've dropped 9810 spots back down to the bottom for that phrase
well, that sucked.


it could be temporary. I have seen sites in top 5 and dropping into oblivion and back to top 5,, within an hour or two. :P
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You were right, madmonk. I moved back up 9908 spots for that phrase today! :)
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great! Matt_M... now keep ya fingers crossed that it will remain there? :lol:

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nooooo...i just added that to my sig to try to stop people from misspelling in the forums....

People actually put misspellings in their sites purposely...this could help them rank well for common misspelled words.


I see what you mean. lol. I misinterpreted yr sig then..
but I dont see the need to put misspellings in their sites on purpose - they can simply put the misspellings in their meta tags keywords. = that should do the trick! :D
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Google backlink update for the link command in progress across datacenters for me anyway.


216.239.39.104
216.239.41.104
216.239.51.104
216.239.53.104

and 6 more . anyone else notice the changes?
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Well Spotted.

Results 1 - 10 of about 901 <-- increase of 200 links almost for Ozami.
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If that is the case, isn't this the date I predicted? :)
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Infact According to the competition (See my footer) Bigwebmaster was spot on with his guess!

Brian (Bigwebmaster) - 25th November 2004

Congrats to Bigweb!! :) :)
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aha beat me to the punch lol :P
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We jumped from 221 to 313....

:D
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We jumped from 221 to 313....

:D


We jumped from 14 to 16 !!!! Thats a improvement of the standardized new google algorhyme allowing the most of a 30 percent increase this update !!! woo hoo

I tell ya once I am outa this sandbox I will show them all !!! Just you wait and see come Dec,31 big things !
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If that is the case, isn't this the date I predicted?


Bigwebmaster, are you sure you are not a Google employee in disguise?

As I recall this is not the first time you where spot on with your guess.

Anyway congratulations :D
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Bigwebmaster, are you sure you are not a Google employee in disguise?

As I recall this is not the first time you where spot on with your guess.

Anyway congratulations :D



If thats the case maybe he can tell me why ADSENSE didn't report 400 conversions that adwords recorded on a page of mine.

p.s. the standardized response of they probably hit the back button before the ad loaded or they used I frames will not be tolerated.
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partial backlinks update for me. Looks like there are more to come..
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Looks like there are more to come..



hey with only 2 being added for me lets hope lol
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yeah man. hopefully. :-)
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my backlinks jumped from 4 to 24 so a good improvment here aswell but still lots of hard work to do and loads of stress full times ahead :P
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:D Wow, guys! my BL 992 -->3,550
Superb!

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Dang man... Bigwebmaster, how did you do that?

I'm up 58 from 31.
That's it ???
I was expecting like 200...

Kevins_Kevlar, I am up almost 90%.. more than 30%

And Jess.. what's up with your picture?

I better be quiet before I get my butt kicked... x_x
Sorry about that.
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hehe, I got board seeing myself staring back at me everyday.
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well celebrity sites don't count in my rule of thumb. Seems google just picks who their going to make more millions in your case and adds willy nilly.
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Yeah! the backlinks are coming in. So let's see when the PR update will occur. I estimate in the next few weeks.
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hpefully, they are still updating the links. I have got many link exchanges to finish up! :-(
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I thought we were predicting a Pagerank update, not a backlink update :-/ Dammit

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PR is updating in some data centers now. It may take some time to show in bar.
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Which data centres are showing the update?
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http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank/

nevermind you guys can check the update here. Backlink update as well.

On datacenters:

66.102.11.104
66.102.11.99

Ozami is showing PR5 from a PR0 which im pleased about.
1,620 backlinks - this is up almost 700 links :)

Happy New Year Google.
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My gardening forum is up from PR0 to PR6 ;)

Happy new year everybody
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Hi, can someone tell me the differenz between those two PR Update Prediction tools? The first one tells me a PR6 and the Seo is actually on a PR3 from PR4?

http://www.rustybrick.com/pagerank-prediction.php

http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank/

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Manino wrote:
Hi, can someone tell me the differenz between those two PR Update Prediction tools? The first one tells me a PR6 and the Seo is actually on a PR3 from PR4?

http://www.rustybrick.com/pagerank-prediction.php

http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank/

greets


the rusty brick is a prediction tool that uses their own algorithm to determine the results. the seochat looks at all the actual google datacentres - meaning the seochat one will be correct.



