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Hi,
Im interested to know what is the way of reaching pr 8. Looking forward to your replies. Thankyou.
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Get a link from a PR 9 site with few out-going links

Or lots of links from 8/10 sites.

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Pay for links with high PR.. :)
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if it was a one-word answer, don't you think we would all be doing it? I
think a solid backgroud in SEO, and good links as already said are the
best way. Also, content, content, content can never hurt your cause.
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Easy way - only if your rich - Just buy a few links and sit back ...

Hardway - only if your normal - (echo of the above post)
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A PR od 8 is very hard to get. It can take a very long time to achieve. Ways to artifically increase are:

1/ Buy PR from sites with high PR, better yet would be in a footer from a site with high PR, where you would be listed on hundreds of pages (Ozzu would be a good place to purchase from)

2/ Get a good category in DMOZ where there is high PR and a low amount of outgoing links on the page (other directories can be good too)

3/ The more pages you have on your site pointing to your homepage, the more you can increase your homepage PR

4/ Link exchanges

5/ Great content so they people link to you

6. A good seo ;-)
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They are selling advertising on a popular site, that all.
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Pay for links with high PR..

And after stop paying achieve nothing...
The best way is to build great links on you site by creating really useful information and anouncing it ;)
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Pay for links with high PR..

And after stop paying achieve nothing...


After achieving a high PR, you could exchange links with high PR and traffic sites, so even if you stop paying, the rank will still remain about the same. :D
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So if i wanted my link at the bottom of ozzu, how much is it likly to cost me?
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You have to contact bigwebmaster to find out.
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IMO...

About 18,000 good links from a few sites.

Or

Over 250 good links from 250 deferent sites linking to you.

I would never buy links just for PR and Google does not like that at all - and why should it!. To get a PR7 your going to need to spend about $300 - $500 a month on "these sites".
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I think you need to step back and ask yourself what you are trying to achieve.

If your aim to rank well with searches on certain key phrases. Having a PR 8 site/page may not be the only way of achieving it.

A good SEO is as important may be more important than a high PR in my opinion. Thus, I think spending your money on this might be a better investment in the long term.

You should be able to get up to PR 4/5 without having to pay anyone.
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You can get a thousands of low page ranks (1-4) or get a few hundred higher page ranking links (5-10). You can do this manually, which will take a lot of time (months or years). Also, it will be very difficult to get links from the higher ranking sites. Or, you can pay to have links on the high ranking sites. But before you buy them, make sure you aren't just buying links to get a higher PR. You should also buy them if they will have a decent ROI and lead to sales. It all depends on why you want the higher PR.
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Hello All,

Can any one share valuable Secretes, tips or thoughts to achieve and maintain higher PR (PR 7 and above) in Google. I am trying it from last 2 years, but able to achieve PR 6 sometimes and PR 5 always.

Any resource, tips, help will be appreciated.....

Thanks and waiting for replies
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There is no big secret to getting a PR7. It will just be very very hard. We had one site that reached a PR7 after having a period where 3 new PR6 sites gave us a link. I would try to get a few high ranking sites to point to you. You may want to post your site at some of the Link Exchange forums and try to find a PR6 site to exchange with.
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The only secret to PR is ... links, links, links.

Good advice from vetofunk ... get the highest value links possible ... and plenty of them.
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Get a link on a PR 8 or above site. Ideally with very few other out-going links.

Consider advertising on a site with very high PR e.g Internet.com

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Adding pages to a site can also help ... once you have some PR.
Not only are people more likely to link to you (if there is some unique content or community), but each additional page is a potential backlink to your home page.

So pay attention to good internal structure too!
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It is not a secret but ;
1- Try to get as much as backlinks from =>pr6 pages
2- Carefull that backlinks are from realted content

If you have web hosting design service and if you have some pr8-9 backllinks from casino related pages then it is worthless to wait for pr6-7 gaining for your pages :?
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"but each additional page is a potential backlink to your home page."

do links to internal pages count for your overall backlinks? Or are you just expressing that it will bring PR into your site which you can then spread around with your internal link structure?

I definitely have links to pages on my site that don't show up in the link:www.yourdomain.com. However they show up if I try link:www.yourdomain.com/specificpage.html. Wouldn't the link itself only help that page and not my whole site?[/quote]
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"do links to internal pages count for your overall backlinks?" Yes as long as the page has R4 or higher.

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I definitely have links to pages on my site that don't show up in the link:www.yourdomain.com. However they show up if I try link:www.yourdomain.com/specificpage.html. Wouldn't the link itself only help that page and not my whole site?


