Damn Yahoo/Geocites for disabling my website. HOST NEEDED!

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Hello I'm new here.

I WAS building a political website using Yahoo/Geocities free advertising-funded build-your-own website.

It was OK - a slight problem with their advertising scripts sometimes causing run-time errors but hey, nobody is perfect.

However, the *plum* hit the fan the other day when somebody, I guess must have complained to Yahoo about the content of my site and the Yahoo operator pulled the plug on the site.

Not only that but my main Yahoo ID "scotpeterdow" was taken away along with my membership of some Yahoo groups - OK I've got other Yahoo IDs so that's no great problem.

However, I really can't have a useful website where the web host company shuts the site down in response to politically motivated complaints.

So I've drafted a letter to web host companies/organisations -

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Dear Website host service,

I'm looking for a new web site host for my web site of about 50 pages. It used to be on geocities.com/scotpeterdow but it was disabled by Yahoo/geocities because they felt it violated the terms of service.
My forum is still working though -
http://www.b2g5.com/boards/board.cgi?user=peterdow

I need a new web site host to be -

FREE
I'd like the service to be free to me - advertising funding would be fine.

FREE SPEECH
I am wondering if you would serve my site without closing it down if you received a complaint about it?
I think that's what happened at yahoo/geocities - the site is republican politics and some person might have complained at its anti-royalist anti-Queen Elizabeth stance.
So would you put up with my politics? Is it worth my while setting up with you? Can you resist politically motivated complaints?
Please reply and tell me what your policy would be.


Now, folks who love the Queen SHOULD be entitled to build their own website or post to their heart's content.

BUT I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD MY WEBSITE THAT IS REPUBLICAN, ANTI-ROYALIST AND ANTI-QUEEN ELIZABETH.

Hey, didn't the USA get where it is today BECAUSE of a violent, revolution against the UK/British Empire.

What do Yahoo operators in the USA do on Independence Day, 4th July?

They certainly don't seem to understand what the celebration is all about, do they?

Republican Scots, like myself, were kind of hoping that we'd get a bit of understanding, sympathy and support from freedom-lovers in the USA.

Anyway, the web is global, so I'm quite prepared to set up a site anywhere.

Come to think of it, perhaps it might be a good idea to set up a few mirror sites, with different host services, so that I can easily resume normal service when one host company pulls the plug.

So any offers, suggestions?
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peter dow wrote:
Posts here are expected to be of a high standard – doing the Scottish National Standard proud. So if you get the password and then embarrass the Standard by posting rubbish here then I’ll delete your post. However, if you give your email address then I will at least write to you privately to tell you where I think you are going so wrong.


So you all in favour of silencing others on your forum, because you feel what they say is inappropriate; but when it happens to you you get all upset? Is this this the reason that no-one but yourself ever posts on your forum, or is it just because no-one cares?

Without actually knowing the genuine reasons why you were banned then noone will be able to help. Without knowing the actual content that you were banned for, we would be more able to advise you on this matter. Best bet is to start sending out your email to a lot of hosting companies.

Bear in mind that a lot o hosting companies - especially high profile ones, have strict rules about the content of the sites hosted with them. Check the agreement you had with geocities. If that has any clauses about what can and can't be put on their sites, then they havn't violated your right to free speach. You will also find that in the agreements, they have the final say in what is and isn't appropriate.

Companies don't lke to be associated with groups that have extremist, or non-mainstream views. If they are worried that any bad view of your site will reflect upon them, they will stop you. They aren't there to do you a favour - they are there to make money. period.
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rtm223 wrote:
peter dow wrote:
Posts here are expected to be of a high standard – doing the Scottish National Standard proud. So if you get the password and then embarrass the Standard by posting rubbish here then I’ll delete your post. However, if you give your email address then I will at least write to you privately to tell you where I think you are going so wrong.


So you all in favour of silencing others on your forum, because you feel what they say is inappropriate; but when it happens to you you get all upset? Is this this the reason that no-one but yourself ever posts on your forum, or is it just because no-one cares?


Peter Dow, from the same post you lifted that quote from wrote:
Peter Dow’s Scottish National Standard Bearer political leadership forum.

Although anyone can read the contributions in this forum it is not intended to be a free-for-all for casual web surfers to display their ignorance and stupidity. (Sorry, but there are plenty of other forums for that sort of thing - Click here for the Scottish Universities Forum, for novice/student discussion of politics - forum owner Peter Dow OR click here to see the “web links” page of my web site, with links to other Scottish forums.) Therefore, the ability to post here is restricted to that which is appropriate in the context of the content of my web site – so I’d advise reading the web site thoroughly before attempting to post here.