BTW - Congrats Stew :P Good work !!
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Woohoo! I'm going from a PR2 to PR4 !! Not a great jump, but I'll take the forward progress!
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Cheers Jess. And where are my manners, your achievement was no small deal either. Important for a directory to have good PageRank, and PR5 is great!
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Congrats ATNO, doubled your PR. :)

I'm seeing the results on the toolbar now.
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Actually, the PR more than doubled since it is measured on a logmetric scale
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Congratulations to all that have increased their PR.

Im also a happy man according to http://www.seochat.com/?go=1&option=com_seotools&tool=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solutions2buy.dk%2Fseo-guide.html&submit=Check my page jumps from 0 to 6. I have renamed the page and it only has links from other internal pages.
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Mines poo :(
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i do believe i said the update would be on the first of january :d

anyways from pr0 to pr3 so all good here.
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Results for: http://www.highpeakcrossco.com
DataCenter PageRank PageRank Bar
toolbarqueries.google.com 3


64.233.161.99 0


64.233.161.104 0


66.102.7.99 3


66.102.7.104 3


216.239.59.99 3


216.239.59.104 3


216.239.37.104 0


216.239.39.99 3


216.239.39.104 3


66.102.11.99 3


66.102.11.104 3


216.239.57.99 3


216.239.57.104 3


66.102.9.99 3


66.102.9.104 3


216.239.53.99 3


216.239.53.104 3



Ok, could somebody interpret this stuff for me?

Are those my different pages? and then their rank? I don't have that many pages.

Does this mean I will move up in the search results? If that is saying I have a 3.


I won't get happy yet....boy, if I have a 3 though, man thats good compared to what I would have had if I would have had no help from all of you guys. I'd have a big fat o.



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Ok, the little green line just confirmed it! Break out the balloons and all that, I offically have page rank. 3 is better then zero. Thank's to all that have contributed in helping me with my site- You know who you are! Thank you very much! Have a Great New Year all!


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Swan, to answer your prior question, those IP's you quoted above are Google's different datacenters. They update at different intervals and the ones in your post that were still showing zero still hadn't updated when you took that snapshot. Congrats on your increase.
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My PR went from 0 to 4, but my google rankings remain exactly the same ie. rubbish. WHY?????

WHY???
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WHY???


Well, Google always know the "real PR" for a given site, even though the PR is not visible on the toolbar.

A Toolbar Page Rank update as the recent one is meerely just cosmetic.
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My PR went from 0 to 4, but my google rankings remain exactly the same ie. rubbish. WHY?????

WHY???


welcome to the real world.

A good PR doesn't guarentee a good serp placement. Kinda makes u wonder why you should care so much about PR doesnt it...........
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Solutions & Jess -

That would make sense, except for the fact that the keywords I've targeted really are not very competitive - they're pretty obscure and other sites ranked highly in google are clearly not search engine optimised. In MSN Beta search, my site (s) rank in the top three for about 10 different keyword combinations, yet in google, the site remains search engine fodder.

I've over 100 keyword rich anchor text links pointing to the site, from relevant sites - way more than the competitors. Titles, text, meta tags etc all keyword orientated.... WHY???? Does google take longer still to cotton on or what???
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Anyone know when the last PR update was? I'm trying to get a feel for when the next one will be. Also, lets say your site 'would be' a higher PR if they did an update... are those factors taken into account in a search even tho your pr hasn't been updated or do you have to wait for the update for it to count? For example, if i'm PR5 now and next week I get some PR6-8 links that'll bring my PR up next update, will my rankings go up in the meantime even tho pr hasn't updated or am I stuck til next update?

Any guess when the next one might be? :)

Also, Google hasn't spidered my site since the day after X-mas... usually it's much more frequent... is google not spidering as much during the update? i'm waiting for the bots to come back so some of my new links to my other sites will get added to the engines :) much easier than submitting ;)
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Solutions & Jess -

That would make sense, except for the fact that the keywords I've targeted really are not very competitive - they're pretty obscure and other sites ranked highly in google are clearly not search engine optimised. In MSN Beta search, my site (s) rank in the top three for about 10 different keyword combinations, yet in google, the site remains search engine fodder.