Links to internal pages are great for two reasons. First they help the PR of page that they link to so that that page doesn't have to rely on just PR passed through the site. Secondly if these page link to other pages in the site they will pass some PR along to them....think of PR as a set of dominos falling....depending on how you arrange them certain dominos will touch others when they fall....the touching is where PR get transfered...the further down the chain the less PR is avaiable....unless you have outside links pointing to dominos further down the chain then there will be more PR to pass from those internal dominos.
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Wouldn't the link itself only help that page and not my whole site?


Links do nothing for the page containing the link. They are votes for the page they are pointing towards.

If the link points to your home page then it is a vote for your site.
On my site 1/4 of the backlinks are from internal pages.

I am working on a theory that with the 'right' link structure, it might even be possible to magnify the incoming PR and return it to the home page.

----> Just a theory <----
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"I am working on a theory that with the 'right' link structure, it might even be possible to magnify the incoming PR and return it to the home page. " I think you're on to something here. I have seen sites that only have links comming to the home page but are able to push the same pr to alomst every page in the site...the structure seemd to be very flat...and it's hard to tell how good the PR is...the home page could be PR4.9999999999 and the internal pages could be 4.000000001....let us know what you find.
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Hello All,

It's nice to see lot's of replies. Thanks to all for your valuable suggestions.

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vetofunk - I would try to get a few high ranking sites to point to you. You may want to post your site at some of the Link Exchange forums and try to find a PR6 site to exchange with.


Thanks for your suggestions and let me know how we can go ahead to point high ranking sites to my website. Also can any one tell names of best "Link Exchange forums". I strongly feel that, we all have something good in our hands, so can we exchange it with each other and get benefits ? Vetofunk, I checked your website http://www.pwim.com which has PR 6, so I think if we over there start quality "Link Exchange Forum" then we all can get quick benefits.

Thanks and waiting for replies
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check out http://www.jimworld.com/
- compliments of vetofunjk in some ozzu thread
previously.

I made some link exchange friends and so far, they are reliable , reputable sites.. :-)
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Just remember that PR by itself means nearly nothing in the SERPS. It is the number of links with the proper anchor text that matters as far as rankings go.
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I found this thread http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic24265.html which looks very helpful.
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Can any one provide or share list of Hi PR Websites for link exchange....Mostly 5-5+ So we can do quality link exchange and get benefits. :)
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jaydeep try: http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog
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does this topic name bother anyone else? I'm really curious as to what exactly PR secretes? Sweat? Goo? Nuggets of wisdom? I'd feel much more comfortable if we were discussing PR Secrets.
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LOL
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beefcakejcc wrote:
does this topic name bother anyone else? I'm really curious as to what exactly PR secretes? Sweat? Goo? Nuggets of wisdom? I'd feel much more comfortable if we were discussing PR Secrets.


There are no secrets to getting high PR. Just lots of work.
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i agree with Vetofunk. Lots of hard work and constant learning are the keys here. Keep reading and adjusting till you reach the top!!

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Hi All,

I am back again, sorry for late reply, as I was out of station.

nuclei - I just checked http://www.webmasterbrain.com/prog , it's really helpful, because it shows you the PR of websites which are coming in search results. Thanks for info nuclei.

vetofunk & philgill - I understand that to get high PR, there is need of Lots of hard work and constant learning. But I saw some smart ways SEO's are doing and getting High PR within 2-3 months.

Please check http://www.click-cialis.com/index.html this website has PR 7 has only 10 Backward links, also there is no links from Yahoo! and Dmoz.org I am trying to understand how this website is able to get PR 7.... :?:

Can any one analyze this website and share there comments :?:
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Please check http://www.click-cialis.com/index.html this website has PR 7 has only 10 Backward links, also there is no links from Yahoo! and Dmoz.org I am trying to understand how this website is able to get PR 7....


you prolly did a search on their backlinks in google (which shows 10).
Have a look at the site and you will find 6 pages of links. 6 Pages of links!
Some of the links are coming from strong sites too.

This site did lots of link exchanges and probably thats why the PR is high for the site.
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Hi madmonk,

Which 6 Pages you are talking about, can you explain more indetail...?
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One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7.
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Getting PageRank is not that hard. I have not (yet) done the math, but there is only a couple of things that count when talking PR.

Incomming links will raise your PR.

The higher the PR of the page that links to you the more PR you gain.

Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page.

Also take into account that PR will be lowered even when you link to pages inside your own domain.

PageRank does only concern PAGES and not as widely said SITES.
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jaydeep. the site you are talking about has 6 pages of links. links from exchanges.
meaning that the site did lots of exchanges
Please look in the site to see what I mean...

"Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page. "
- I dont think this is true... it will not lower the PR of that page. correct me if i am wrong..
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Same problem on me, i think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year and i know most of our competitor have been buying backlinks from high pr sites so i decide that it become a some rules now :
1- Achiving to the pr5 is easy : List on dmoz.org and maybe yahoo directory and wait 2 month later you will jump pr4 from 0 then made some trades with pr4-5 pages and yup you are on pr5 at the next update
2- But when you have a pr5 , any of the pr6+ sites wont trade links with you maybe pr6 would give but they provide it from a link farm page - usually not quality and i think that gaining pr6 is impossible at this situation because you have had made all the possible backlinks to achieve pr5 from pr0 and there is no possible gaining resources left to you... So you must obey the rules and hire some pr7+ backlinks from the related resources.
3- When you have gained pr6 by the 2.nd rule then you will gain some additional resources to trade links with pr6-7 sites .
4- same 3rd rule will be applied to the higher steps too.

I do not know it is the best strategy but according to me they become a rule.
I have hired 2*pr7 and 30*pr6 backlink from related 2 sites including their all subpages and it costed to me 300$/M only now i have sit on my back (could left worrying on this issue and turn on my regular service jobs) wait for the closed pr update of the google to take its benefits , also i notice that text link ad's is bringing me some visitors too :beerchug:
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Every outgoing link on a page will lower PageRank on that page.


This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).

4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place. :)
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This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).


Well, I agree with the above statement and also think that was what i was trying to write in my poor English.

You gain absolutely nothing from onpage code or onpage content. But PR value passed to other pages will lower proportional to the number of outgoing links that a page has.

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4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place.


That depends of the situation. I have no external links on my main keyword page :)
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I sometimes forget the international audience enjoying ozzu, as much as I do. :)

You also have to remember ... there are new folks here reading your advice and trying to understand.

Now my mistake ... :arrow:
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4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place.


Weak attempt to say that links to other sites are a necessary evil. If you do not link your site to others, they may not link to you.

So you usually have to provide some external links (rank leak) in order to get back links (PR).
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"If you do not link your site to others, they may not link to you. "

agreed. Just have to look out for dodgy sites.
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phaugh wrote:
One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7.

LOOK http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3832431535 :shock: i am thinking to bid it - does it worth 500$ for pr8 backlink page?
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I was just thinking
if you have a page like page1.asp with a pr of 3
all the pages off it like page1.asp?country=england seem to have a pr of one less eg 2
is that right? I heard it drops a pr for every variable.
you could use that to generate pr for the home page.
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dolay wrote:
think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year


Have you got $49 you may want to try submit to http://www.bluefind.com
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Johan007 wrote:
dolay wrote:
think it is nearly impossible for our site to exceed pr5 until next year


Have you got $49 you may want to try submit to [Dead Link]
since this is not google forum i think this topic have to be carried to the google forum.
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PR is good to have but you can beet it with many low PR sites from unique websites (or class c IP's)

Take a look at one of my highly competative examples I can now make public for the first time (more will come soon):

EG1:

http://www.prsearch.net/index.php?Query=seo

SEO Toolkit (rlrouse.com/SEO.html) is only PR6. However seo-guy.com does not rank as well even though it has much higher PR much more back links and more on page optimzation.


EG 2:
http://www.prsearch.net/index.php?Query ... rch=Search

The number 2 site only has 241 back links and PR 6. However the bottom site patrickgavin.com has PR8, more on page optimsation and back links but many come from the same domains.
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This is absoluteky FALSE ...

1. Page rank is calculated from incoming links ... nothing ON the page affects PR of that page.

2. The page rank PASSED by a page is affected by the number of links on a page.

3. Links to external sites reduce the amount of PR passed to internal pages (rank leak).

4. No external links often means no incoming links to get PR in the first place. :)


This (especially 1-3) would mean that if i find lots of link exchanges with other sites my main page will get a higher PageRank. And it does not matter how many external links i have on the main page for the PageRank of this main site. The external links on the main page only affect the PageRank of all my sub pages, it does not affect the PageRank of my main page? Is this really true :?:
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The external links on the main page only affect the PageRank of all my sub pages


Technically this is correct, but ... remember page rank is a feedback calculation.

The more links on a page the lower the rank value passed through the links. You will lower the rank passed to internal pages, which in turn lowers the rank value passed BACK to the home page by internal links.
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dolay...I would not buy a PR8 link from anywhere for $500...that PR could disapear at any time. I would put that money in to a PPC campaign...it will get you more qualified traffic and will not go away. You could also get many more PR 6 and PR7 links for $500.

