New AGP Card

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Ok I currently have an AOpen Geforce 6600gt Aeolus which has dissapointed me here and there but its been good for other spots.

I dont have a PCI-E slot but I have an AGP slot which is what I buy my video cards for.

I'm looking to buy this Radeon X850 Pro AGP (http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2699206).

I have a $300 budget on this so that would be perfect. I'm asking you guys since i'm wondering if that would be the best choice because ive heard that the X850's are very good; also i have read countless reviews of the card and most reviews (at least 85%) give it a 5/5 stars.

I was planning on finding out what you guys think. My current pc specs are.


Intel Celeron 2.4 Ghz
1 GB DDR RAM
120 GB Primary HDD
200 GB Secondary HDD
17" SyncMaster 730 V Flatscreen Monitor (has 8ms refresh i think.)


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You might be better served to upgrade your motherboard and processor. Your processor is a big bottleneck and you might not see much of a performance increase with a new graphics card. Also, buying a new motherboard will allow you to buy a PCI-E graphics card.
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yeah, nobody likes a celeron. i agree with tomk, you should get a new mobo and proc.

Radeon X800GTO ( $174.00)
This video card can be flashed to a x800xt and overclocked with stock cooling to 850 speeds


MSI 915P COMBO-F Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 915P ATX Intel Motherboard($86.00)


Intel Pentium 4 630 Prescott 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T ($170.50)

Total is $438.50
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are there any boards around that price that have more pci slots?
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why.... how many do u need ?
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the new mobo that i posted has 3 slots. i dont think you can get more, a pci-e slot for under 100
you cant have your cake and eat it to...unless your a fatty and really want it :P
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Like it was said....the prob is not your graphic card...is the cpu!
I really don´t understand that kind of thinking...you have a lousy cpu (celeron is really bad!!!!) and instead of upgrading the heart of your computer you want to spend a lot of money upgrading a graphic card (from a new one....)
With that cpu you can have the best graphic card in the market that you will never be satisfied because you will never get full performance with it!
Stay with tha 6600 gt (i have one and i play all games with the higher settings available)....upgrade instead the mobo and the cpu (with 300€ you can buy a good cpu and mobo...and if you turn to amd system a really good cpu and mobo!Like AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1GHz FSB Socket 939,for about 200$..and with 100§ you can buy a good mobo also...)...and then you will see what that graphic card is capable of!
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hes right
a celeron is like those time warner commercials you see with the milkshake and the two different straws. celeron is the proverbial dsl straw.
i have an agp system right now with a 6800 and because its decently balanced, i can run all games i have on high settings.
if you wanna keep you agp card [theres really nothing wrong with it] then this is the upgrade path you should follow:
3500+ venice (apparently cooler, better, supports sse3) ($201.00)
and a
asus av8 mobo ($88.00)

There you go

// ps it has 5 pci slots!
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Ok, I'll see about upgrading my mobo and processor.

Quick Question...

I've heard the prescott chips have really bad heat problems, is that true and is there a good processor thats as good as it (intel) but doesnt heat as much?
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Will this processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116198)
Fit my current Intel 478 socket?

I'm honestly not quite sure what im doing.
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No..that cpu won´t fit..it has to be socket 478 that one is 775.
Yes,the prescott cpu´s do heat a lot (i have a 3.0 prescott and had to put a zalman to keep it under 50º..now is usually at 40\50º idle\load)

