Will google follow forms

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Anyone aware of google following forms
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form name="form1" method="post" action="newpage.asp" onSubmit="return validate(this)"
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So far I am not seeing Google following forms.

At least the status pages following my forms are not being assigned page rank, and they do not show up in the site: query.

I am not sure this would benefit Google. Most forms would lead to shopping carts, email programs, or dynamic web pages.

These would not provide relevant results to search users.
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Same here...no PR and not in the index. I wonder if you were to use a "get" instead of "post" would that make a difference.
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Still comes down to the same problem ... What useful information can Google expect to find if it follows forms?
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"What useful information can Google expect to find if it follows forms?" ...I guess they will never know
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What can Google SUBMIT to forms? Nothing. I've never seen any evidence that it follows them. It would be pointless for it to do so.
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What if you created a link to a form handler using the get method and passed the arguments in the link...wouldn't google follow that....although I agree it would be usless for users...they would land on a page that had already been submitted....only benefit could be attaining PR and passing that back to other pages in the site.
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If you created a link with parameters, Google may follow it. It seems to ignore excessive parameters on a URL string, but one or two params it should follow.

The thing is though, even if you passed PR to a URL that accepted form submissions, Google wouldn't know where to send that PR back to.

A form is generally going to give different output depending on what you type into it. For example, take the "Search" form on php.net.

Let's say you're looking for the file_exists() function, but you're not exactly sure if the _ is in there, so you type "fileexists". The resulting page gives you 20 links, suggestions to what you may be looking for.

Then you want to look for a function for timestamping, so you type "timestamp", and click the same search button. There's 20 completely different links to 20 other pages.

How would Google know where to pass the PR to? It wouldn't, because there's no way for it to know what you're going to type into a form, or what results are going to come up.

Also, if you have a page that receives input from a regular form, even if Google can submit and see the resulting page, what URL does Google index and display in SERPS? it can't index one, because it has no way of letting you submit to that page see what Google saw from just a URL string.
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In most cases I have a default header and footer that print out when a form script is accessed without parameters. These would normally contain links back to the form and the home page.

So technically if the script is accessed directly, the page is the script and the output is an HTML page with two links. This could be indexed and page ranked... but never is. :)

Google does follow 'some' of my script links, so I usually play it safe for future developments.
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"How would Google know where to pass the PR to? It wouldn't, because there's no way for it to know what you're going to type into a form, or what results are going to come up."..but you're thinking of a form that returns links to other resources...what if the form returned items from the site it self...say like real estate listings or just a plain site search....google views this as just another dynamic url. Here's two examples of urls generated from a form:
Real Estate Seach: http://www.nathanbedard.com/listings/re ... on1=Search

Site Seach:
http://www.telluride.net/index.cfm?fuse ... seed=38169

Both have links to other internal pages and the second has links to external pages....the second one passes PR and gives backlink credit to the external pages.

You could build a page with pre-determined urls that access the form handler and return unique results.
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But if you pre-built URLs with all the GET information on them as parameters, that wouldn't be a form would it? :)
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I don't think we are talking about the form...right? We are discussing if the se's will follow a form...by passing the args to a form handler via the url would be the same as filling out the form and submitting.....of course the se's aren't gong to know what to choose in the form so the url is helping them out. As for the form itself they get crawled and receive PR and give backlink credit.
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A URL with pre-filled-in parameters is not a form. It's an anchor, same as a regular link. Surprisingly, Google can follow those. ;)

Google does not, and cannot, put text in an input, or a textarea, or select from a dropdown listbox, and submit a form. It will index the page that the form is on, if a URL links to it somewhere, but it will not follow the URL that the form posts to.
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I have to agree with Axe ...

The original question was:
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Anyone aware of google following forms
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form name="form1" method="post" action="newpage.asp" onSubmit="return validate(this)"


This would suggest a fill in form (complete with SUBMIT button). The answer should be that Google cannot follow SUBMIT buttons. :lol:
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yeah...I agree...but you can't blame me for tryin ;)

It's good to think...even if it's out loud
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What we have done is quite simple.
1. The Form is using post method but we created a file to transform the post to get, so we get something like this:
http://www.site.com/file.cgi?action=search&keyword=b2b
2. We created another page where we present a list of all or only popular searches. This way, the pages are indexed by google.

If you want even more, you can use mod rewrite to present the link as a directory structure like:
http://www.site.com/file.cgi/action/search/keyword/b2b

I am not allowed to use real links to my site, so the above links are just examples, they won't lead anywhere...
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It's good to think...even if it's out loud

:lol:
well atleast, everybodys on track now/

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