I've over 100 keyword rich anchor text links pointing to the site, from relevant sites - way more than the competitors. Titles, text, meta tags etc all keyword orientated.... WHY???? Does google take longer still to cotton on or what???


Sounds like you answered your own question. Google penalizes SEOd sites and prefers sites that rank 'naturally'... if it can tell you're trying to manipulate them it can hurt your rankings.

PR can make a difference between two roughly equivalent sites... but if your site is ranked lower for other reasons PR may not make a diff.

MSN/Yahoo are much easier to manipulate in my experience using white hat SEO.

Good qualities links + well formatted white hat SEO site = top rankings in MSN/Yahoo/etc.

Google = A mystery to me :)
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I used to be so happy when my pr would move up.

I'd make my wife come in the room and look at the green bar.

I'd yell and celebrate.

My cats would run and hide.

Then...

I'd realize the depreciating value of PR and go back to building content.

:oops:
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calebtheredwood wrote:
I used to be so happy when my pr would move up.

I'd make my wife come in the room and look at the green bar.

I'd yell and celebrate.

My cats would run and hide.


Then...

I'd realize the depreciating value of PR and go back to building content.

:oops:


I'm in the same boat (seriously, the wife, the cats, everything). Though the fact that mine jumped from a 3 to a 5 on most of my pages gives me a warm fuzzy. I'm just dreading losing all that nice useless PR when I get rid of my subdomains in my next major update. I'm not really getting rid of them, just going to 301 them.
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Jess and GardenStew,

Congrats on the PR updates – long overdue I sense. What a huge jump too.

I myself experienced a PR jump from 0 to 3, which though not as impressive as yours, I am still happy. Looks like the daily grind of establishing incoming links is finally paying off.

Jess, thanks for Future PageRank Tool – very handy.

In conclusion, thank you OZZU and all contributors (rtchar, veto, jess, etc) for providing and sharing knowledge on building better ranked sites.
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I mentioned the last time this happened. I saw only PR0 pages updated and this has now happened again. One of my links pages went from a PR0 to a PR6. Across the board, only sites of mine with a PR of 0 increased, everything else stayed the same.

Oh...any does anyone remember my prediction of the next Pagerank update ;-)
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George_Gambino wrote:

In conclusion, thank you OZZU and all contributors (rtchar, veto, jess, etc) for providing and sharing knowledge on building better ranked sites.


Much agreed on that. I'm in the learning mode on this myself. Prior to roughly August I stayed out of the Search engine boards due to that cluelessness disease *lol
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Just noticed some Homepage PR updates, guess I am seeing more than just PR0 changes, like before.
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Congrats Jess and Stew! Amazing jump. I moved up just one point but progresss is progress. Thanks all for the kind suggestions that have helped!

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I know this probably gets asked in here a lot but does anyone have any idea to when the next PR update will be or when the last one was? Thanks. :wink:
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The last PR/Backlink update was around new years (1/05).... You have a few more weeks will we probably see another backlink update and about 3 more months until we see another PR update... :D
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Hmmm, alright. Unfortunately my main site's unchanged. Although I recently released a new software title (8 Jan). I guess I'll only start seeing real results in the 3 month update. Any suggestions on how to increase my PR or methods that have the greatest effect? Thanks.
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psyc0w wrote:
Any suggestions on how to increase my PR or methods that have the greatest effect? Thanks.


Get backlinks, more backlinks, and more backlinks.... oh did I mention backlinks?

:D
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The next one will be on March 27th. 8)
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I think it will be on St. Patrick's Day March 17th :anonymous:
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I will keep an eye on both of your dates :)
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Good. That gives me some time. (for those backlinks *lol)
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ATNO/TW wrote:
Good. That gives me some time. (for those backlinks *lol)


I got your back.
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Veto, I'm circling that date in my diary.

Now its time for more backlinks....arrgghhhh, never stops!
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Ive heard many say that PR really doesnt matter in the scope of it all.

Is that true?? or Speculations??

Thank you
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PR does matter. The PR on the google toolbar doesn't because it's not accurate. Some people will disagree with me, BUT I'm convinced PR is a big factor in google ranks... not the only factor, maybe not even the main factor but one of several big factors.

