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I am thinking about getting watercooling, I know how it works, how to set it up... etc. One thing I am not sure of is what company is the best, coolest, and most reliable. I do not want my $3000 computer frying because of something stupid -_-. If someone can post their thoughts and/or opinions on what they believe is the best company for watercooling (ie. PolarFLO, Swiftech, DangerDen... etc)


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Specifications (if you need them)
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
4GB Corsair TwinX XMS Platinum
(x2) ASUS nVidia 6800 Ultra 256mb
SB Audigy 2 ZS Gamer Limited Edition

--- Will be getting an Enermax 600 Watt Noisetaker

I cannot also decide what case to get. Preferrably on http://www.xoxide.com

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Lol - I forgot my processor :)

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I'm thinking of building something similar. I'm gonna get a VapoChill. But its $860
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yeah, i have heard about that, i am not gonna spend more than 500 for the case, psu, and water cooling.
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See thats my problem. I have a budget of $3k, but I'm going $1,500 on Case, PSU and cooling alone
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sounds like my budget my first time around :) hehe... but any ideas on cases? i was thinking the ASUS, Thermaltakes, or Lian Li V1000 --- im in a world of confusion lol
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I'm going Lian-Li PC-V1100B
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here are some links to the cases i was thinking of :o

1. ASUS Vento (black) http://xoxide.com/asus-vento-3600-pc-case-black.html

2. Lian Li V1000 (silver) http://xoxide.com/lianlipcv1000.html

3. Thermaltake Tsunami VA3000BWA (black or silver) http://xoxide.com/tttsunami.html / http://xoxide.com/tttsunami1.html

4. Thermaltake Soprano w/ Window (black or silver) http://xoxide.com/thermaltake-soprano-case-black.html / http://xoxide.com/thermaltake-soprano-case-silver.html


First i want to narrow it down to the best model for me, then choose the color, while keeping in mind watercooling :) <3


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for the watercooling so far, i was thinking of all swiftech

GPU - Swiftech MCW50
Chipset - Swiftech MCW20-K
Reservoir - Swiftech MCRES-525
Tubing - Coolsleeves 500
Pump - Swiftech MCP350
Radiator - Have not decided
CPU - Swiftech MCW-6000/2-64


any suggestions?
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If this is your first time using water cooling i suggest a waterchill setup. A dual radiator setup with a high flow pump, the L30 should be great. As for a case the coolermaster stackers is perfect for watercooling due to all of the room. Its one of the only cases that can fit a dual radiator without needing modding.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Complete_Kits.html
- Waterchill.


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolermaster_Cases_126.html - Coolermaster Stacker.
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Okay, I checked out the case - I see there is A LOT of room, but there are no quick-releases :( Is there a way you can by them for it. I am kinda lazy and addicted to those things. haha. Also - Post links in USD if you can. I understand if you are from europe, but can you convert.

Thanks again - trying to make this possible and the best i can do

also - have you checked the dimensions of the Thermaltake - Overall, they are very close
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*plum* wrote:
If this is your first time using water cooling i suggest a waterchill setup. A dual radiator setup with a high flow pump, the L30 should be great. As for a case the coolermaster stackers is perfect for watercooling due to all of the room. Its one of the only cases that can fit a dual radiator without needing modding.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Complete_Kits.html
- Waterchill.


http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Coolermaster_Cases_126.html - Coolermaster Stacker.


Methinks Grim works for VapoChill. :lol:

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Also - Post links in USD if you can. I understand if you are from europe, but can you convert.

It's easy conversion, just multiply the british sterling or euro number by 2. That get's you close enough. If your talking about canadian dollars just divide it by 1000000000000.

