How many back links required for PR

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does this topic name bother anyone else? I'm really curious as to what exactly PR secretes? Sweat? Goo? Nuggets of wisdom? I'd feel much more comfortable if we were discussing PR Secrets.
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beefcakejcc wrote:
does this topic name bother anyone else? I'm really curious as to what exactly PR secretes? Sweat? Goo? Nuggets of wisdom? I'd feel much more comfortable if we were discussing PR Secrets.


There are no secrets to getting high PR. Just lots of work.
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i agree with Vetofunk. Lots of hard work and constant learning are the keys here. Keep reading and adjusting till you reach the top!!

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Hi All,

I am back again, sorry for late reply, as I was out of station.

nuclei - I just checked http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog , it's really helpful, because it shows you the PR of websites which are coming in search results. Thanks for info nuclei.

vetofunk & philgill - I understand that to get high PR, there is need of Lots of hard work and constant learning. But I saw some smart ways SEO's are doing and getting High PR within 2-3 months.

Please check http://www.click-cialis.com/index.html this website has PR 7 has only 10 Backward links, also there is no links from Yahoo! and Dmoz.org I am trying to understand how this website is able to get PR 7.... :?:

Can any one analyze this website and share there comments :?:
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Please check http://www.click-cialis.com/index.html this website has PR 7 has only 10 Backward links, also there is no links from Yahoo! and Dmoz.org I am trying to understand how this website is able to get PR 7....


you prolly did a search on their backlinks in google (which shows 10).
Have a look at the site and you will find 6 pages of links. 6 Pages of links!
Some of the links are coming from strong sites too.

This site did lots of link exchanges and probably thats why the PR is high for the site.
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Hi madmonk,

Which 6 Pages you are talking about, can you explain more indetail...?
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One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7.
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Getting PageRank is not that hard. I have not (yet) done the math, but there is only a couple of things that count when talking PR.

Incomming links will raise your PR.

The higher the PR of the page that links to you the more PR you gain.

Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page.

Also take into account that PR will be lowered even when you link to pages inside your own domain.

PageRank does only concern PAGES and not as widely said SITES.
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jaydeep. the site you are talking about has 6 pages of links. links from exchanges.
meaning that the site did lots of exchanges
Please look in the site to see what I mean...

"Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page. "
- I dont think this is true... it will not lower the PR of that page. correct me if i am wrong..
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Same problem on me, i think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year and i know most of our competitor have been buying backlinks from high pr sites so i decide that it become a some rules now :
1- Achiving to the pr5 is easy : List on dmoz.org and maybe yahoo directory and wait 2 month later you will jump pr4 from 0 then made some trades with pr4-5 pages and yup you are on pr5 at the next update
2- But when you have a pr5 , any of the pr6+ sites wont trade links with you maybe pr6 would give but they provide it from a link farm page - usually not quality and i think that gaining pr6 is impossible at this situation because you have had made all the possible backlinks to achieve pr5 from pr0 and there is no possible gaining resources left to you... So you must obey the rules and hire some pr7+ backlinks from the related resources.
3- When you have gained pr6 by the 2.nd rule then you will gain some additional resources to trade links with pr6-7 sites .
4- same 3rd rule will be applied to the higher steps too.

I do not know it is the best strategy but according to me they become a rule.
I have hired 2*pr7 and 30*pr6 backlink from related 2 sites including their all subpages and it costed to me 300$/M only now i have sit on my back (could left worrying on this issue and turn on my regular service jobs) wait for the closed pr update of the google to take its benefits , also i notice that text link ad's is bringing me some visitors too :beerchug:
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Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page.


This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).

4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place. :)
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This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).


Well, I agree with the above statement and also think that was what i was trying to write in my poor English.

You gain absolutely nothing from onpage code or onpage content. But PR value passed to other pages will lower proportional to the number of outgoing links that a page has.

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4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place.


That depends of the situation. I have no external links on my main keyword page :)
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I sometimes forget the international audience enjoying ozzu, as much as I do. :)

You also have to remember ... there are new folks here reading your advice and trying to understand.

Now my mistake ... :arrow:
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4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place.


Weak attempt to say that links to other sites are a necessary evil. If you do not link your site to others, they may not link to you.

So you usually have to provide some external links (rank leak) in order to get back links (PR).
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"If you do not link your site to others, they may not link to you. "

agreed. Just have to look out for dodgy sites.
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One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7.