The reason I believe that is watching the SERPs in my main keyword, which is highly competetive. I see sites move up and down based on PR. In fact, I just bought some high PR text ads to help boost my PR for the next update and it is already affecting my SERPs... moved up from #8 to #3 yesterday for a keyword that has a competetiveness rating of 0 in wordtracker :) (32 million pages indexed for the term).

IMO, the main factors are:

1) # of quality content/keyword related pages in a site for that term
2) Relevancy of inbound links (keywords)
3) PR (covers link popularity, authority, etc)

To get high in a competetive search, you have to do well on at least 2 or 3, all 3 if it's really competetive.
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In last PR update, I went to 4 from 1, and in the meantime.. I am desaparate to get more backlinks.... Hope G again would increase my PR :)
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I'm a believer that PR does matter. At the moment, I'm PR4. With my primary key phrase I dropped to 6 yesterday where I was at 4 in Serps. All pages listed above me are PR 6 or 7 (if you check the main domain root) and all sites ranked above me are in subdirectories, whereas mine is the root.
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the next PR update will be on Feb 22 :wink:
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madmonk how do you know that or is that just a joke? :)

I can't wait for the next PR update I should jump to a 6 from 5 hopefully, which will make me one of 2 pr 6s in my category (and by far the most relevant).
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I like this:

http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page- ... -list.html
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some offbeat question, please advise

one of my clients sells products related to Field hockey equipment, I wish to gear up sales in UK market, I went through some forums and blogs where such buyers might be available, but still cant get any positive feedback.. can you suggest me the proper way to rise sales in UK market

thnx

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madmonk how do you know that or is that just a joke?


Its just my guess. Lol. hopefully some guys will believe it and start a new myth together! 8)
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The reason I believe that is watching the SERPs in my main keyword, which is highly competetive. I see sites move up and down based on PR. In fact, I just bought some high PR text ads to help boost my PR for the next update and it is already affecting my SERPs... moved up from #8 to #3 yesterday for a keyword that has a competetiveness rating of 0 in wordtracker (32 million pages indexed for the term).

Zen
How long did it take for you to see a change in your serps after you purchased the text links on the high PR site? :?
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Just to throw a little wrench into your well ordered world ... here is the results for a recent search on one of my keywords.

    1. PR=5 Links=43
    2. PR=5 Links=80
    3. PR=6 Links=3030
    4. PR=4 Links=11
    5. PR=7 Links=17900
    6. PR=4 Links=66
    7. http://directory.google.com/Top/Shopping/ PR=10 Links=3030000
    8. PR=6 Links=464
    9. PR=5 Links=89
    10. PR=4 Links=10


Didn't know I was competing with Google for keywords :lol:

I would guess Google is there because someone linked to the directory page?
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Links & PR aren't the only factors :) Also, when you say 'links', are those keyword anchored links or just any links? :)

My site went up in serps when Google first reindexed their directory PR/cache mid-Jan... after the recent bot activity last week it has since dropped down to #6, so i'm not sure what's up with that (maybe some sites that linked to me got dropped in popularity since the pages themselves didn't change) but have made some additional changes since then that haven't been recached (lowering keyword density)... just tinkering now :)
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Was the recent Google update good to you? Well now you can tell them exactly what you think of it.

With the recent February update Google has also decided to open up a feedback channel. If you have comments about the update you can mail them to feb05feedback@googlegroups.com

Quite a nice move in my eyes and I certainly havn't seen this happen before!
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*Pulls out the dictaphone and begins dictating nasty-gram

So far every keyword that was bringing traffic to my site from Google is virtually useless.
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I suggest you get in quick - unless you want to get stuck in the quagmire created by the 6 million other feedbacks...
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Hi,

The recent back link update was really good for us and our clients.

Now it would be good to see the next PR update.

I feel with Microsoft launching its new MSN and Yahoo coming up with new search products the it is going to be tough for Google to hold its Rank#1 position.

Cheers.
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With the recent February update Google has also decided to open up a feedback channel.


Could this be in direct response to MSN's acceptance of feedback? I hope this isn't just a face that they are putting up to please the community.

Regards the update on of my sites has suffered on almost every keyphrase that I was targeting especially the primary keyphrase. But I'm not going to be negative about it, this is what the game is about after all... get back on the saddle :)
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Yeah I have noticed that too and now they are even active in replying to your queries.

Recently I noticed a drop in my homepage for the keyword: vijay and I sent a mail to google and they not just replied I got back my site in the Top 20.

