Why do some still say unlimited?

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Hi guys,
Still there some people who are offering unlimited diskspace, bandwidth ? When it's impossible why do they claim this?
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One word:

marketing
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We can provide unlimited diskspace. Our terms of service allow us to do this. All we ask is that you have a working link to anything you upload onto our servers.
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TomK. You know I know you, and what you say may well be true, but we have asked you before not to do this. Provide the proof (i.e. the link to the proof) or else the reply goes away. My expectation is you can provide the proof. A quote supporting your claim would be appropriate. You have to understand, this hosting board is ridden with spam and it is not uncommon for moderators to delete posts such as yours without any notice. I'm giving you a chance here because you have been helpful around OZZU and not what we commonly denote a spammer of their services.
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We can provide unlimited diskspace.


No you can't - and frankly - I believe its highly unethical to even insinuate you can.

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Our terms of service allow us to do this.


Great - now can you provide me the name of the manufacturer that produces this magical "unlimited" disk drive

I would like to ask Santa to send me a few over for Christmas - oh wait - I would only need 1 right?

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TomK. You know I know you, and what you say may well be true


??? - I would expect this board to discourage fraudulent marketing tactics
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ATNO/TW wrote:
TomK. You know I know you, and what you say may well be true


??? - I would expect this board to discourage fraudulent marketing tactics


Like I said, the proof gets provided or the post goes away. TomK has provided helpful input to our members so he gets a chance here.
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Like I said, the proof gets provided or the post goes away. TomK has provided helpful input to our members so he gets a chance here.


Hi ATNO/TW - I don't mean to be difficult here - but really - this just isn't acceptable...

He simply cannot provide proof of this claim - a clause in their TOS isn't any indication of proof. There can be no proof, as it simply does not and cannot exist - how can a company sell something they don't have - are you interested in buying the CN Tower for $100?

My vote is the post stays and the company faces a public flogging for such unethical conduct...
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priyanka-m6.net wrote:
Hi guys,
Still there some people who are offering unlimited diskspace, bandwidth ? When it's impossible why do they claim this?


Going back to the OP here , priyanka, how can you claim this:

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You'll know you made the right choice when you signup one of M6.Net's discount priced web hosting accounts. Instantly activated, you’ll be taking advantage of multi-web site, unlimited domain hosting packages with so much technology, bandwidth and disk space that scalability in either traffic or projects will never be an issue for you.


Would you care to clarify "unlimited domain hosting packages", when you pose a question how others can offer similar?

I might just be one step behind UNFLUX on this, but you also are on the verge of not being able to post here anymore. Your questions serve no purpose but to spam the hosting in your signature. Make a change or we will do it for you. This is your last warning.
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lol. so many spammers and *plum* online these days. unlimited? wow, they must have unlimited resources to provide unlimited accounts?

impossible.....
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I'm very sorry ATNO. The reason I didn't link was becuase I didn't want to spam the boards by posting my link. Basically our TOS specifies that any file you upload to our servers must have a visible link leading to it on your website. This is how we make sure nobody just uploads terrabytes of data to our webservers and just lets it sit there. With an active link to all data, bandwidth becomes the limiting factor.

P.S. I agree, Unlimited is just marketing talk. What we really mean is that we can provide more space than you'll ever need.
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lol, this is like a seinfeld episode, just a show about nothing. obviously every computer component has its limits, so to use the word unlimited, as noted right away by ATNO/TW, is marketing. when restaurants offer all you can eat buffets, doesnt necessarily mean they expect a whale to book a reservation and literally take them up on their offer, its a gimmick. i think the better question would be who actually needs unlimited space? and why? besides running an extremely successful porn ring, i dont see who'd ever take a host up on that kind of offer!
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Hi daremedy,

You bring up some great points - and of course, any person that understands this concept

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i think the better question would be who actually needs unlimited space?


Understands its a "gimmick" and can make an educated decision..

However, my concerns lie elsewhere. You really cannot compare hosting to an all you can eat buffet or a cell phone provider offering unlimited local calling - a buffet is limited by the size of your stomach and the amount of volume you can ingest in a certain period of time - cell phone usage is limited to actual mins in a day - therefore, in both of these cases, there are known limits based on actual physical and quantifiable limitations...

There are many reasons that so many customers are victims of fraud from hosting companies - and these unlimited offers is one of the major reasons.

Overselling in hosting is a very dangerous game - and although I am completely against this business practise - I do concede that if it is done properly, it can be effectively managed and controlled - ie) you can build a successful, stable business practicing overselling (dont know why you would want to - but, that is a story for another day)...

However, in order to run a successful "overselling" hosting business - theres really several things that have to happen - 1) you need to have outstanding server management skills 2) you need to be in a clustered environment 3) you need to have lots of data and understand how to interpret it in order to create an "overselling" formula that makes sense...

Anytime you see a hosting provider offer unlimited disk space or bandwith (as they are technically oversold with 1 customer with no degree of logic or limitations) - they have flagrantly disregarded all logic outlined above - which effectively means that sooner or later, they will crash - leaving 100's of users without data, without service and more then likely without money...

This is no longer a marketing "gimmick", but has rather crossed into the realms of marketing "fraud" - as their business incompetence has directly resulted in loss of revenue, service and money to their customers.

On a personal note, this irritates me on a completely different level. Internet commerce has yet to experience the rapid growth everyone has been waiting for - In fact, I would argue that internet commerce is growing right now in spite of itself - as the cost savings are just too large for businesses to ignore - however, as long as the average consumer has the feeling that they are more likely to be a victim of fraud with an internet transaction, vs having the confidence that they will be performing a legitimate transaction - internet commerce will never reach its full potential - and that just isnt good for anyone...
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Great post Andrew, and frankly, couldnt agree with you more on all points. I was just going for a generic analogy with the all you can eat buffet, the limitations of that compared with web host services are night and day. To boast about inifite space and bandwidth just comes down to trust. How long has the company been running? What are the customer reviews? What's in the fine print of the TOS? Basically, can the company's reputation back up their advertisements? I learned the hard way that hosting companies come and then easily vanish in a blink of an eye. So I'm more about the name than the gimmicks. Just like any other service, I'd rather invest my money with a reputable company than take a chance with lesser known ones.

No question that a lot of hosting companies use the unlimited phrase to cunningly draw the consumers attention, I mean thats a powerful word to a consumer. Its the companies right to draw in consumers by any means necessary, especially in a clogged up business as web hosting. But I think its up to the consumer to be cautiously optimistic when they find a company that offers them the world. All we can do is hope they find sites like this one that give the real story about hosts and what to look for before you invest into one.

As for e-commerce, I'm with you all the way! I think its a service that a lot of companies are either too scared to invest in for security reasons, or are just unaware of its convenience to consumer. Even though encryption techniques are becoming tougher by the day to crack, face-to-face transactions are always going to be the safest mode of operation. We can only hope e-commerce catches on in the new year.
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Hi daremedy - Very Well Said !!

It is most certainly a "consumer beware" enivonment out there - hopefully, as you said, boards like this are able to arm the consumer with the tools they need to make educated decisions :)
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lol, this is like a seinfeld episode, just a show about nothing. obviously every computer component has its limits, so to use the word unlimited, as noted right away by ATNO/TW, is marketing. when restaurants offer all you can eat buffets, doesnt necessarily mean they expect a whale to book a reservation and literally take them up on their offer, its a gimmick. i think the better question would be who actually needs unlimited space? and why? besides running an extremely successful porn ring, i dont see who'd ever take a host up on that kind of offer!


I agree.

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