AMD vs. INTEL.again.

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Intel's are O.K.

If I built an Intel system, this is what I would build:
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 650 Prescott LGA 775 EM64T Retail
Mobo: Intel BOXD945PVSLKR LGA 775 Intel 945P ATX Retail
Memory: 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 667
Vid: BFG Tech BFGR68256OCX Geforce 6800 256MB PCI-E x16 Retail


if i built an budget Intel system for a family member, cousin, friend or relative here's what i'd built

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, Epox EP-9NPA3J, Radeon X850 PE, 1GB (2x512) DDR400!

and put a big Intel Inside Label on the case hehehe...
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:lol:
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Wait for dual core from Intel.
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i thought Intel Dual Core is out already? anyhow, dual cores are quite expensive at the moment :(

so which one you go for EngLee??? :|
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EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?
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No comments. :)
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blink182av wrote:
EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?


HAHAHAHAHA!

people say AMD is the underdog, but i think they are doing pretty well so far :)
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manuleka wrote:
blink182av wrote:
EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?


HAHAHAHAHA!

people say AMD is the underdog, but i think they are doing pretty well so far :)


Actually...Apple was the first to have duel processors...with their G5. ;)

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Indel Dual COres are already out, and some are cheaper than the AMD Dual cores.
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Well, apple is just out there is nowhere's land it seems...
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Apple have just commited themselves to using Intel CPU's in all their new models.

As for the tension between Intel and AMD, they had at one point being working together [ back when IBM ruled supreme ] to produce a CPU. Intel and AMD had been working seperatly but decided to join forces. There was a bit of tension between the engineers and supposedly Intel "forgot" to mention certain things to the AMD engineers when passing on information.

Any truth in this will all come to light when the Intel and AMD go to court over this Monopoly issue.

As GT500Shlby has stated, Intel already has Dual Core CPU's in production :
http://www.intel.com/personal/desktopco ... /index.htm

Intel are currently lagging a little behind AMD in the Dual Core department, but thats not to say their CPU's are rubbish.
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The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).
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GT500Shlby wrote:
The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).


Intel are currently struggling with the Dual Core at the moment [ running slower and hotter than AMD X2's ], god knows what would happen if they attempted that ;)

I read a while back that there is a company looking into making a seperate chip for mathematic and physics calculations. That would be another function removed from the CPU leaving it free to look after the components better.
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I use Intel based systems at work for all the typical office stuff and the networked pc's, but at home I use an AMD based system as I find the AMD's to be much more fluid for the gaming that I do.
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A big round robin. Off-die math coprocessors to on-die math coprocessor to off-die math coprocessors again. I guess with the FSB and the HTT's being so fast it wouldn't become a bottleneck until they can make the processes even smaller to be able to fit that on-die again.

Sun UltraSparc's have asymetrical cores on their processors at a true 64bit architecture. They mioght even have a true multithreading architecture. That coupled with the XBOX 360 having a sick processor it kind of makes what AMD & Intel are doing look obsolete.
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Enigmatic wrote:
GT500Shlby wrote:
The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).


Intel are currently struggling with the Dual Core at the moment [ running slower and hotter than AMD X2's ], god knows what would happen if they attempted that ;)

I read a while back that there is a company looking into making a seperate chip for mathematic and physics calculations. That would be another function removed from the CPU leaving it free to look after the components better.


physicsX chip you mean? does all the physics for games. Takes strain off the CPU and should increase performance.
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Thats exactly what I was on about, just couldn't for the life of me remeber the name of the thing.

Hoping they will adopt this because it should be better all round having dedicated maths & physics calculations done this way.
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Hopefully though they make it accessible by two ways: One way would be completely transparent so the processor would automatically forward most pertaining calculations directly to that chip. So even games/programs not directly written for systems with that chip could benefit, not as much as say if they wrote in the direct API's but still a benefit. Second would be direct access to the chip from games/programs with an API.

Two problems is making a pathway to the chip from the processor without making it a bottleneck. Second would be cooling that chip down. Since on AMD systems the northbridge is directly on the chip, the previous northbridge location and bus could be used for the PhysicX chip. Then with bus speeds hitting high marks, this sucker is going to run at least at 800Mhz. Might even do 1Ghz. That would throw off some real heat.
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PhysicX chips are first comming in ad in cards in PCI or PCIE. Your right they could eventually intergrate the chips into the northbridge for P4 systems or put it on the hypertransport bus for AMD64s.
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AMD.

the clock speed(ie 2.8Ghz) is a measure of POWER not speed its in the FSB and intel uses(to my knowladge) a max FSB of 800MHz on both their unicore and multicore CPUs whereas AMDs Max FSB is 1.0GHz on their unicoreCPUs and their duel cores are true duel cores with a doubled FSB

Hows that?

and X Spiffy i like it when people do a head to head comparison to proove a point
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AMD is better for Games and Intel is better for Office Programs.
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Simple question. Which one is better for pure gaming ?
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Most will say AMD but either one will do fine.
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Put it this way, I had an old Celeron 2.4ghz prescott core and it sucked like turd when compared to my new Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0ghz Venice core. I know this comparison isnt a valid one as the Anthlon 64 cost more and is a newer modle, but heck even on Tom's hardware, dolar for dolar wise, AMD offers better performance than it's Intel counterparts. But this was for gaming benchmarks, I dont think you would get the same results for applications as Intel has more raw power to harness upon (I am stabbing in the dark here). Many high end computers choose AMDs, could be a preference or more likely to be reliabilty and stability.

Bottom line; if you have a choice choose AMD [lol sounds like an ad]
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Unless you want to install OS X. =]

[Edit] Well gee, apparently not: http://www.ozzu.com/hardware/info-osx-amd-t65570.html
I had no idea. I thought OS X could only be installed on Intel.
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justG wrote:
Unless you want to install OS X. =]

[Edit] Well gee, apparently not: http://www.ozzu.com/hardware/info-osx-amd-t65570.html
I had no idea. I thought OS X could only be installed on Intel.


yes after some looking in to it even more you can use AMD for OSX..
my 2500 dont use sse2 but my dell does(intel).. but my new computer will have a AMD with sse2 so it will all be good...
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apple should make their compatibility known to the computing world and then try to sell their os as microsoft does. i'd pay $130 for an os with the core functionality of vista...
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i have a feeeling that within the next few months...intel will dominate....jm2c
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/07/14/core_2_duo_benchmark_results/

intel is doing damage...
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AMD is better TIME INFINITY! :!: :!:
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