Cheers,
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Recently I noticed a drop in my homepage for the keyword: vijay and I sent a mail to google and they not just replied I got back my site in the Top 20.


As simple as that huh!

Hmmmm...
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not at all. every word went down for my sites.
patience...
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Well, I just sent my email. We'll see what they do. It should get their attention since MSN is now about to pass them in traffic generated from results *grin,
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Hi ATNO/TW,

MSN surpassing Google? That's big news - how do you know this?

Cheers
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I just check it in Awstats daily. What I said above was in reference to my site. I didn't mean that was a global statistic.
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Actually I can agree with this. Msn is sending us a good number of hits more than Google is at the moment. That has to be a concern for Google......
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ATNO/TW,

True, my stats also show msn and yahoo sending quadruple the amount of hits as Google.

Then again, I am positioned so much better in their SERPs than Googles; so it makes sense I guess.
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Interesting discussion :)

One of my forum is well placed on all the search engines and draws good amount of traffic from all parts of the world.

Last month it went up to 6Million pageviews and already got on Alexa Ranking (Weekly average: 7821) and the average Log file generated daily is 800MB :(

I have noticed that on all my sites that many people are now moving from Google to MSN and Yahoo cause Google results are not that accurate anymore (even I do search MSN and Yahoo at times due to this). And with the way MSN and Yahoo have been constantly improving on their search results there have been a considerable rise in their market share in the search engine industry.

Cheers,
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When I put in my main search term, I cannot find my site anywhere. I went all the way through them (to like, page 60, where it cuts off).

:cry:
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What is your main search term?
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Actually, I would recommend against posting your search term here. I have learned from experience that OZZU has this nasty tendancy to rank higher than you if your favored search tearm is posted here.

This tool posted by others will let you see exactly what the results would be for your search term without haveing to go through all the results manually:
http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp

Can't remember who posted that originally, but *tips my hat for that handy little link.
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Well, then I'll just say it's the brand of dog food for sale on the website.

That tool above does not show me in google at all. :shock:

This just better be temporary!
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Actually you are listed to some degree. In fact for the way I typed it I see some datacenters have you listed at 39th result where others have you way down around 600 or so and some not at all. I'll try a couple other variations of it. For another phrase I used I see you at 63 on some datacenters. I'll PM you the terms I used. As far as that tool, be sure to check each radio button and try the term again to see all the datacenter results. And as you can see by some of the other topics here Google is doing some big reshuffling, so I guess we'll all see how it pans out.
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Overall, MSN is still not sending the amount of traffic Google is sending spread over about 50 sites. The only place I see this happening is with the site's of mine that lost their positioning in Google.
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Actually I can agree with this. Msn is sending us a good number of hits more than Google is at the moment. That has to be a concern for Google......


I think its just publicity.

or technical reasons.
are the hits doing your sites good?

doesnt look like it for mine. :shock:
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my sites retained PR5 and PR4 some new pages gained PR2.
overall happy with this update.
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This last update shouldn't have done anything to Pagerank, only with serp positioning. You may be thinking about the January 1st update.

No one else had their Pagerank change did they?
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I have a PR 4, however I just checked at McDar and this data center is now showing me at PR 0
216.239.37.147

In addition, on the last Backlink update I jumped from 21 to 199 backlinks. Now there are 7 datacenters showing me at the old 21 number. Although all but that one still show the current PR4

Here's the kicker. All but one of those 7 datacenters that show me at that old backlink number show my old serps. Here's a list of the datacenters that show my old "good" results.

216.239.53.99
66.102.7.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147
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Veto,

Page rank didn't jump at all.

SERP did and so did backlink count. But as ATNO/TW said, the datacenters seem to be showing inconsistencies with the backlinks.

Hey ATNO/TW - nice work on the 10000 big ones. Keep a drink cold for me when I get there (in 72 yrs time).

Btw, how do you force google to use a particular datacenter. For example, say I want to do link:www.mysite.com using 216.239.53.99. Is this possible?

Cheers.


Later guys..
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Go to http://216.239.53.99
That puts you in that datcenter. Then do your searches
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Thanks ATNO/TW.

It's interesting to note the discrepancies between them. I would rather work off one that's most up-to-date.
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You can force the toolbar to use a particular data center for search results and PR display by adding this line to your hosts file.