Different rules for different forums - that's fair enough and it doesn't limit free speech. That "forum" is more an extension of my website (now gone).

Deleting or editing posts, is different from deleting whole web sites. I've never deleted anyone's website. So it's not fair for you to say "when it happens to you". I don't do "IT" - ie. deleting web sites - to anyone.

rtm223 wrote:
Without actually knowing the genuine reasons why you were banned then noone will be able to help. Without knowing the actual content that you were banned for, we would be more able to advise you on this matter. Best bet is to start sending out your email to a lot of hosting companies.


I understand your problem about knowing exactly why. Yahoo won't say, so neither you nor I can know. The best clue I've got and it would be my best guess I've quoted on http://www.scotland.com (where I've had plenty of political discussions). Let's see if I can dig it up for you -

Posting on Scotpol, Yahoo group somebody called macillinamhaoil wrote:
Date: Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:21 am
Subject: Re: Peter Dow writes to 19 MSPs re: Queen invite to Holyrood

...

I have just had a look at your website and it makes for deeply
disturbing reading. I have no idea why you have such a hatred of the
Queen, throughout the website you continually refer the to the Queen
as 'bad for Scotland' or a 'traitor to Scotland' but you seem unable
to give any reasons at all for this. I thought it was absolutely
sickening to see a picture of the Queen's car with a sniper scope
superimposed onto the picture. I would be extremely suprised if any
MSP would wish to be associated with this site. I will be contacting
yahoo to ask them to shut this site down.


Say it was that, then I changed the offending photograph, started again at Yahoo, with another ID - somebody else complains about something else and Yahoo deletes it again - not that I even know that was the problem.

But anyway, the issue is not the actual source of the complaint because in politics THERE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINTS. It is in the nature of politics.

The solution is to move to a host provider that doesn't panic at every complaint.

rtm223 wrote:
Bear in mind that a lot o hosting companies - especially high profile ones, have strict rules about the content of the sites hosted with them. Check the agreement you had with geocities. If that has any clauses about what can and can't be put on their sites, then they havn't violated your right to free speach. You will also find that in the agreements, they have the final say in what is and isn't appropriate.

Companies don't lke to be associated with groups that have extremist, or non-mainstream views. If they are worried that any bad view of your site will reflect upon them, they will stop you. They aren't there to do you a favour - they are there to make money. period.


Right that's the problem - I need a host company or organisation without strict rules. Low profile is fine. I only started at geocities because it was the obvious one - I don't care how small or low profile the web host is - so long as I can get my web site up!

Forget geocities - that's over and done with. I'm not looking for a legal claim against Yahoo - my point is a political one. For free speech to exist on the web WE, THE PEOPLE, NEED A HOST SERVICE that does host, without stopping hosting for their own timid reasons.

Forget geocities - they won't stand up for free speech - BUT WHO WILL STAND UP FOR FREE SPEECH? That's the question that matters.
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Please don't think I'm trying to insult you but you may wish to look at hosts that host the following sorts of websites:

Porn
Cracks/Warez

These are the two most commonly banned things on any host. I'm not trying to compare your site with these, but hosts that put this material on their machines are likely to be more lenient with the content.
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i think it normally helps to have money :)
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Peter Dow wrote:
BUT I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD MY WEBSITE THAT IS REPUBLICAN, ANTI-ROYALIST AND ANTI-QUEEN ELIZABETH.



aww poor lizzy, she's just a nice ole lady with strange looking dogs with short legs :wink:
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nice old lady....
personal friend lol? :D
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It sounds like you need to set up your own server and host your own web site.
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Well, I'm setting my site up at

CLICK HERE for Scottish National Standard Bearer website setting up with Netfirms (scots.netfirms.com)

So I'm hoping for the best but I'll let you know.

Thanks for the other replies - let me show my ignorance -

I don't know what "cracks/warez" means?

I don't know how to keep down a paid job in the royalist, fascist state that Scotland is at the moment? (Or perhaps I don't want to pay any tax to the scum that run the state)

Lizzie is not nice - would you allow a totally ignorant, stupid and useless surgeon to operate on you? No of course not.

