AMD vs. INTEL.again.

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Hey hey everyone, the battle that never ends has returned....but only to ask a question:

[color= lightblue]Intel has higher GHz than AMD, but everyone claims AMD is a faster processor. However these same people are the ones that go to thier little LAN Parties and play games, which I do not, obviously. So overall, without bias(if you can do that) which ones are truly faster(remember these forums are to help people not make them buy something that isn't really faster its just what you like more).[/color]
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You can look up research all day about processor comparisons, but from my personal experience I prefer AMD.

Either manufacturer will probably allow you to do whatever your computing needs desire, but AMD will be less money. I have never had more problems with Intel, but I simply prefer to save $$.

Then again I am not a LAN party or even a video game person.
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ManicalIdiot wrote:
Hey hey everyone, the battle that never ends has returned....but only to ask a question:

Intel has higher GHz than AMD, but everyone claims AMD is a faster processor. However these same people are the ones that go to thier little LAN Parties and play games, which I do not, obviously. So overall, without bias(if you can do that) which ones are truly faster(remember these forums are to help people not make them buy something that isn't really faster its just what you like more).[/b]


If you don't want to listen to other people's opinions, go do your own research.
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Dollar for Dollar, AMD is the better choice. I switched from Intel to AMD 12 years ago, and never looked back. The only intel machines I have now are ones people have given me for free. I wouldn't pay for any intel processor/machine.
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TomK wrote:
If you don't want to listen to other people's opinions, go do your own research.



Now now, play nice, I just don't want some Intel or AMD worm going around every forum copying and pasting some prewritten rant about thier favorite processor.
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i used to be an intel dude..but when intel started putting the $$$$ before the product is when i went to AMD and now i would defend AMD to the death,i just love them....less money and slower clock speeds than a large P4 but yet the Athlon 64 upper CPU's kick intel's CPU's out the door....

I do a lot of video editing,rendering,work and on intel it was ok but with AMD i get work done fast and right,i have even watched a DVD movie on the same computer as i render some movie projects down to an AVI or MPEG file...but what i mean to say is,u well be VERY happy with AMD..

I would recommend any of the 64 bits..........
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I work for a computer store and for the last 5 years, every computer except for 1 has been built AMD ( one customer wouldn't budge). The price/performance issue is a no brainer. I could care less about the speeds, because both manufacturers put out comparable chips, it just depends on how much you want to pay. I use AMD because the comparable chips are usually half the price.
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Intel and AMD do not put out comparable chips. They are both totally different, some have there strengths and some have there weakness'.

The current Dual core chips from both companies are quite good, although the Intel does have some major heat issues. The stock heatsink lets the processor hit about 75c after a couple of hours of full load on both cores.
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*plum* wrote:
Intel and AMD do not put out comparable chips. They are both totally different, some have there strengths and some have there weakness'.


If this is true, all the lab tests independant companies / hardware folks do must be a crock of lies then. If they are not comparable, you cannont compare them to get results on which is performs better.
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Point, i think i need to rephrase, there not totally different. Both of them have the strengths and weekness's. It is not fare to use a totally biased towards intel test. And then say from this single result that one is better than the other.
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appoligies for the double post but im just fed up with blatent fanboyism towards Intel or AMD. Choose a CPU that suits YOUR!! needs, not one that is ment for something totally different, e.g. dont buy a dual core CPU unless you do lots of multitasking or use multitreaded aplications.
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*plum* wrote:
e.g. dont buy a dual core CPU unless you do lots of multitasking or use multitreaded aplications.


Or have copious amounts of spare cash gathering in piles on the floor in your house. Or just want to boast to all your mates you have the latest and greatest technology !! :lol:
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lol, ive got too agree with you there.
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You want to know what to build?

Go with your gut sir. Both of these companies build CPU's that are on the cutting edge of technological evolution, and both will work wonderfully in any workstation that you choose to build.

This question is mearly one of preference...plain and simple.

One side of the discussion will tell you that AMD is the ONLY way to go and to do otherwise is foolishness. Then there are people in the Intel camp that will tell you the same thing about their procs. This is purly a matter of preference.

As to the matter of your clock rating...AMD uses (generally) a 10-20 step pipeline in the processors, where Intel uses up to 36. Because of this AMD is able to get instructions in and out in fewer cycles (unfortunately this doesn't always translate into faster within the application).

My advice to you is simply this:

Choose a platform that you like, and holds the amount of upgradeability that you personally desire in a computer, and go with it. There are other things that will affect performance for you to worry about like video, RAM, MoBo Chipset, and HDD. 8)

As long as you buy parts that are all compatable with each other, and "get along" you won't be disapointed with either one.

