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Google maybe getting better as seeing what are the best types on links to come into your site. Maybe those top seo sites had tons of links coming from link farms or sites having nothing to do with their category of business and thats why their PR decreased. This is why you should always get relevant links to your site.
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Yeah, but you can't control who links to your site, and Google knows this.

Theoretically, if Google discriminated against you because of who links to you, then an unscrupulous competitor could easily get your ranking way down by submitting you to countless link farms.
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Thats true, I am not saying Google with penalize you. But if Google is re-evaluating the way they calculate pagerank, your PR could go down due to most of your links coming from irrelevant sites, rather than relevant ones. It all depends on Google has updated its calculations for PR.
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Not necessarily, because if Google loads a URL that contains Google AdSense script, they don't use the 4 random links that come up in the AdSense, and count them as links to those URLs.

So, how would they be in violation? I don't think it was suggested that Google would tell you to not sell ad space..

The better question would be, how is Google going to know what ads are paid for on your site, and which are good ol' fashioned regular off-site links? It can't.


Good point axe.
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vetofunk: For the most part I understand why you worry about these things. But, as someone else pointed out elsewhere this very morning, people used to talk about possible penalties for other things that are still working fine today, years later. People should spend more time working with what works now and making their clients happier than worrying about laters "what if's". If things change later then we change with them and adapt. It's always been that way.
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I am not saying your going to be penalized. I hear all the time how people have 1000's of backlinks and there PR is so high, but they are all from irrelevant sites. And then they complain when it drops. Get them fro relevant sites and your PR won't drop, my opinion anyway.

It doesnt worry me at all. I'd rather spend most of my day getting links from relevant sites rather than free links from casinos and online pharmacys.
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vetofunk wrote:
Thats true, I am not saying Google with penalize you. But if Google is re-evaluating the way they calculate pagerank, your PR could go down due to most of your links coming from irrelevant sites, rather than relevant ones. It all depends on Google has updated its calculations for PR.


I think more likely would be...

It penalizes you for who YOU link to (and thus lowers your PR), but this can (and maybe will) in turn, lower the PR of those pages you link to.

In the link farm theory... It penalizes the link farm for the on-topicness of their links. If their off-site links are nothing to do with the topic at hand, it penalizes them and drops their PR. Because they may now be a 3/10 instead of a 7/10, that's not going to weigh anywhere near as heavily with those sites that are linked to (one being you - thus your PR drops).
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People should spend more time working with what works now and making their clients happier than worrying about laters "what if's". If things change later then we change with them and adapt. It's always been that way.

Key words.. "making their clients"... It's called making your own market. Do what works today, worry about future changes (and what you'll charge to account for them) in the future :)

My own personal sites, I would attempt to future-proof where possible, if I know beforehand that search engines are going in a certain direction.
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Ill agree with the casinos and pharmacies bit :P

But the only way pr drops is if linking sites PR drops, or in the case of a major PR/IBL update a ton of brand new sites are included in the update, thus spreading PR out in the affected categories.

Those are the only 2 ways that your pagerank can decrease to my knowledge. PageRank is not like the serps, it doesnt go up and down depending on relevancy. Each site linking passes a certain amount of pr to yours, relevant or not that amount doesnt change.
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This is an excellant article on how pagerank actually works including the basic formula for how pr is distributed. And it comes from the site that Dan Thies has coined "the home of pagerank". It may help you understand what PR is actually all about.

http://webworkshop.net/pagerank.html

btw, no it is not my site. It is in my sig due to respect of the owners abilities and knowledge.
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I did read "Page Rank Explained" so I am familiar with the way it works and how you should set up your linking structure. I am just looking to what the future can bring. I know right now that PR doesn't work like Google expected it to or maybe they did. It is easily abused and I am sick of getting 10 emails a day asking me to exchange links with sites that have nothing to do with mine. :-)
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yeh spammers are making it harder. its always been that way with link popularity tho in all the major engines.
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Axe, (or whoever), how can you tell if a site with a link to you on it is hiding it in javascript or not?
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jfvb1225 wrote:
Axe, (or whoever), how can you tell if a site with a link to you on it is hiding it in javascript or not?


it would look like this:
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<a href="Javascript:go('http://domain.com');">
or even like:
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<a href="#" onclick="Javascript:go('http://domain.com');">
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Okay thanks. Im running my site in a couple SEO spider simulator sites, and theyre showing all my ibls are valid.
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jfvb1225 wrote:
Okay thanks. Im running my site in a couple SEO spider simulator sites, and theyre showing all my ibls are valid.


you should check out http://anchorwizard.com for a full range of IBL tools :)

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