Johan007- there are more factors to why those pages rank the way they do....for example the number of out going links from a PR6 pages vs a PR8 page. It would be better to have a link on a pr6 page where you are the only link vs a pr8 page that has dozens of links. The anchor text will also factor into this equation. If google makes changes to the algo then this will all change...on page factors may hold more weight and PR will be less valuable.
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dolay...I would not buy a PR8 link from anywhere for $500...that PR could disapear at any time. I would put that money in to a PPC campaign...it will get you more qualified traffic and will not go away. You could also get many more PR 6 and PR7 links for $500.

Absolutely decided as you and we have hired backlinks from 3 different related web sites that have 3*pr7 and 300*pr6 lower then the amounts of 500$
Those are the sites that carefully selected(searched that their other linking web sites if they counted and they all counted by google...)

However i am still curious about getting pr7 at the next update with those backlinks from pr5.

What do you think 3*pr7 + 300*pr6 would be able to jump pr5 site to the pr7 ?
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$500 /month?

(guesswork here..) - it definitely sounds strong enough to get to pr 7.
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"What do you think 3*pr7 + 300*pr6 would be able to jump pr5 site to the pr7 ?" I think it will depend on how many links are on the page. It could happen since PR is logarithmic and not linear...

I had a problem with links that I bought...got my site banned from google and yahoo in only one month. The sites I linked on were not related to my theme and I'm thinking that might have caused it....it also could have been that I tripled my link count in a day. It might have been the site selling them being identified as a link dealer...I don't buy them anymore...becareful :) My site has still not recovered...it's been 5 months. I got a new domain and have ranked high with that one using hard work.
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it also could have been that I tripled my link count in a day


what do you mean by that? :? please explain.
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I had about 250 links and the links I bought brought me to about 1000. That might have been suspicious to the se's...certainly not natural.
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I can't believe raw numbers would have anything to do with it...

If a website is picked up by the newswires, several hundred links can be generated in a single day. News worthy sites would not be penalized.
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Just to clarify "One non recip link from a PR 8 site can get you PR7." This would have to be your only link or one of a few links and it would have to be the only outgoing link on the page. That would probably push enough PR to your site to get a PR of 7...that doesn't mean you would rank higher than a site that has 100's of PR 6 links that resulted in a PR of 7....the the toolbar bar would most likely read PR7. I've seen sites that have PR of 7 and have little or no content and they don't rank well.
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serps vs pr ?
I agree with rtchar. hundreds/thousands of links cannot create suspicion. It will only mean that the site is massively marketing itself.
maybe a site like friendster will create more links than afew thousands in a day coz it is appearing in blogs all over...
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But a site like that would probably have more than 250 links to begin with...and they may not all pop up in one day or point to the opening page....it's really just a guess...but that fact remains when I added the links I got a big boost and one month later...goodbye :(

Lost all my money ($1000) and had to reinvent the wheel! I asked them to pull the links for a while and now the site I bought them from doesn't even return my emails... You know who you are ;) don't screw with me or you'll wind up like my landscaper...he will never do business on the web..see it here: http://www.mvcomputers.com/stuff/ Anyone who wants to link to this page I will give you a PR4 non-recip link back from one of my other sites that are Computer Services or Real Estate related.
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phaugh wrote:
"What do you think 3*pr7 + 300*pr6 would be able to jump pr5 site to the pr7 ?" I think it will depend on how many links are on the page. It could happen since PR is logarithmic and not linear...

I had a problem with links that I bought...got my site banned from google and yahoo in only one month. The sites I linked on were not related to my theme and I'm thinking that might have caused it....it also could have been that I tripled my link count in a day. It might have been the site selling them being identified as a link dealer...I don't buy them anymore...becareful :) My site has still not recovered...it's been 5 months. I got a new domain and have ranked high with that one using hard work.

Hey come on, whats the difference between the 3 sites that have 3*7pr and 300*pr6 that we have hired and THE YAHOO PAID DIRECTORY
Let me say ones price is 299$ other costs 450$/M :!:

If google think to bann some sites becouse of they are selling Backlinks they must first start to bann from YAHOO . ISNT IT ?
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I'm not knocking the guys who sell links ;) I realize that yahoo does it too...and there is no difference. I'm just warning you to what I experienced. I made no chages to a site that was #5 for 3 years....I wanted to be #1....I just bought some links then the site dissappeared from both google and yahoo indexes. I guessing that it had to do with related type sites. Mine was not like the theme of the site that my links were posted on. When I reseached it the other sites that bought links that were not computer related also got dropped from the index. The sites that dealt with seo and computer services were not affected....I'd buy them again but this time I would be more careful.