216.239.53.99 toolbarqueries.google.com

You can find the hosts file in your Windows folder.
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Cool tip phaugh.

That's for default right - I presume you can still force a datacenter using the IP?
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I don't get it, google hates me so much, yet it is caching my site daily. It didn't do that so often before.
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I've done a few websites over the last two years for myself and some small business in my area. It's a hobby more than a business, but I've studied SEO pretty extensively. The latest Google update dropped all 4 of my sites from page 1 for relevant terms to complete oblivion. I can't for the life of me understand what happened. The sites are all done with high standards, nothing fishy, no word stuffing, irrelevant links. Just relevant text rich with important keywords and valuable information. My links going out and coming in are all pertinent. My rankings with MSN and Yahoo are great.

I saw someone ask if it could be the hosting company. My sites are all hosted through Thinkhost. Anyone heard of problems with them?

My personal site is http://www.detroitnotary.com. Any ideas?
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anybody with web sites that are hosted on different ips,

and yet dropped to oblivion by google?

this is interesting if so...
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I do not think it is a hosting problem, as I have been sites on numerous ips.

I still think that everyone's site will come back eventually. I believe it is just temporary.
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One site is back in full force, page one for every keyword. I think more of you should start seeing your positioning returning.
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I still think that everyone's site will come back eventually.

I hope you're right. This dance just seems different than the ones I've seen over the years. I usually see my sites drop for a day or two, or go back and forth for a few weeks. But this time, they've all dropped and stayed there. It's giving me an ulcer!
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Look back to the Florida Update. And as I said just before...one of my sites just came back all together.
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Its funny but now the backlinks are driving me crazy and its still going up and down for me.
When I try our site to test link update:

link:www.cyberax.net

Sometimes it is 567 and sometimes 218 (old).

I have been noticing this behaviour from the last 3 weeks now. So this leads me to believe that Google has not yet updated all its datacenters with the last BL update.

Though I am not totally confident but I feel it may so happen that vetofunk just have fetched results from the old datacenter.

Any ideas ?

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I think I trust vetofunk's expertise and experience. I'll just wait until Google puts me back where I belong. In the meantime, I'm still getting plenty of traffic from MSN and Yahoo so no complaints. If Google wants to ignore that it's their choice.
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hopefully so.
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Before someone misinterprets me I would like to comment that I never had a doubt on Vetofunk's experience and expertise.

I just stated what I thought could be a possible reason as I myself have been noticing such things from the past 3 weeks.

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open discussion here cyberax. no worries!! :-)

hey veto, your timing is impeccable.
my site that has many words dropped to oblivion, is regaining positioning for some of its keywords.

are you ..... a robot?
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Everyone's sites should slowing start coming about now.

I had sushi today with a few top Google reps from Chicago for Google Adwords today. I tried to get some information from them today about this problem, but they actually never heard anything about this update. I informed them about it and they were pretty clueless...except with ppc. They ensured me that having ppc ads had nothing to do with your free search positioning changes lately.
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Googlebot hit hard about 7PM EST last night for most of the night. Had close to 5000 hits from them yesterday altogether. In fact month to date as of this morning's stats I have 31394 from Google. In fact that number is 3 times the total amount of hits from Google I've had in the last 6 months combined.
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Hi,

I also noticed the same thing on all our forums and websites.

I think Google will also be now more active crawling like MSNBot.

Cheers,
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i have my personal website "http://www.aurelvoiculescu.com". if i do a search for "aurel voiculescu" using Yahoo or MSN it shows on the top of the list. It used to be the same in Google but now I cannot even find it.

Any thoughts with what I need to do?
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Hi Aurel,

Thank you for your note. Please be assured that your site is not currently banned or penalized by Google.

We understand your concern; however, these changes are consistent with the normal fluctuations outlined in our previous email. As we add new pages and incorporate updates to existing pages, you may see changes in the ranking and inclusion of sites in our index. Because our index changes regularly, it's possible your site will regain its ranking in a few weeks. In the meantime, we hope that you will review the helpful tips posted on our site.

Regards,
The Google Team

******

Still do not know what I need to do for my site: http://www.aurelvoiculescu.com for the keyword: "Aurel Voiculescu"
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vetofunk wrote:

I still think that everyone's site will come back eventually. I believe it is just temporary.


