HELP ME! Google drop my site indexing sudenlly

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Post March 11th, 2004, 9:55 am

defentitely...Id have to say web hosting will be very very competitive. Try using your location in the title, or the closest major city, to get local clients.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 9:55 am

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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:04 am

Hi phaugh,

I got confused reading #3 and 4.
phaugh wrote:
3: Most of your backlinks have session ids...google will most likely not crawl these urls.
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phaugh wrote:
Links that don't have session ids.. ..Google will not list these as backlinks


BTW, how do you find backlinks session IDs?
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:36 am

Hey Gemini..

Maybe this will clear it up...here's a post from Google Guy:
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So what's the problem with a session id, and why doesn't Googlebot crawl them? Well, we don't just have one machine for crawling. Instead, there are lots of bot machines fetching pages in parallel. For a really large site, it's easily possible to have many different machines at Google fetch a page from that site. The problem is that the web server would serve up a different session-id to each machine! That means that you'd get the exact same page multiple times--only the url would be different. It's things like that which keep some search engines from crawling dynamic pages, and especially pages with session-ids.

Google can do some smart stuff looking for duplicates, and sometimes inferring about the url parameters, but in general it's best to play it safe and avoid session-ids whenever you can. Hope it makes sense!


As for the links without session ids. They have a PR below 4. Google will count links below PR4 but will only show PR4 or higher links when you ask it for a sites backlinks ie: link:www.mysite.com

Not sure why they do this...my bet would be for performance issues.

Other crawlers like Intomki will crawl urls with session ids and other dynamic content but chances are that it will get caught in a circle of duplicate pages..as mentioned above....and will leave the site. I had a similar issue with my first asp site. Google would only crawl the first page and wouldn't follow any of the links that had arguments in the url. To get around this I created asp pages that contained the arguments inside the asp code so that the urls were clean ie: houses.asp vs search.asp?type=houses. Then I linked all these pages via a site map which was linked from the front page of the site. Google gobbled up these pages and ranked them very well....including the site map.

Hope that helps.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:43 am

We have quite a few large sites with session ID's and Google indexes them all. There are coding techniques that will get your session'd id pages indexed.

As for using those same pages as backlinks, I have never checked usually due to these pages not having outbound links, for us anyway.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:44 am

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Hey dolay...

I ran a check on your site here's what I found:

1: Page content and tags are good
2: Your site was crawled on March 9th 2004
3: Most of your backlinks have session ids...google will most likely not crawl these urls.
4: Links that don't have session ids don't have any PR or they have very low PR. Google will not list these as backlinks
5: One of your links is on a page that redirects, another one loads a blank page
6: You are #65 for "CHEAP AFFORDABLE WEB HOSTING SERVICE " in google. Not bad considering your PR is 1 and that's a pretty competitive phrase.

To verify this go to http://tools.marketleap.com/publinkpop/ and enter you url. When the results load click on the link count under Intomki. This will show you all the pages that link back to your site....regardless of PR...that's only a google thing.

If your focusing on PR I'd suggest downloading the google toolbar. Then you can see the ranking of the page you are linked from.


Ther are not anyway to reach to get all backlinks that google doesnt shows, newista have over 50 backlinks from pr4-pr7 pages but, it doesnt shown...

My comment are at the http://www.ozzu.com/other-google-information-and-resources/what-google-doing-t22007.html about google backlinks and pr's and i think i ll right becouse
Newista ranks around 220 for "cheap web hosting service" and 60 for "affordable web hosting service" around 120 for the term "cheap affordable web hosting" ( without "" ofcourse).
Those rank just rised after last biggest crawles at last hours. But still any backlinks and pr of 1
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:46 am

Sorry phaugh,

that was a dumm question about sesion ID - I was thinking about something else and didn't get it right away that you were referring to dynamic pages in url session ids. :oops:
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:58 am

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Great research. The only thing is that I wouldn't use that phrase as the one you should try to rank high for. Using wordtracker and overture, that phrase is never searched for. If that is in your title I am guessing your trying to go for either "cheap web hosting service" or "affordable web hosting service" as each one of these individually is searched quite often.


http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchi ... uggestion/ shows for the last month;
1676 cheap affordable web hosting
548 cheap web hosting service


I know thats not too much but you have to start from the first step! "web hosting"with pr1? i am not Don Quixote
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Post March 11th, 2004, 12:24 pm

Ahh i didnt even think about those two...good find. I was just saying that don't go trying to get your ranking up for CHEAP AFFORDABLE WEB HOSTING SERVICE as no one searches for that phrase. Monitor other phrases like the two you found. Though having that as your title should imporve your positioning for the two Dolay found.

I just find that some people try to focus and base their progress on a term that no one searches for.

Once I had a jewelry site request reciprical links with me. The whole focus of the email was how they were number #1 in Google for a certain term. What was the term?...JEWELRYLAND...who the hell searches for that?
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Post March 11th, 2004, 1:13 pm

Hey vetofunk
Care to share the techniques?
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Post March 11th, 2004, 1:17 pm

I wish I could, but then I would have to kill you...

No, I would if I was the one that did the programming. I am sure you should be able to find it online, I know we are not the only company able to do this.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 1:21 pm

Hey dolay..

Can you PM me with some of those pr4 and higher urls.

I checked allinanchor: newista on google and it returned 45 pages...but still most were unranked or very low PR.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 1:40 pm

Dolay...

One thing that I have noticed is that you are not using your keyword phrase in your links. This is/was an important factor in determining what the link is about.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 2:07 pm

I couldn't find my query I was doing for real estate linking campaigns.. it was pretty good, I made a list of more than 700 links pages that appearing as backlinks to other sites.

I was using something pretty long, but here is what I can come up at this moment (query on G)
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link:(*.htm OR *.html AND "affordable web hosting")

or
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*.htm OR *.html AND intext:"affordable web hosting" link:

not too much.

well, you can modify those queries the way you want. In the case I showed it mostely returnes pages that showing as backlinks to someone, pretty much htm pages and containing your theme keyphrase. If you try it you'll see that pages that showing up mostely containing links to other sites - you can have a chance get there too :) I did 3 successfull linking campaignes like this and the websites are ranking on the first page by their main keyphrases and their PR just dropped from 5 to 4 (before they were 0).

So if it makes sense and helps anybody - I'm glad.

Would be interested if someone has something better.
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Post March 11th, 2004, 7:36 pm

Finally! Ive been re-indexed today (3/11) and my current site is showing in googles cache. Thank GOD! Hopefully now it'll stick this time. I hope everyone else who was waiting got visited today too. :D
Hmmmmm, it only cached my index page though, not the other pages on the site. :?:
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Post March 11th, 2004, 11:29 pm

From what I see in my logs google usually makes a few requests from different crawlers for the index page, usually in the same day...then a few days later they crawl the rest of the site. My site is only 30 pages so it doesn't take too long to crawl the whole thing....a larger site may take longer.
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