The Home Page Link and the Domain Link?

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since i can not find a reliable answers about that problem on the other related threads, i need to ask here privately.

We have pr5 since 3 months and we used to ranking well but when we have to change our homepage from index.html to the index.shtml now google give pr4 to the index.shtml at the last update altough the domain.com have pr5 and the ranks lowered as it is a pr4 site.
Also i see that mydomain.com/index.shtml have 2-3 backlink at the google backlink results and the domain.com have 80 backlinks so i am sure that google cant tought that index.shtml is the domain.com homepage but it tought it is a subpage and gives the pr4 as all of our subpages.

how can i fix that issue and tell the google that index.shtml is my domain.com homepage ?

I am afraid this wont change at the next update too at this situation also whats the deal between http://www.mydomain.com/ backlinks and http://www.mydomain.com/index.shtml backlinks if the index.shtml is the homepage of the mydomain.com?

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dolay

My answers are not reliable? :cry:

http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic29129.html
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Ok i found what i need.
By 301 redirect code for nix server at the .htaccess

by adding those lines to the bottom of this file

redirect 301 /index.html http://www.mydomain.com/index.shtml
RedirectMatch 301 (.*) http://www.mydomain.com$1

first row is for changing that index.html to the index.shtml and second row is telling google give same pr to the "without www" mydomain.com as the http://www.mysdomain.com haves.

I think this is a RELIABLE - CORRECT ANSWER of my needs however could anyone confirm this if it is correct codes?

Also when google update those redirections: at the next crawl or at the next pr/backlink update?

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i think there is something wrong with
RedirectMatch 301 (.*) http://www.mydomain.com$1

it makes whole the site dns not to resolve :)
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dolay

We discussed a similar situation in this thread ...
http://www.ozzu.com/ftopic27801.html
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No it does not contain what i asked exactly!
I am asking that how could it be told to the google that index.html changed to the index.shtml and make the google gives old index.html pr to the new index.shtml?

I think this is a very very simple question but you are still continue telling me link structure/internal link strategies insistently.



http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... ista%2Ecom there are 2 result

http://www.google.com/search?hl=tr&ie=U ... .shtml&lr= ther are 2 result

http://www.google.com/search?hl=tr&ie=U ... ta.com&lr= there are 71 result

http://www.google.com/search?hl=tr&ie=U ... x.html&lr= there are 71 result

As you seen Google tought newista.com homepage is index.shtml (new since 1.5 month) and newista. com/ homepage is index.html (which is nonexistant for 1.5 month)

I am asking thta how to fix it becouse google lowered our ranks for trouble result not according to the 71backlink resulted ranks since the last updates and THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT RELATED WITH THE 2 DIFFERENT HOME LINKS AT THE SITE which are the links of newista.com and newista.com/index.shtml becouse they are only 1 week old but this issue is 1.5 month old.
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OK ... I think I got it NOW!

I have seen another site simply replace the old page content with a single link to the home page, when they changed to PHP from html.

See http://www.homelandsafes.com

I have seen another site using a redirect script on a page when changing from a free host to a domain name.

See http://www.pla-net.net/~rcomer/

Maybe these will help.
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I don't think you can get google to move your PR to a new page....from what I understand PR is page based...the only way to transfer the PR is to change your existing links to point to the new page.

From google: http://www.google.com/webmasters/3.html#A3
"We cannot manually change your listed address at the exact time you move to your new site. There are steps you can take to make sure that your transition goes smoothly, however. Google listings are based in part on our ability to find your site by following links from other web pages. To preserve your ranking, you will want to inform any sites that currently link to your pages of your change of address. As long as the links change as you move your site over to a new location, your PageRank should not be adversely affected.

If your site goes unlisted for a time, this does not mean you were intentionally dropped from our index. Sometimes in these transitions, we fail to find a site at its new address. Just be sure that others are linking to you and we should pick you up on our next web crawl."