$450/month seems expensive...how many other outgoinging links are on the page? I paid $1000/year for 500+ links most were PR6. There were only 10 outgoing links on the pages....spread across 30+ sites.
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I do not think 3*pr7 and 300*pr6 backlink for 450$/M too much .
Becouse all of them is directly related with our site and 1 of them is our competitor service :oops:
I have analysed their links and their average outgoing links on the main page is about 20(and more 20 internal links) , i think this is normal for a pr7sites and the most important thing is that their outgoing links havent backlinks to them, they have all unparallel linkexchange and i notice that it is the major point of google rankng based on PR at those last updates.
But those sites are linking to the unrelated sites such as casino, health, travel... and i am not sure if it will harm us or not.
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It only souds expensive because I see links offered for $1 each per year...but it looks like you did your research and if it brings in $ then it's worth it :)
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It only souds expensive because I see links offered for $1 each per year...but it looks like you did your research and if it brings in $ then it's worth it :)
SO WHY DO NOT YOU LET US KNOW ?
WHERE ARE THE RESOURCES THAT WE COULD REACH 1$/YR A PR7 LINK?
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Hi Guys,

Interesting post by DOLAY. anyway, i have a site of pr3. Everyone was saying that increasing to pr5 is easy, however, i beg to differ. I have been trying all sorts of method and really, believe me, i have contents, i have got inbound links within my own site by using anchor tag to link from one side to anther side, i have also did link exchange. But my rank still stuck in pr 3? why why? some of my Exchange link, are external link which i did not get reciprocal link from the exchanging parties--would that affect? can soomeone help me to achieve at least pr5. besides paying for pr, are there any other better ways, cos i think its not necessary to pay for pr5.

ps. please take a look at my site if you could spot the mistake of my site http://www.hst.com.sg

Thank you very much for reading!
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Hi,

I guess you should do a lot of link exchange. Get quality links.
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:roll: I am sure.. besides this, there are other problems u guys can think of? please help me.. =X
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you must link to sites with PR not less than 4. To find such sites, visit www.prsearch.net

Also write in forums, press releases if you have sth newsworthy, of course.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=online%2 ... t=640&sa=N

I did a foolish thing just now, i went to the google serach engine, clicked right from page 1 to page 65 and finally, i found my SITE!

Comparing my site wtih the others, i thought my site would be better rank a little better than page 65? Someone tell me what is wrong with my site that caused me to worth page 65?
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PR has not updated in months however it should not effect your ranking. At the end of the day you still lack inbound links as I can only see 2 and thats not very good if you want free rankings.

Consider a short cut and pay per clicks that I use on: https://adwords.google.com/select/
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i have already paid for "pay per click" service already from the adware google.

And what do you mean i only have 2 inbound links? how do you know?which are the 2 inbound links-- Is it the one found in my EXCHANGE link site??? the reciprocal linkS?? i thought i have more than that? :(
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query Google with link:www.yourdomain.com

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=link%3 ... main%2Ecom

some times it takes time to update. In the past it would only show back links less than PR4 but thats not the case for now.
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swee. try paying to get your site into business.com.
it may help a lot. on top of that, you have to wait for google to update your site and changes.

you did your link exchanges. so just WAit for now.

All of us are waiting for google update. so, hang on tight. Thats probably all you need to do for the time being.
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I thought the google is updating constantly? Wouldn't we be able to see the result immediately when the efforts are put in? In additions, i went to SEOCHAT.com to check the number of inbound and external links i have. To my astonishment, the result was 24 Inbound links and 0 external links?? how could there be just 24 inbound links when i hvae actually added quite a few numbers of Anchor tags linking within my own pages. Doesnt that count as inbound link? what i mean was ( page A of my own site link to page B of my site using Anchor tag). Anyone know what is considered as inbound link (not including reciprocal links)? :roll:
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I'm seeing 178 backlinks in google: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl ... hst.com.sg

All except for two come from your own site.

Yahoo is showing 40 but most of them come from about 5 sites.

Add your site to your profile...that will help a little but not much since your theme is different.

Check your links here: http://tools.marketleap.com/publinkpop/
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I wouldn't worry so much about links right now...you need to improve your titles, keywords and description tags.

The title reads home...your not selling home....work some of your keywords in to the title...not too many though....focus you keywords tag to target only a dozen or so...you have so many it will be hard for the se's to figure out what the site is about....spread some of the other out across the site.

The description is good but I would work some of those terms in to the other tags.

Also try to get some alt text in to the fabric samples that link to other pages....use the target page's title as you link text.
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Thanks Phaugh! i'm absorbing now but its really weird to see my page rank at page 65 with those non-relevant sites? you see. yeh, When view source, it was "home" that was my mistake and i'm going to correct it soon. I am currenly changing the filename of the url so that it contain keywords toO. Still, do yuo knwo how long it would tkae for google to update our rank?