Well, veto, you were right on the money, at least for me. After the last backlink update, my results are back to pretty much where they were before the Feb 5th update.

If it wasn't for your thoughts quoted above and elsewhere, I would have been very frustrated. It did take some patience to wait it out though, but the good news is you were right.

//as a sidenote - taffic from Google kicked in bigtime again the last couple days.
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Looks like there is an update going on, seeing some changes in PR in some sites... :P
haven't affected my sites yet.
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I see dmoz dropped to PR8 for me, but I am not really seeing many changes here yet. Just a few very large sites changing.
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Interesting. I just looked at DMOZ and not only did PR drop form 9 to 8, their backlinks dropped from 321,000 to 61,000

I've been predicting all a long that the update will be April 1st. Will be interesting to see what happens today.

Happy "Google Fools" everyone! *lol
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I don't think there is an update today as none of my sites have even changed nor alot of my friends
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at the moment it is only the high pr sites that are changing
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Yesterday was a horrible day due to ThePlanet(one of the U.S. biggest DC) enermous network outgate which was last more than 8 hours and i think more than 2million websites were down due to this datacenter power system crashes...

and this was happened while 40 googlebot was on our site, i wish this wont effect the backlink counts, i am afraid so much this also will effect whole sites backlink counts too
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It would be interesting to see this update. I reckon the full update is coming up on tomorrow, 3rd april or something.
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Google indexed my whole site ... top to bottom ... March 23-24.

Expect to see at least a backlink update two to three weeks after that date ... about mid April (11 or 17 --- they seem to like weekend updates).

A PR update is due but when did Google ever follow a schedule? :lol:
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haha i agree. no schedule.

Quote:
they seem to like weekend updates).


interesting. I should take note of that.
on what date did the previous update happen?
i vaguely remembered it as start of month..
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Saturday Jan 01 was last PR update.
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Saturday Jan 01 was last PR update.


so now, its april 1 when they updated some of sites.
its looking to be quarterly updates and at beginning of months.
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I'm seeing no signs of a PR update or BL update :?:

What is everyone talking about ? You're personally seeing updates on your sites or just DMOZ ?
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Hi Friends,

I do not know if you all are also noticing the new BL update which I am seeing.

Well its more a shock to me as I am seeing the BL Update have been reverted back to our February BL count and this is not just for 1 site but for all site.

Are you also facing similar thing.

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cyberax wrote:
Hi Friends,

I do not know if you all are also noticing the new BL update which I am seeing.

Well its more a shock to me as I am seeing the BL Update have been reverted back to our February BL count and this is not just for 1 site but for all site.

Are you also facing similar thing.

Regards,
Vijay


Vijay it is not a BL update, Google is rotating datacenters which have the past BL records. At the first i assumed they are making some experiments according to the search result's differs between the last 3 PR updates but now it is already 3 weeks that Google still not accurate on the last BL update but rotating the datacenters for the Google.urls which is the new Google update that appeared 3 weeks ago, i am thinking.
But as you reported now stucked on February PR update and today most of our Google traffic stopped :(
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Thanks Dolay,

I also thought the same that it is not the latest BL update but I was surprised when I checked the following site that records every BL update and also make future predictions on when to expect the next BL and PR Update.

http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page- ... -list.html


Thanks for your help :)

Cheers,
Vijay
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it is not just you also i do not remember how many times i said myself -bingo BLs are being updating now.. for the last 10 days, It is going to be appeared a serious illness: GUP = Google Update Paranoia :lol: if Google insist on those unusual changes
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Well lets see when we get to see Google guys waking up and clicking the "PR Update" button :)

Lets hope it is done soon as too many new websites I had started which are still waiting to get a decent PR after so much of hard work with linking and directory submission.

Cheers,
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it is 7th of April and no PR update hm :)
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It appeared a sudden high googlebot activity at our site. This is not usual especially at those times. Wishing a BL update especially with a TBPR update :wink:
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http://www.mcdar.net/GoogleUpdateRecord.htm it is April 10 and still no update on Google even for Backlinks. This is a new backlink update delay record by today :cry:
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I used to eagerly anticipate these updates.... Now i've come to not even care anymore because of the games Google plays w/ webmasters. Just focus on building links and SEO.
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Agreed. *yawns and goes to take a nap
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I think G won't update anymore
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sumapark wrote:
I think G won't update anymore


Sure they will... otherwise you wouldn't see the PR bar anymore.