Game on. :)
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AMD makes great chips, bar none. I know people who are Intel nuts and they like their systems, and they have some nice systems. But, their architecture is getting old. They throw ultra-fast clocks, and huge caches on an oversized memory bus and they make the end-run around a true design of a processor.

AMD has more registers, hands down. However, most applications were designed purely for the Intel chips, hence why certain apps run better on Intel.

However, AMD and Microsoft teamed up and had optimized Windows XP to run top-notch on the Athlon XP. Windows still runs top-notch on the Intel, too. But when you install windows it chooses the right driver for your chip.

Unfortunately most of the corporate world uses Intel, except me because I have the pay grade to finagle a few grand from the budget and build myself a few decent workstations for my server-closet of an office. I like it, even though prisoners get larger cells with a window at least. But hey, at least I got the systems I wanted and its nice and cold in here so I can’t complain.
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i think the best intel cpu is the 3.4 HT with extremem tech....

then the best amd fx-55 clocks in at 5.2 or something like that smokes INTEL.
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i didnt know they had the FX overclocked that high....God that thing must scream..heck it screams now let alone at 2x the clock speed
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Yes, I believe the FX-55 clocks in at 5.2Ghz.
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Now from Intel to AMD they are both good chips,it just how the way the engineer make tham better every different ways.. now i see that Intel are high $$ at there FSB and to the GHZ range they make tham by the clock setting and Bios setting of ways to do the job. AMD in the other hand integrated FSB and there GHZ core is staying at a lower speed but BIOS setting and ways are different by multifactor ways on Intel and AMD
its all depens on the motherboard config that get the chip to do its job.
in some ways yeah AMD is good at there 3D stuff and redering color and RGB and pictures details and makeing it look nice and speed for some task... now Intel are very good for moveing things to one to another and they also have 64 bit witch it make it likes AMD ways 3d stuff. and games and also other task works.. it just both good.. now IBM whoa AMD and Intel want some Info from IBM they way there makeing 128 bit and different engineer ways from thoes chips. nothing worng with Intel nothing worng with AMD.. they are both good :roll:
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a test i ran...

i bought a game (ground control II) which is not a HUGE game,but not a small one either..

so,i took the minimum systems requirements for AMD and intel for the game. and evened them out and used 2 systems...listed below

AMD Athlon XP 2600+
(family members)
intel Pentium III 1Ghz
(friends)

Both have same RAM (256) / video cards (Mad Dog PREDATOR MX 4000 Plus) / hard drives (40GB WD IDE 7200RPM)

Running intel first.....the games showed that the intel system did play the game well at low settings and with a little time was able to progress through the game...then AMD,the Athlon played the game faster and more smooth than the intel and with less load time and faster on the fly processing.....
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what is more faster, AMD or INTEL processors?
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The question is not what is faster, it is what you are using it for.

AMD - Gaming.
Intel - Applications.

AMD's GHz are worth more than Intel's, do not be fooled.
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There has been countless debates and posts over that, throughout the history of the internet. There is no answer, its only opinion and preference.

Personally I prefer an AMD system, I do not like Intel based systems.
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yeah you should search link and do a search on that topic. there are some pretty useful information about that topic here at this forum.
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i agree with that... depends on some factors like

1) personal preference or favor
2) the purpose of the system
3) budget for the system

for example,
i prefer AMD as i find their CPUs cheaper (when compared to performance)
its 64bit CPUs are pretty damn fast :)

but as Kap-Vu said, you can do a search here on ozzu or just do a google and you'd get alot of benchmarkings and comparisons out there online. Either way they are both good CPUs :)

good luck
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intel!
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shyguyjeff wrote:
what is more faster, AMD or INTEL processors?


ever thought about Cyrix? hehe...
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I thought Cyrix was only making embedded systems now.

What ever happened to Crusoe?
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Moey wrote:
intel!


Cannot remember the last time i saw somebody say that...

I much prefer AMD. they are cheaper and faster. I have an FX55 (2.6ghz) and my brother and mom have a P4 2.53. The 300mhz difference is small, but the performance difference is huge. Even for applications.
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Intel's are O.K.

If I built an Intel system, this is what I would build:
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 650 Prescott LGA 775 EM64T Retail
Mobo: Intel BOXD945PVSLKR LGA 775 Intel 945P ATX Retail
Memory: 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 667
Vid: BFG Tech BFGR68256OCX Geforce 6800 256MB PCI-E x16 Retail
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GT500Shlby wrote:
Intel's are O.K.