LOOK http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3832431535 :shock: i am thinking to bid it - does it worth 500$ for pr8 backlink page?
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I was just thinking
if you have a page like page1.asp with a pr of 3
all the pages off it like page1.asp?country=england seem to have a pr of one less eg 2
is that right? I heard it drops a pr for every variable.
you could use that to generate pr for the home page.
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dolay wrote:
think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year


Have you got $49 you may want to try submit to http://www.bluefind.com
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dolay wrote:
think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year


Have you got $49 you may want to try submit to [Dead Link]
since this is not google forum i think this topic have to be carried to the google forum.
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PR is good to have but you can beet it with many low PR sites from unique websites (or class c IP's)

Take a look at one of my highly competative examples I can now make public for the first time (more will come soon):

EG1:

http://www.prsearch.net/index.php?Query=seo

SEO Toolkit (rlrouse.com/SEO.html) is only PR6. However seo-guy.com does not rank as well even though it has much higher PR much more back links and more on page optimzation.


EG 2:
http://www.prsearch.net/index.php?Query ... rch=Search

The number 2 site only has 241 back links and PR 6. However the bottom site patrickgavin.com has PR8, more on page optimsation and back links but many come from the same domains.
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This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).

4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place. :)


This (especially 1-3) would mean that if i find lots of link exchanges with other sites my main page will get a higher PageRank. And it does not matter how many external links i have on the main page for the PageRank of this main site. The external links on the main page only affect the PageRank of all my sub pages, it does not affect the PageRank of my main page? Is this really true :?:
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The external links on the main page only affect the PageRank of all my sub pages


Technically this is correct, but ... remember page rank is a feedback calculation.

The more links on a page the lower the rank value passed through the links. You will lower the rank passed to internal pages, which in turn lowers the rank value passed BACK to the home page by internal links.
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dolay...I would not buy a PR8 link from anywhere for $500...that PR could disapear at any time. I would put that money in to a PPC campaign...it will get you more qualified traffic and will not go away. You could also get many more PR 6 and PR7 links for $500.

Johan007- there are more factors to why those pages rank the way they do....for example the number of out going links from a PR6 pages vs a PR8 page. It would be better to have a link on a pr6 page where you are the only link vs a pr8 page that has dozens of links. The anchor text will also factor into this equation. If google makes changes to the algo then this will all change...on page factors may hold more weight and PR will be less valuable.
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phaugh wrote:
dolay...I would not buy a PR8 link from anywhere for $500...that PR could disapear at any time. I would put that money in to a PPC campaign...it will get you more qualified traffic and will not go away. You could also get many more PR 6 and PR7 links for $500.

Absolutely decided as you and we have hired backlinks from 3 different related web sites that have 3*pr7 and 300*pr6 lower then the amounts of 500$
Those are the sites that carefully selected(searched that their other linking web sites if they counted and they all counted by google...)

However i am still curious about getting pr7 at the next update with those backlinks from pr5.

What do you think 3*pr7 + 300*pr6 would be able to jump pr5 site to the pr7 ?
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$500 /month?

(guesswork here..) - it definitely sounds strong enough to get to pr 7.
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"What do you think 3*pr7 + 300*pr6 would be able to jump pr5 site to the pr7 ?" I think it will depend on how many links are on the page. It could happen since PR is logarithmic and not linear...

I had a problem with links that I bought...got my site banned from google and yahoo in only one month. The sites I linked on were not related to my theme and I'm thinking that might have caused it....it also could have been that I tripled my link count in a day. It might have been the site selling them being identified as a link dealer...I don't buy them anymore...becareful :) My site has still not recovered...it's been 5 months. I got a new domain and have ranked high with that one using hard work.
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it also could have been that I tripled my link count in a day


what do you mean by that? :? please explain.
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I had about 250 links and the links I bought brought me to about 1000. That might have been suspicious to the se's...certainly not natural.
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I can't believe raw numbers would have anything to do with it...

If a website is picked up by the newswires, several hundred links can be generated in a single day. News worthy sites would not be penalized.
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Just to clarify "One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7." This would have to be your only link or one of a few links and it would have to be the only outgoing link on the page. That would probably push enough PR to your site to get a PR of 7...that doesn't mean you would rank higher than a site that has 100's of PR 6 links that resulted in a PR of 7....the the toolbar bar would most likely read PR7. I've seen sites that have PR of 7 and have little or no content and they don't rank well.
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