Not ranking for keyword

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Well here i am again asking for some more advice on why i am not ranking for my main keywords - "wedding website".

Other keywords have kept going up, i have even been recording them -

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affordable wedding website
09/06/04 501
23/06/04 433
08/08/04 266
10/08/04 69

Wedding Website Design
10/08/04 128


you can see that "affordable wedding website" has been getting increasing its position dramatically. However when i use "GoogleRankings.com" (Such a great tool!) It is saying that i am no where in results for wedding website!

My site http://www.wedding-designs.co.uk in my opinion has been optimized the max for my keywords. I even made the keywords bold and some italic.

I have followed all the advice that was given to me in previous posts. For instance i have changed the title so that my main keywords are first. I have changed the pages names that were the same so that they are unique. However i am still not getting any where with my main keyword.

Could this be because the update is brewing or am i doing something wrong?

Advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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I just sent a bot to your site and I think I see what is happening ...

"affordable wedding website" - appears 2 times in an <h5 tag,
more importantly "wedding website" - appears 14 times most are bold test. All very good.

"Wedding Website Design" - appears in the title and description meta tags (invisible) but it only appears 1 time on the page.

Strangely the phrase is broken by <b tags

Quote:
7349 <B>
7352 wedding website
7367 </B>
7371 design if you want a beautiful


You may want to use the phrase more often and try to keep the words together if you bold the text.
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Yeah but what i mean is that for "wedding website" i am no where in seach results.

Sorry if i have misunderstood you.
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i've just checked my sites.....and they're nowhere to be seen in the results either....not even in the top 1500! :oops: :evil:

it may be because my sites aren't that old......who knows..... :? :cry:
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WOW ... you certainly have a lot of work to do. The keywords you want (wedding website) are extremely popular. (Results 1 - 10 of about 3,320,000 )

Not impossible ... but certainly a lot of work and patience are going to be needed.

Personally I would focus more on your product. You are competing with every wedding planner, wedding invitation, and bridal gown website in the world; with such a general key phrase.

Focus more on something like "wedding website templates" (Results 1 - 10 of about 199,000 ). You have a better chance of attracting visitors who are looking for a site like yours.
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You are going to have alot of work to do. I mean #1 for "wedding website" has a PR of 7. It is not impossible though. I have many sites where I am a PR of 5 and am in the top 5 for over 5...6...7 million results. Have you checked your positioning in MSN or Yahoo? I have found that when I do well in MSN/Yahoo and low in Google, my onsite copy is well written, but the importance of the site is low.

I also see that you still do not have a DMOZ listing. I feel this is so important in getting ranked high.

Another thing. If you want to place even higher for "affordable wedding website", stick affordable in your title.

I think your site is also pretty new. Your inner pages do not have any PR as of yet, so they will need to build up, which then will further build up your homepage PR.

And the last thing. If you do have trouble in the future, you may want to try http://www.wedding-website-designs.com or something in that context.
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Mr Smith wrote:
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i've just checked my sites.....and they're nowhere to be seen in the results either....not even in the top 1500! :oops: :evil:

it may be because my sites aren't that old......who knows..... :? :cry:


Well good luck because your in one of the most competitive fields. I would try going for a specific location like "Chicago Website Design" for example. Try to focus on a certain location first, and then push to get your overall positioning for the "website design" or your other keywords higher.
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hi tone2k11, a search for "wedding website" revealed lots of tough competition.

you need lots of work, patience and time.

and vetofunk pretty much said everything that I wanted to say..
- you need dmoz to get higher rankings.
- your competitors already have dmoz listings

btw, it may work out if you try contacting these competitors for link exchanges. you never know.
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Ouch ... it just seems to go from BAD to WORSE!

I was going to say if you are really serious then just try to outdo the competition.

So I figured you could just create more pages ... then I did site:www.competitor.com. You have a lot of work to do!

The answer Results 1 - 10 of about 16,000 from http://www.competitor.com

OK, then maybe you could out link them? Wrong again ... Results 1 - 10 of about 1,120 linking to http://www.competitor.com (and you know that is not all the links).