What mobo do you currently have?
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im not sure
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im not sure


but for that new processor, what kind of cooling option would you recommend? can you link me to a good one?
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Use everest to see what mobo do you have:
http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1
Because your mobo may not be compatible with,prescott,for instance (and might need some upgrade too),and with a good mobo the performance of the 6600gt will increase.
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xamix wrote:
Like it was said....the prob is not your graphic card...is the cpu!
I really don´t understand that kind of thinking...you have a lousy cpu (celeron is really bad!!!!) and instead of upgrading the heart of your computer you want to spend a lot of money upgrading a graphic card (from a new one....)
With that cpu you can have the best graphic card in the market that you will never be satisfied because you will never get full performance with it!
Stay with tha 6600 gt (i have one and i play all games with the higher settings available)....upgrade instead the mobo and the cpu (with 300€ you can buy a good cpu and mobo...and if you turn to amd system a really good cpu and mobo!Like AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1GHz FSB Socket 939,for about 200$..and with 100§ you can buy a good mobo also...)...and then you will see what that graphic card is capable of!


wow i like this guy

either go with what 4ss_munk3y said

or for a cheaper system that beats your celeron senseless but wont break the bank you can go with the folowing

CPU:
sempron 64 754 Palermo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104231
or athlon 64 754 Newcastle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103424

AGP compatible Motherboard:
ASUS K8N Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131512

PCIe compatible Motherboard:
ASUS K8N4-E DELUXE Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131533

And if you still want to get a new vid card may i suggest

these are all of my fave ATi offerings

AGP:
ATI 100-435603 Radeon X850XT 256MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102570

PCIe:
HIS Hightech PQ80LNV-4I-ZPC Radeon X800XL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161143

ATI 100-435705 Radeon X1800XT 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102624

if this is confusing or anything of the like im sorry
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Ok, im going to upgrade my mobo and processor and get a new card.

Ive seen about all the Radeon X850 Pro 256 MB video cards at a $289.99-$299.99 price range...but I found this Asus Radeon X850 Pro 256 MB for $219.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814121534)

Is there any big difference that would create a price range $80 less than the others?
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well, for one, the one that is in the link is after rebate, but even then, its still around a 60 dollar difference, what is different is nothing, they both run at the same speeds, hardware specs are identical. i think it may just be a brand hing, asus is always quality and usually cheaper.

// yeah, xamix may be the new grimsiht [had to get it past the *plum* filter] he provides links to back up input and can verify everything he says.
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So far from what i've heard from people on here, andmy friend who has an Asus Motherboard, Asus is a really good company that can be trusted...correct?
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Frostbyt3 wrote:
So far from what i've heard from people on here, andmy friend who has an Asus Motherboard, Asus is a really good company that can be trusted...correct?


Well...not quite :)
For intel systems asus is definitly a good bet...but for amd systems that´s not so true,for instance asus skt 939 ->the best thing to do is to stay away..
if you´re going to upgrade to amd i would recomend msi.(something like MSI K8N Neo2)
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Ok, well thanks guy.

I think im going to go with what you guys have suggested earlier I think.

These 3 (not including card)
Processor : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116198
MoBo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813130495
Card : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814121534

Is that all good?
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yep, everything is compatible. i might wait for someone else to come along and give input, but everything looks good.
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ok, what would you recommend for better cooling so I can get rid of this stock stuff, also i dont plan on going water cooling.

just wondering because i managed to get my card up to 58* C today for awhile because i lanned with some friends and it was exhausting some hot air, also the PSU seemed a little hotter than usual.

either way, what would you guys recommend?
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If you're not going to overclock, there's really no reason to upgrade your cooling.
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True, but what i've known is the fact that most problems of PCs is that it doesnt recieve sufficient cooling, thus making it run slow, glitchy, and even crashing.

What i'll do is probably end up getting a better heatsink and fan instead of the Intel stock.
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If you went for an amd system you woud´ve got a much better system for the same cash...but that´s your choice.


As for cooling,Zalman is a good bet.... i have a zalman CNPS7000B-Cu with a prescott and the idle temp is about 41º and full 45\50º (remember that it´s a prescott-before the idle usually was above 50º)
In the graphic card i have a vf700-alcu and the idle temps droped about 10º and in full they are about 50\55º (6600 gt that also has big temps ..it used to be 55º in idle mode..and went to above 65º in full)
And this are not the bet coolers of zalman...so you can see that it´s really a good cooler.

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