If they don't update Page Rank then there is no need for that annoying green bar.

And saying they won't update isn't true, because they always update backlinks, SERPS, etc.... Just no PR. :D
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If anyone is interested, I read an article on the upcoming spider algorithm at Google. Keeping up with them is a dynamic challenge.

http://www.site-reference.com/Search-En ... index.html
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still no update yet...
patiently waiting...
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64.233.171.147

http://www.darbyfamily.com/q-check/datatool.asp may see other datacenters here
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Hi,

I just checked there but it still doesnt show any update for me.

Its still the same old Backlink and none of the new sites got BL yet.

Regards,
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Where is our Forum Admin :)

Earlier I used to see his post so often but it seems like he is not active much these days.

Even the Forum is not that much buzzing. :(

Where are you all guys ?? please wake up

Cheers
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Are you talking about Bigwebmaster or Vetofunk? They're both around. Jess is on a short hiatus.
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I am still here. I am not seeing any change in backlinks either. Just the same 3 different values for backlinks we have had for many months now.
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Well I just checked on some of the other less visited domains and they are showing some movement.

So it looks to me a partial update so far.

Well keeping a watch and will update if any more news come.

Cheers,
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Interesting reading from McDar
http://www.mcdar.net/dance/index.php
http://www.mcdar.net/about-google-datacenters.htm

If you haven't read those yet, you might find them of interest.
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I saw this earlier ...

No changes for any of my sites :?:
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hey i never ever post a fake or false alarm here, it might be hard to believe but G first start to update backlinks from our site, i swear i see :lol:

http://www.darbyfamily.com/q-check/data ... nowriteIfs 1460 is our new backlink count, i also seeing from link: command our newly added baclinked pages which are not a month old and some of the previous recorded backlinks disappeared.
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uh oh hey there is really something strange for our site.
Now i am seeing 4 different backlink counts:
64.233.167.104 - (2) DCs 1460 (new)
64.233.171.104 - (4) DCs 1440 (new)
66.102.7.104 - (4) DCs 1440
66.102.9.104 - (2) DCs 1460
66.102.11.104 - (2) DCs 1460
216.239.37.104 - (4) DCs 1440
216.239.39.104 - (2) DCs 1440
216.239.53.104 - (2) DCs 113 (feb)
216.239.57.104 - (4) DCs 1440
216.239.59.104 - (3) DCs 1460
64.233.179.104 - (2) DCs 1460
64.233.183.104 - (3) DCs 122 (jan)

March 1500 is lost :?: huh whats that now
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Everything seems normal to me...
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dolay...I like your enthusiasm, but your obsession with this is killing me *lol -- relax dude. Let Google do it's thing.
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shhhh i see dead links :black:


:lol: i dont know whats happening exactly but thats what i see new strange updates appeared at our backlinks since 12hours by now..
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I see no change as of present for any datacenters
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no changes to my sites too.
I Cant wait any longer for update!!
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Good lord folks, the updates will happen when they happen. Have some patience and stop worrying about it. In the meantime, thank God for good MSN and Yahoo traffic!
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this is incredible Google only updated our backlinks and for twice within the day. :shock:
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Dolay, how much have you been watching? they've been shifting those since Feb 5. That's what I'm saying. Give it a rest and let them do their thing.
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ATNO/TW wrote:
Dolay, how much have you been watching? they've been shifting those since Feb 5. That's what I'm saying. Give it a rest and let them do their thing.

i am watching every day like more than a year

1460 (new)
1440 (new)
113 (feb)
122 (jan)

when the update appeared march BL count is lost which is 1500.
I also know those 1500 backlinks 1/10 of them deleted and new backlinks added at the 1440 and 1460 results.
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I saw what you saw. Google did a temporary shift, or something like that. I saw backlinks increase by a couple hundred on several datacenters. Shortly thereafter they were nowhere to be found. That's what I'm saying. Give it a rest and let them figure out what they want / need to do. In the end, I'm sure we'll all benefit by it.
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Googlebot is slamming my forums today... this is usually a good sign an update is underway. Hopefully a PR update.
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*sigh

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