If I built an Intel system, this is what I would build:
Processor: Intel Pentium 4 650 Prescott LGA 775 EM64T Retail
Mobo: Intel BOXD945PVSLKR LGA 775 Intel 945P ATX Retail
Memory: 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 667
Vid: BFG Tech BFGR68256OCX Geforce 6800 256MB PCI-E x16 Retail


if i built an budget Intel system for a family member, cousin, friend or relative here's what i'd built

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, Epox EP-9NPA3J, Radeon X850 PE, 1GB (2x512) DDR400!

and put a big Intel Inside Label on the case hehehe...
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:lol:
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Wait for dual core from Intel.
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i thought Intel Dual Core is out already? anyhow, dual cores are quite expensive at the moment :(

so which one you go for EngLee??? :|
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EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?
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No comments. :)
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blink182av wrote:
EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?


HAHAHAHAHA!

people say AMD is the underdog, but i think they are doing pretty well so far :)
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manuleka wrote:
blink182av wrote:
EngLee wrote:
Wait for dual core from Intel.


You mean wait until Intel copies AMD yet again?


HAHAHAHAHA!

people say AMD is the underdog, but i think they are doing pretty well so far :)


Actually...Apple was the first to have duel processors...with their G5. ;)

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Indel Dual COres are already out, and some are cheaper than the AMD Dual cores.
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Well, apple is just out there is nowhere's land it seems...
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Apple have just commited themselves to using Intel CPU's in all their new models.

As for the tension between Intel and AMD, they had at one point being working together [ back when IBM ruled supreme ] to produce a CPU. Intel and AMD had been working seperatly but decided to join forces. There was a bit of tension between the engineers and supposedly Intel "forgot" to mention certain things to the AMD engineers when passing on information.

Any truth in this will all come to light when the Intel and AMD go to court over this Monopoly issue.

As GT500Shlby has stated, Intel already has Dual Core CPU's in production :
http://www.intel.com/personal/desktopco ... /index.htm

Intel are currently lagging a little behind AMD in the Dual Core department, but thats not to say their CPU's are rubbish.
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The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).
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GT500Shlby wrote:
The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).


Intel are currently struggling with the Dual Core at the moment [ running slower and hotter than AMD X2's ], god knows what would happen if they attempted that ;)

I read a while back that there is a company looking into making a seperate chip for mathematic and physics calculations. That would be another function removed from the CPU leaving it free to look after the components better.
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I use Intel based systems at work for all the typical office stuff and the networked pc's, but at home I use an AMD based system as I find the AMD's to be much more fluid for the gaming that I do.
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A big round robin. Off-die math coprocessors to on-die math coprocessor to off-die math coprocessors again. I guess with the FSB and the HTT's being so fast it wouldn't become a bottleneck until they can make the processes even smaller to be able to fit that on-die again.

Sun UltraSparc's have asymetrical cores on their processors at a true 64bit architecture. They mioght even have a true multithreading architecture. That coupled with the XBOX 360 having a sick processor it kind of makes what AMD & Intel are doing look obsolete.
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GT500Shlby wrote:
The next step would be asymetrical cores where each core is optimized to do certain operations. For instance a gaming core and an application core, or even a services core and a compile on-demand core (great for web-based java apps).


Intel are currently struggling with the Dual Core at the moment [ running slower and hotter than AMD X2's ], god knows what would happen if they attempted that ;)

I read a while back that there is a company looking into making a seperate chip for mathematic and physics calculations. That would be another function removed from the CPU leaving it free to look after the components better.


physicsX chip you mean? does all the physics for games. Takes strain off the CPU and should increase performance.
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Thats exactly what I was on about, just couldn't for the life of me remeber the name of the thing.

Hoping they will adopt this because it should be better all round having dedicated maths & physics calculations done this way.
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Hopefully though they make it accessible by two ways: One way would be completely transparent so the processor would automatically forward most pertaining calculations directly to that chip. So even games/programs not directly written for systems with that chip could benefit, not as much as say if they wrote in the direct API's but still a benefit. Second would be direct access to the chip from games/programs with an API.