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yeah man, if i lived in canada i would be loaded -- haha

also - can you buy those quick-release things for the PCI-slots and the drives seprately?

that would be great if you could
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I've built many^255 systems in my lifetime. Nothing beats a good old case screw and an electric screwdriver.
Everyone has tricks of the trade. Stuff like that isn't one of them.
I actually hacked up an old freon tank to an air compressor I took off a junked haybailer and I use that to blow dust from computers I work on. Now that's a trick of the trade. OR a sign of severe computer hardware addiction.
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well, personally, i do not build computers for a living. this is just for me, in the future i will be taking parts in and out. i do not have an electric screw driver. i will think about getting one. and can i see a picture of that contraption that you built?
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When I get a chance I'll pm you a pic of it.
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you also mensioned that you use an electric screwdriver? i am thinking about getting one. i think i found one, but i need to know if it is too powerful or too week or just fine :)


Black & Decker
Pivot Plus Cordless Drill/Screwdriver
Model PD600


- $25.00 for a 7 volt electric screwdriver at Home Depot
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Nice choice! See the pivot is what makes it more useful. However you may run into a jam in tight spaces or on some lips of the cases when trying to get at pci cards. WIth that I have a 8cm #2 phillips head bit. gives you extra reach to angle it into hard to reach places.

back on the watercooler. I have to concur with grim. Get a pre-made watercooler system for your first attempts at water cooling.

It's a lot of money to be fooling with, and no amount of howto's make up for experience.
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An 8cm #2 phillips head bit. huh, i will check my dad's tool box for that. also, i found a funny link. This is a total exageration.


http://www.dansdata.com/sbs3.htm


Personally - I laughed when I read some of this.
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I see what you are saying about the kit's though. I still cannot decide on the right case, when I choose the case, I will choose the kit. Right now it is probably between the Thermaltake Soprano and the CoolerMaster WaveMaster. asdf
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before i get the screwdriver, do you know if they make quick-release things like on the soprano case that you can install on a case (ie. quick-release PCI, hdd, cd-rom
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maybe i should get the soprano and mod it out to fit the dual 120mm? thoughts suggestions?
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If you want tool-less quick releases and a large enough case, look at the Kandalf. Steer away from case modification if you don't have to.
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well, is it a nessecity to have dual 120mm fan radiator, cant i just have it on the back of the computer?
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okay, i am going to go w/ http://xoxide.com/hspc-tech-station-large-black.html most likely, now i have to pick out a watercooling system - thanks for all your feedback so far guys - specially GT500Shlby
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koolance or waterchill look most promising.
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Some of the swiftec kits are worth a look. The koolance kits are good but very over priced. If your going to get the waterchill kit make sure you get a case which is big enough to house it. You will need a full tower case with at least 1 120mm fan mount to fit it without any modification, or it being a very tight squeeze. As for that case why not get a half decent case, or just buy a table and have it on there???. Thats what i do for overclocking and benchmarking. Just my 2 cents though...
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grim -- yea, i was originally thinking about swiftech. the case i am seriously thinking about getting, and may order today is http://xoxide.com/hspc-tech-station-large-black.html

this case has duel 120mm fans for a nice radiator, the only thing about the waterchill is the price.
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now i am thinking about the "AquaBay Series" by Thermaltake
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It's about time they released those. I was waiting and Thermaltake kept saying "soon, soon".
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i am not sure if they did yet.. i was looking everywhere. along with those i would get the kandalf or the armor because of their ventalation and their bays.

also, do you know how good those are.. i look it up and i find "nothing"
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The Kandalf is an amazing case IMHO. I cannot complain about any of the Thermaltake products that I am a proud owner of.

I am actually looking for a nice watercooler for the Memory, GPU's, North/South Bridges, and HDD's. Because you can't freeze those to -40C. The Hard Drives will fail to operate below like 10C or something like that.
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system memory?

and do you know when the AquaBays will be out, if they are not already. And are they supposed to be good?

thought you can only WC the NB. not the South Bridge.

I am going Thermaltake for my CPU and GPU. I dont know what to do for chipset. My ideas may change again though. Who knows?


The Kandolf is the same thing as the armor just w/ a different front. It looks to me the Armor has more airflow because it is open in the front.
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The doors come off the Kandalf. And yes the system memory.