Oh, try this with my website url and you will get different answer. =)
http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/site-link-analyzer
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My guess is with a proper title tag you will jump to #65 or better not page 65...good luck! Your site is very good content wise but just needs some tweaking...you'll get there :)
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Your search ranking can change daily but your backlinks and PR will only update every 4-6 weeks...although PR has been very slow to update recently....

Change your title asap and you'll see your site move up for the terms you put in the title....the more incoming links you have from high PR pages the more frequently google will visit you....I get a visit everyday or so and if I make changes to the home page and some internal pages I get a deep crawl about every two weeks....but that's just my site...some get more some get less....
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Hey Guys!! i have One very important queries!?

For a reciprocal link, if i dont link to them while they link to me..would i get my share of pg rank? anyone please??
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Swee wrote:
For a reciprocal link, if i dont link to them while they link to me..would i get my share of pg rank? anyone please??


Its simple... It will not make much deference to your PR if you link to them and it helps your reputation if you link to them and encourages them to link to you which will give you loads of PR.
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Hey! to update the page rank, are we waitng for the Spider or somebody else? i know this qns is stupid? but i thougth spider has been visiting us daily? is he responsible to update our page rank dialy? btw, what is EXTeRNAL links like? i have been using this [URL] http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/site-link-analyzer [URL] to check my LINKS and the result for EXTERNAL links is always 0 ZERO? why is it so?
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I am sure the real page rank is worked out all the time however what you see in the Google Tool bar is updated when ever the person at Google feels like it. No sites toolbar page rank has been updated in over 4 months now.

Same goes for back links showing in Link:

Same goes for AdSense statistics

Same goes for Adwords Reports

... just cos you cant see it does nos not mean it is happening.
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Johan007 wrote:
I am sure the real page rank is worked out all the time however what you see in the Google Tool bar is updated when ever the person at Google feels like it


I was thinking about this earlier, and I'm sure other people have come to the same conclusion as me. The general public do not need to know what the PR of a site is. The only reason for google publishing accurate PR stats, and full accurate link: results is for people to use that for SEO. Google doesn't actually want to help the SEOs really, so why should they update the PR for all to see? Their algo can work perfectly well without showing the rest of the world, and when it gives no benefit to them, why bother?
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rtm223 wrote:
Their algo can work perfectly well without showing the rest of the world, and when it gives no benefit to them, why bother?


Indeed that’s my thoughts too. Notice when I post SEO topics I choose not to include my footer link! :wink:
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Okie, Let alone the Page rank indicator. But, something must have gone wrong somewhere for my site to be ranked on the PAGE 65 with those non relevant sites. Something must have gone wrong but i really don't understnad what went wrong? i have done what everyone has said- add keywords/content/anchor tags/exchange links/..etc u name it.. but why am i sightless in Google search Engines? Somewhere must have went wrong. nbut what?
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You need to swap even more links. New sites like yours had been given a free boost by Google and if you dont have links to support it then you drop down.
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Okie, Let alone the Page rank indicator. But, something must have gone wrong somewhere for my site to be ranked on the PAGE 65 with those non relevant sites. Something must have gone wrong but i really don't understnad what went wrong? i have done what everyone has said- add keywords/content/anchor tags/exchange links/..etc u name it.. but why am i sightless in Google search Engines? Somewhere must have went wrong. nbut what?
...it's your title tag
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I think google displays page rank just to stop startup directories with no PR getting any links.
PR slows down link exchanges as people wont link to your site untill it has a decent PR.
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madmonk wrote:
all thse talk are totally unrelated to the topic...


They do bring up interesting points related to SEO though.


back to topic.

How to get a PR8, quite simple.
Get an SEO to work full time on link building.

you dont always need a high PR for serps though.
the only reason you NEED a PR8 is if your selling links, and there are ways of making a site appear to have a higher PR than it actually has.
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Hello every body!
I want to know about how many baklinks or reciprocal links required for PR6
any explain or give me detail about this
and also how much time i will take
thanks
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Only google knows the formula on how they give PR based on the number of baclinks. All you have to do for now is continue building links as many as you can so that you will achieve your desired PR.
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iliyaspatel wrote:
Hello every body!
I want to know about how many baklinks or reciprocal links required for PR6
any explain or give me detail about this
and also how much time i will take
thanks
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Well ..no one can suggest how many links you need to get PR 6 or even 2,3,4 or 5 and there s no any time limit for it. you can get a very good PR with just a 10-20 links but also can not get it with thousands of links....you can get higher PR within 3-4 months after making your website but also can not get it after years...