So please don't expect me think that when Lizzie INSISTS on being the head of state in Scotland - and is equally ignorant, stupid and useless as a head of state - that that is somehow nice - unless you think the death, disaster and missed opportunities consequential to Lizzie being head of state is "nice"?

I don't know what "lol" means - is it "lots of love"?

(Which is what I'd like to give that "Rose" in musik's avatar - well 3 times a week would be plenty for me)

The trouble about setting up my own server is - it's more expensive and as you'd expect you can get jailed here in Scotland for anything or nothing but even in America "land of the free" you can get jailed for hosting a website!

Yup. Did you hear about this?
Quote:
Media Release: Activist Gets Year in Jail for Hosting, Link to Bomb Site


For Immediate Release: Tuesday, August 5, 2003

Contact:

Will Doherty
Executive Director
Online Policy Group
press@onlinepolicy.org
Activist Gets Year in Jail for Hosting, Link to Bomb Site

Online Policy Group Opposes Flagrant Free Speech Violation

San Francisco - The Online Policy Group (OPG) today condemned the sentencing on August 4 of political activist Sherman Austin to one year in jail for hosting a website describing bomb-making and for linking from his RaiseTheFist.com website to that website.

U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson sentenced Austin to triple the sentence term the prosecutor had recommended under a binding plea bargain agreement, along with three years of probation. He faces strict restrictions and monitoring of his use of computers, a $2,000 fine for restitution, and a prohibition from associating with any person or group that "espouses violence or physical force as means of intimidation, or achieving economic, social, or political change."

"Constitutional free speech protections are most important when they protect the speech many people find troublesome," said OPG Executive Director Will Doherty. "Sherman Austin did not pass the litmus test for speech directly inciting others to violent action when he hosted or placed links to bomb-making sites on his website and he should not have received jail time for simply speaking his mind, however controversial his opinions may be."

Although information on how to make bombs is commonly available in libraries, universities, and on the Internet, the U.S. Justice Department charged Austin under a law sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and passed by Congress that prohibits "distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction with the intent that such information be used in furtherance of a federal crime of violence." A charge related to possession of the components of a Molotov cocktail was dropped as part of the plea bargain agreement.

Austin, who took a plea bargain rather than face a potential 20 years in jail due to enhanced terrorism penalties, said yesterday he intends to surrender to the authorities on September 3 to begin serving his prison sentence.

For this media release:
http://www.onlinepolicy.org/media/030805jailforbomblinks.shtml

Comments, my fellow web masters?
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Suggestions of killing the queen (insiting violence towards the head of state) is technically treason. They can still hang you for that y'know. The fact that the queen also has next to nothing to do with running the country(s) seems to have escaped you.

The royal family are a PR excercise - other nations (like the australians and the americans to name but a few) think the royal family is pretty cool and she gets sent out on state visits rather than doing anything actually political.

I would have thought that someone who claims to be as knowledgeable about politics as you do would realise this.

Removal of the monachy will do nothing to change the political nature of the united kingdom, we will have the exact same government running the country in the exact same way.

I would also like to point out that however smart you may think you are, your writting style and general arrogance marks you as a moron. A complete and total one. Your arguments and analogies are fundamentally flawed and nonsensical, thus ridiculing your entire argument.(of course you can't critisize me for saying something such as this because you believe so strongly in freedom of speach :wink:)

Also:
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the U.S. Justice Department charged Austin under a law sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and passed by Congress that prohibits "distribution of information relating to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction with the intent that such information be used in furtherance of a federal crime of violence."

America may call itself the land of the free, but they never claimed to be a country that ignores its own laws and regulations. The man commited a crime in his country and was punished for it..... duh! Thats just like the people that moan about speed cameras. If you get caught and fined it's because you were breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. Simple as that.

BTW directing smutt at the moderators isn't going to get you very far here.
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Although this thread is long dead and buried, I'd like to update my progress on finding a good free web host.

I've recently set up with Byethost and it looks good so far.

Minimal advertising and enough features to run a phpbb board as well.

Here are links to my website and board at Byethost

[url=http://snsb.byethost31.com]The Scottish National Standard Bearer website
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[url=http://scot.byethost31.com]The For Freedom Forums
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Hey now that I've found a good host, all I need now is some readers for the website and posters for the forum. :?
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We don't care of any political scene created at your site. And if in case it happens, which is almost impossible, then we will return you back your money.

Please tell me how much space you want, so that i can send you specifications!

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