Why are you linking to index.html or index.shtml....shouldn't you be linking to the domain not the entry page....this way you could change the default page on your server and everything will stay the same.
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I think the best thing to do is just use a href="/" as your home link for all your internal links.
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i am sorry , i think the problems is on me (english is not my mother language...)

The problem is exactly because of our homepage index.html changed to the index.shtml (we have to do it because of some #include commands) anyway at the last update google crawler tweaked on our site becouse it couldnt find a index.html but instead index.shtml and it has given pr4 to the index.shtml altough newista.com/ and newista.com/index.html have the pr5 (as seen still on the backlink result above) but the worst google tought http://www.newista.com and newista.com/ are different pages ( do not laugh at me at this point becouse http://www.newista.com is a subdomain of newista.com and they would be different if you dont use same A records)
I am sure about this scenario according to the backlink results above and sure about this not become from the different links that are point newista.com/ and newista.com/index.shtml because they are new, when this problem accured there werent any homepage link manipulating as this...

But i am not sure about the solution to fix this at the next update.
The most possible solution that i could find is the 301 redirect codes in to the .htaccess for both newista.com to the http://www.newista.com and index.html to the index.shtml
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You are probably right with the 301 redirect but I would redirect everything to the http://www.newista.com domain and set up your server so it looks for index.shtml before index.html
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darksat wrote:
You are probably right with the 301 redirect but I would redirect everything to the http://www.newista.com domain and set up your server so it looks for index.shtml before index.html

So you mean that only

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.newista\.com
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.newista.com/$1 [R=301,L] (the redicrect .htaccess comands for newista.com to the http://www.newista.com

will enough to solve this problem
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I dont think you are getting me
normally when you type in a domain like
http://www.yourdomain.com your webserver takes the appropriate file eg index.html, index.shtml index.php, index.asp, default.htm , etc and sends it to the browser.


so when someone types in http://www.newista.com
they should stay at http://www.newista.com
instead of seing http://www.newista.com/index.shtml
if you want the SHTML page to be the default you need to change the order of preference in the server settings to index.shtml before index.html

there is normally an order the server checks for like
index.html (1)
index.htm (2)
index.shtml (3)
index.php (4)
ETC
It will search for index.html first, then index.htm, then index.shtml, then index.php and so on.
You need to change the order so index.shtml comes before index.html in terms of preference.
then when you type
http://www.newista.com
they will be delivered the contents of the shtml page but still see only
http://www.newista.com in the address bar.

When that is done then you can 301 redirect http://www.newista.com/index.html and http://newista.com to http://www.newista.com
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darksat is right on target....I have been through this scenario a few times....I start a site with a default page of index.html and then realize that I want to use asp script in the index page...then the page becomes index.asp. By changing the preference on the server so that it looks for index.asp before index.html causes all the PR and backlinks to be associated with the new asp file. This only works if you don't have links pointing to the default page ie: http://www.mydomain.com/index.html

Use the full domain name only to link to the home page of your site ie: http://www.mydomain.com otherwise you will be splitting or diluting the PR of the domian enty page search engines will see http://www.domain.com and http://www.doman.com/index.shtml as different files....even though they are the same....you could also get caught in the dupe filter
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could anyone write here his .htaccess content please?

Ok Regard the last question above ;
i have configure those arrangements on apache as
<IfModule mod_dir.c>
DirectoryIndex index.shtml index.html index.wml index.cgi index.html index.jsp index.js index.jp index.php4 index.php3 indexn
dexfModule>

i think it is ok for the serverside without any problem too.

And those command on .htacccess
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.newista\.com
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.newista.com/$1 [R=301,L]
available the newista.com 301 rewrite to the http://www.newista.com . Now have to i add redirect 301 /index.html http://www.newista.com/ or doesnt needed becouse google now tought http://www.newista.com homepage first lookup index.shtml exisiting and it is ok ?

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