I suggest you to do not go for quantity of links......just focus on building only quality relevant links using ethical seo methods only and have a little patience......you will definitely get positive results....
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You required quality back links not tons of PR 0 useless back links . Its better if you have keyword in anchor text .
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No one really knows the exact amount of backlinks needed for a certain PR except for Google. Just continue link building and wait for the result or PR update
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There is NO set rule, just keep on building Good and Relevant links ONLY, p.s dont pay for them
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Hey there,

There is no set amount.

The reason is because is backlink is valued differently depending upon the quality of the link.

If the backlink is from a website related to your niche with a high PR, then more PR is given from that link that from a nonrelavent website.

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iliyaspatel wrote:
Hello every body!
I want to know about how many baklinks or reciprocal links required for PR6
any explain or give me detail about this
and also how much time i will take
thanks
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This chart is what I use in a few of my referencing articles, It's not 100% accurate, but it will give you a general idea:

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Keep in mind that just because the home page of a site is a PR-6 doesn't mean they all are, matter of fact the majority of the pages are probably PR=0.... This is something to keep in mind when submitting for PR purposes or exchanging, make sure to check the actual page your link will be on (Thats the only page that will count in the PR juice transfer).

I don't focus on PR myself anymore, I focus on Traffic Vs. Conversion rates - The Money -

I wish you luck! :wink:
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The page rank doesn't depend on the number of backlinks but depends on the PR of those links. If you want to know more , you may read this.

http://www.prweaver.com/blog/2004/11/15 ... -backlinks
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Hey there,

Again, there are no solid numbers for this.

Look at the following article:

http://pr.efactory.de/e-pagerank-algorithm.shtml

This has google's original pagerank alogrithm on it.

Say you have a backlink that is on a page with PR10. Woot! That must be great right? It depends. How many outbound links are on that PR10 page? Pagerank is distributed equally to all outbound links. The less outbound links on the page your backlink is on the better.

Furthermore, not only does good take the number of outbound links on that page into consideration, but also the quality of that page and how well it is related to your niche.

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Hi,

Well to get to PR6, simply buy a relevant PR7 link that desn't have more than 8-10 outbound links. You'll have a PR6 site within 3-6 months (1 or 2 pr updates).

I know what i am talking about :)
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Hey there,

I would not suggest buying any links.

Why do you think the PR dropped for so many websites lately? Google is cracking down on paid links especially with directories.

Paid links may help you in the beginning, but they may end up hurting you in the long run. Which is more important?

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twalters84,

No i dont think your website will ever get hurt for having backlinks pointed to it. However i strongly suggest you keep a close watch on the kind of links you buy. You should only buy links from relevant websites with good content. Also avoid buying links from sites that use java script to show the links (i mean link brokers that use java script), this way google can easily tell if the links are paid ads.

If you look at it logically, everyone has the right to advertise their sites, why would any search engine want to take that right away from you if you are doing everything the right way?
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It's not that bad at all, It depends on what your purpose when buying links

Read below

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/

Quote:
Q: Now when you say “paid links,” what exactly do you mean by that? Do you view all paid links as potential violations of Google’s quality guidelines?
A: Good question. As someone working on quality and relevance at Google, my bottom-line concern is clean and relevant search results on Google. As such, I care about paid links that flow PageRank and attempt to game Google’s rankings. I’m not worried about links that are paid but don’t affect search engines. So when I say “paid links” it’s pretty safe to add in your head “paid links that flow PageRank and attempt to game Google’s rankings.”
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Hey there,

That is exactly what matt cutt's blog is talking about... buying links for the sole purpose of manipulating page rank.

Jason, you may want to read some more about paid links. Google has been lowering the PR on sites that have bought links. I would consider that hurting your website. That money could have gone to better use with creating quality content.

You are right about everybody should be able to advertise on their websites. Although Google makes their money through advertising so you can be sure one of their agendas is to control a large share of the advertising market. I think they even bought a website called doubleclick awhile back.

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twalters84,

Ok lets take it this way, if you have 2 sites, one is new and the other is old, and you put your new site's link on your old site to tell people your new site is great and they should visit it. Does that mean google will hurt your new site just because you have a backlink from another site ? Obviously not.

Or if you place a link on your site saying, hey look see this great site eBay.com and place a link to ebay auction. Do you think google will hurt ebay for this? how would google know if ebay has paid you for this link or you are happy with ebay and you have placed a link on your site so that you users can benefit from it?