I go back to my original advice ... focus on your products, wedding website templates.
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Ouch! that hurt!

Well my pages used to all have a PR of 3, this was when the url of the site would look like this "www.wedding-designs.co.uk/html/templates.html

I then changed it so it was published flat (http://www.wedding-designs.co.uk,templates)

So i am going to have to wait for google to give the pages a PR of three again.

I am on the first page of the new msn search (which has not been relesased yet) for keyword "wedding website" so hopefully i want shift to much. I also rank well for many of my other main keywords.

DMOZ are doing my head in. Submitted to them about 4 months ago, i posted in there forums after a month and they said that i am still waiting for a review. I have got to wait untill xmas untill i can ask again (what a nice xmas present it would be if i got listed!)

I am running out for ideas of where i can get links from. Just going to have to dream up some more search terms with the word wedding in them.

Thank you all for your help.

My next site is also going to be a pain in the arse! as i was going to go for "website design" Think i might concentrate more on "hampshire web design" as thats my local area.

Once again. Cheers

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vetofunk wrote:
Mr Smith wrote:
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i've just checked my sites.....and they're nowhere to be seen in the results either....not even in the top 1500! :oops: :evil:

it may be because my sites aren't that old......who knows..... :? :cry:


Well good luck because your in one of the most competitive fields. I would try going for a specific location like "Chicago Website Design" for example. Try to focus on a certain location first, and then push to get your overall positioning for the "website design" or your other keywords higher.


vetofunk,

i will try that....however, it may prove quite a problem to put in the word 'worcestershire' (my local area) often enough in the content for it to work...i'm reluctant to put it in too much, as the nature of the word makes it easy to look like spam......

hope you understand what i'm trying to say. :)
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You may only have to use it once in the title, description and content to have it work. I would just test.
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I am running out for ideas of where i can get links from.


I know what you are saying ...

I don't really search on terms any more.... I spend a lot of time following links to get new sites.

Just start at a competitors site, look for the best links on their link page. Look at each of those sites and select the best links. Haven't run out sites to request links yet! But I have found several related themes I did not think about. :)
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Remember to try link exchange forums.
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Tone2k11 wrote:
I am running out for ideas of where i can get links from.
Tony, have you tried submitting to minor directories, while you are waiting to get into dmoz? I spent yesterday morning going through directories of directories, looking for places to submit.

I submitted to about 15 directories, and put a further 15 on a "maybe" list, for future reference (mostly they wanted reciprical links before they would consider my site). Anyway, of those 15, I got 5 replies by dinnertime. 4 accepted me, one rejected (and then changed their mind later on :? ). Of those 5 links, all are <b>non-reciprocal</b>, one is a PR6, one PR5 and one is a PR4.

Some of these direcories are really easy to get into, I think they just check to make sure the site exists and then add you :lol: Some of them will let you submit multiple pages, and you can choose your own anchor text and stuff.

The directories of directories I used are:
http://www.directoryarchives.com/
http://www.isedb.com/
http://www.searchengineguide.com/searchengines.html
http://www.grackelfish.com/

Just sort yourself out a couple of titles and descriptions, to vary stuff a bit, and get submitting :D


A little off topic, but I have a question. Do directory pages count for relevancy? I mean all the other sites listed on your page are going to be similar and so the whole page linking to you will be themed towards your site, won't it?
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Thanks rtm, i will have a look at them tonight and submit to as many as i can.
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rtm223 wrote:
Tone2k11 wrote:
Do directory pages count for relevancy? I mean all the other sites listed on your page are going to be similar and so the whole page linking to you will be themed towards your site, won't it?



The answer is yes, if they are run correctly. Provided the content is kept stictly to the category in question. If the directory is running Adsense then this is a good indicatior, as the Ads reflect which category Google thinks the page is "about".

Check out a couple of my directories, allthebizz which is a Business Directory and Smallerbizz an SME Directory

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hi tone2k11, Just pm'd you some directories.. :wink:

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