Two problems is making a pathway to the chip from the processor without making it a bottleneck. Second would be cooling that chip down. Since on AMD systems the northbridge is directly on the chip, the previous northbridge location and bus could be used for the PhysicX chip. Then with bus speeds hitting high marks, this sucker is going to run at least at 800Mhz. Might even do 1Ghz. That would throw off some real heat.
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PhysicX chips are first comming in ad in cards in PCI or PCIE. Your right they could eventually intergrate the chips into the northbridge for P4 systems or put it on the hypertransport bus for AMD64s.
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AMD.

the clock speed(ie 2.8Ghz) is a measure of POWER not speed its in the FSB and intel uses(to my knowladge) a max FSB of 800MHz on both their unicore and multicore CPUs whereas AMDs Max FSB is 1.0GHz on their unicoreCPUs and their duel cores are true duel cores with a doubled FSB

Hows that?

and X Spiffy i like it when people do a head to head comparison to proove a point
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AMD is better for Games and Intel is better for Office Programs.
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Simple question. Which one is better for pure gaming ?
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Most will say AMD but either one will do fine.
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Put it this way, I had an old Celeron 2.4ghz prescott core and it sucked like turd when compared to my new Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0ghz Venice core. I know this comparison isnt a valid one as the Anthlon 64 cost more and is a newer modle, but heck even on Tom's hardware, dolar for dolar wise, AMD offers better performance than it's Intel counterparts. But this was for gaming benchmarks, I dont think you would get the same results for applications as Intel has more raw power to harness upon (I am stabbing in the dark here). Many high end computers choose AMDs, could be a preference or more likely to be reliabilty and stability.

Bottom line; if you have a choice choose AMD [lol sounds like an ad]
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Unless you want to install OS X. =]

[Edit] Well gee, apparently not: http://www.ozzu.com/hardware/info-osx-amd-t65570.html
I had no idea. I thought OS X could only be installed on Intel.
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justG wrote:
Unless you want to install OS X. =]

[Edit] Well gee, apparently not: http://www.ozzu.com/hardware/info-osx-amd-t65570.html
I had no idea. I thought OS X could only be installed on Intel.


yes after some looking in to it even more you can use AMD for OSX..
my 2500 dont use sse2 but my dell does(intel).. but my new computer will have a AMD with sse2 so it will all be good...
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apple should make their compatibility known to the computing world and then try to sell their os as microsoft does. i'd pay $130 for an os with the core functionality of vista...
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i have a feeeling that within the next few months...intel will dominate....jm2c
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/07/14/core_2_duo_benchmark_results/

intel is doing damage...
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AMD is better TIME INFINITY! :!: :!:
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Benda wrote:
AMD is better TIMES INFINITY! :!: :!:
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zOMG
intel wooped amd booty :shock: :lol: not just in applications...gaming also
its amazing
and i dont think the prices are high compared to amd's :roll:
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psuedofy wrote:
zOMG
intel wooped amd booty :shock: :lol: not just in applications...gaming also
its amazing
and i dont think the prices are high compared to amd's :roll:


hahahaha, good one psuedofy! any p4 that i have used with a new copy of xp is slower then my amd 2500+ (it is over clocked by 10%)
in my own day to day tests, playing call of duty or on the web editing photos... amd always comes out on top..
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CowKiller wrote:
psuedofy wrote:
zOMG
intel wooped amd booty :shock: :lol: not just in applications...gaming also
its amazing
and i dont think the prices are high compared to amd's :roll:


hahahaha, good one psuedofy! any p4 that i have used with a new copy of xp is slower then my amd 2500+ (it is over clocked by 10%)
in my own day to day tests, playing call of duty or on the web editing photos... amd always comes out on top..


intel has brought to life a new chip....different from the pentium 4...totally different archetectureing...
the intel core 2 duo....conroe chips... they beat the flagship amd chips check it out at tomshardware.com
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This is a stupid argument.

AMD Fanboys will not abandon their proc no matter what stats you show them.

Intel fanboys will not abandon their proc no matter what stats you show them.

Same goes for the nVidia vs ATi debate.
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grinch2171 wrote:
Same goes for the nVidia vs ATi debate.


go nVidia
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what about the blasphemous love-child i call my laptop. its a nvidia+Intel contraption.

btw. conroe has kind of made me "defect" to the Intel side.
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what is the price range on Intel's #1 chip and amd's #1 chip?
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amd fx-62 == $1045;
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 == $999;

price for amd quoted from newegg, and the intel from this anandtech article
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AMD is better, (assume fetal position cover ears and close eyes rock back and forth) AMD AMD AMD AMD IS BETTER TIMES INFINITY :!:
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grinch2171 wrote:
This is a stupid argument.
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Agreed. You can almost never changed a deeply rooted opinion.
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The Core2 Conroe Intel chips do look awesome [ even though I am a big fan of AMD ], might have to get me a Core2 based system built up once I've updated my AMD rig ....
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anyone have any idea how much amd will be dropping thier processor prices once conroe hits market?
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conroe has hit the market. check the amd prices.
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conroe wont hit the market until the 24th of july
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my bad
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