Google or any other search engines can not tell if a link is purchased or its been placed there because its a great site? how can a bot tell the difference? just how? unless the linking site has a java script and your link is embedded in that same java script shows up on hundreds or possibly thousands of sites and all pointing a link " Place your link here" to a link broker's site.

There are millions of sites that exchange links, should google hurt them as well? we should think logically :)

So there is no issue with buying links whatsoever if you play it right.

Jason
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Hey there,

Maybe you should read the following article, coming from the head of google's spam team ;)

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links/

Its very easy to report paid links - and they are investigated.

When truth be told, not everybody is caught. However, a lot of people are. Why take the risk when you can get backlinks for free? It is all about quality content my friend.

Sincerely,
Travis Walters
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Well again, the thing i've been saying is buy links only from relevant and quality sites with no sponsored links as heading.. :) There is no way google can check if the links are paid or placed just because the webmaster thinks it a good site for its users to read.

Obviously you would'nt want to have links from or to to spammy, illegal, hate or viagra sites. Thats junk and will certainly hurt you.

If sites could get penalized this way then this is a door to heaven for you to get your competitors sites banned, you could simply buy links for your competitor and then report to google and that site will get banned ;) its pretty amusing man.

Google is doing something theres no doubt about it, but still very hard to tell the difference in paid or non paid links :) lets see how things come up in 6 months or so down the road.
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No one can predict that if you have 10, 20 .... backlinks you will get PR . it depends on sites where you go for submission. So always submitt to Good Directories.
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Always go for proper relevant business sites, directories are ok but business sites are the way to go now.
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look so promotely ...


i think average backlink is only good for first time,

the most important is your content site quality... and add your visitor loyality
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you can calculate online ( at http://www.check-rank.com ) to see how many backlinks you required
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I think there is no extent formula which tell how many backlinks are required for PR6. It depends on the Google or any search engine algorithm.
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exipnos wrote:
you can calculate online ( at http://www.check-rank.com ) to see how many backlinks you required



Do not go for tools like this........tools like this can not do anything else than misguiding you.
If you check this tool you will find that many sites with same pagerank have different no of backlinks....

Counting for no of backlinks is just wait of time.....because quality always matter lot more and not quantity. You can have good PR with just few no of backlinks and can not get good pr having large no of low quality or normal backlinks.

Also focus on getting higher ranking on search engines first and then for anything else........
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I'm curious........how many of you guys have top ten rankings anyway?!?! (Show of hands, please...) And if so, what have you done to maintain your ranking, seeing as the google algorithm changes every other month or three.......
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I think you must focus more on having a quality backlinks that are related to your site. For me, PR is not that important, having quality backlinks help you gain more traffics because linking back to other sites is an automatic traffic.
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You could also find-out what your high ranking competitors have as back links and get back links from the same places.
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I think even you have few good links of quality , it will help you lot to improve your PR. You can see my site http://www.onlineindiannews.com

My rank jump to 2 because of links of quality and of same sublect.

I think you can have idea if you visit my website http://www.onlineindiannews.com

Good LUCK

sanjay
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Hello sir,

Good to hear all news regarding Google Page rank Up and lows..
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That's a good reference scorpoin..
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Post 3+ Months Ago

PR is not depended only for Back links ..
Pr is depend to all of SEO works....
On page optimization & Off page optimization...

Rahul.
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PR is not determined by onpage optimization.
PR does not determine where you rank either.
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One thing not to do is buy links from link farms, whether or not they have a good page rank, Google does not like link farms and are penalising them.

The best thing is to get backwards links with relevant keywords from sites with higher page ranks from your site.

Make sure the page the link is on has a high page rank, not just the homepage.

If you take a look at my companies site \\link removed, we have 588 links all related from our customers we have designed a website for.

A good way of helping to form a page rank is to use RSS feed, Google caches each page and as it can be constantly updated, you can build a good reputation and users will find another way into your site.

Claireo
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if my site is new then how much time it will take for getting pr 1 and how much backlink it required
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kirannraj wrote:
if my site is new then how much time it will take for getting pr 1 and how much backlink it required


Just wait to google update to be able to see your PR...Regarding on how many backlinks it depend upon to the google algo, anyway no one knows the exact but one thing is for sure if you build a bunch of QUALITY BL you will get what you want...
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Right try to build links with .edu and .gov because more of those sites are quality one...but do it properly it is not easy to be part of them...
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No one knows the formula of the getting PR6 in may backlinks, and you think only about the quality links for your site. Content of the site is more important for your site. Other things are also required to getting backlinks.
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Just exchange links with Web related websites which include web design web hosting domain registration not from India.
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i think it depends on many factors .. for example .. 1 link from PG -9 make you PG-6 .. or 500 links from PG-3 or 4 --

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