The Asus A8N-SLI Premium has a heatpipe on the chipset because it gets so freaking hot. I'll just get some thermal adhesive and throw a waterblock on it.
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i still <3 my deluxe

any idea about those AquaBays though? they look so beautiful and they save space - if i do get the whole series, do i still need a pump? or just the tubes and blocks?
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bump
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i think i am going to go with the:
swiftech storm 4
dangerden nv-68
coolsleeve
aquabay series
thermaltake armor

still no idea for the psu, maybe a PCC&C 510 express.
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I'm just going to go with a Lebiert 20ton mission critical AC unit aimed right at the side of the case and call it a day. :twisted:
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Hey, I know this might sound like a dumb question, but can a computer ever be too cold? I mean like, If you leave it in your un-insulated garage in -10 degree weather?
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I wouldnt suggest it.

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Yes, there are many components on a computer than can get too cold.
Hard Drives, Memory, Optical & Floppy drives, even the motherboard itself.

Hard drives for instance cannot operate below 40°F, but can be stored non-operational down to -40°F.

There is also the problem of condensation when extreme heat and cold mix together that could cause problems.
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proc can get cold cold cold!!!!

when do the aquabays come out :(

i e-mailed thermaltake last week, nothing.
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I just call them. They never respond to E-mails and I prefer actually talking to a human being.

I can't find the environmental tolerences of AMD Processors, all I see is a max temperature of 70°C. I would venture a guess of -120°C being the absolute limit I would cool a processor dowm to. I could be way off though, I'm too hung over to look right now.
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LOL

pentiums can go below -190 deg celsius (laptop dont have # pad)

what is TT's phone #????
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1-800-988-1088
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THERMALTAKE CLOSED SUNDAYS?! ROAR!
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lmao you'll be ok till tomorrow.

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Uhm, most businesses only operate from 9am - 5pm Monday through Friday. Heck, down here most places are closed on Monday. 3 day weekend summer hours.
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okay, i just got off the phone, they will be coming out in 4-5 weeks. i forgot to get a price quote. :x

now i need the powersupply. see my power supply thread :D
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LN2 (Liquid Nitrogen) is the coolest you can get a CPU too, which equates to about -189c ish effective temperature. Or you can use a cascade to cool it to sub -100 which is a more sensible for longer periods.
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will that freeze a watercooling system?
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That would freeze human flesh. Haven't you ever seen the movie Timecop?
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111438/

I was 2 years old.


i am going with the 510 express PSU. so sexy xD
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It is out on DVD ya know ;)

But, Liquid Nitrogen would freeze tap water or distilled water, HOWEVER, there are additives you can add to water, and other liquids, to decrease the temperature at which they freeze.

Just try adding a bunch of salt to some distilled water and sticking it in your freezer at -1 degrees (below the point where pure water would freeze).

3M actually do a sub-zero super-heat-dissipating liquid that can literally be in contact with the board and won't short out the circuits. You can completely submerge your entire board, CPU, memory, cards, into this stuff to keep it cool with no ill effects. Problem is, last time I heard, this stuff costs about 10 grand a gallon, heh.
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i think i have heard about that, that is what they use for sprinklers for businesses, so they do not short out the computers in a fire. on the down side, they computers will fry in the fire. lol.

i will pick up some distilled water next time i get the chance, the water i drink is purified, but by reverse osmosis, so that will short out my components. i will check the TiVo for that movie.

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RO De-Ionizes the water, I don't think you want to drink that unless they add special minerals into it. We use that in the labs to make the drugs.

They use Halon for the server rooms BTW.
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I have a feeling your like one of those bio-chemists that build bombs.
You really need to get some sleep.
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I got through Organic Chemistry, and Biology I & II. But I had to take those as prerequisites for a Bioinformatics course I took.

I don't build bombs. I'm Catholic and Sicilian(75%), Italian(16%), Lithuanian(4.5%) and Polish(4.5%). Not the kind of background for a crazy bomber. The woman is the bio-geek.

And I try to get around 6 - 7 hours of sleep. That works with a suppliment of 1000mg of caffiene.
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I see. Very interesting GT500Shlby.

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