Do you 'title' your internal links?

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Hey all...

I notice than many site using the title tag in links. Does it help in something for google? Do I have to know anything before I am using them? things like what to be carful at, and how to use it smartly...

Does anyone has expirience with Title Tags?

Thanks in advance for any help...

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Title helps. Even if it does not help you it does not harm you. Title also gives the user a description of the link page. I suggest use it.
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title tags are used by all engines- they tell you what the page is about.

not much else to say really except search for the term "untitled page" and tell them this information.
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cdx ...

Your question is a little bit confusing. :?

It sounds like you want to use the same text as your title in the anchor text (link text) on other sites?

Or do you just want to know if you should use Title Tags?
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use them it will help you in yahoo, MSN and in other. Not as per current google trend. But Fill title as samll description rich with keywords not put like

<ttile>Web hosting, reseller web hosting, cheap web hosting</title>

in place of this use

<title>Cheap Reseller web hosting for your web hosting needs.</title>


otherwise you will loose in google. Study few results who is in top & why & put your out of them.
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rtchar wrote:
cdx ...

Your question is a little bit confusing. :?

It sounds like you want to use the same text as your title in the anchor text (link text) on other sites?

Or do you just want to know if you should use Title Tags?


Yep, you rigth. I always learn that my English not sounds so good like it sounds to me... ;)

I talked about title tags insite LINKS. as you move over link, you see sometimes a box with a text describing for you what you are going to see.

This is what I ment.... ;) Thanks for letting me know...
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ahh, you mean the description that appears sometimes when you hold your mouse over the link...

The title tag for links holds no weight in google or yahoo.... its more important to use good anchor text.
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OK. Now I got it!

Most people understand this is a worldwide forum ... I have to give you credit for trying. :D

You want to know about the TITLE object in the < IMG > or < A > link tag.

Most search engines will read this text and may even give it a little more weight than body text. It is good thing to use on your page.

The same SEO rules apply as for any other text on your page. No spamming, relevant text, use keywords ...
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rtchar wrote:

Most search engines will read this text and may even give it a little more weight than body text. It is good thing to use on your page.


Evidence of this? I've never seen any more weight given to this tag than body text.
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I use the title tag in some links, purely to help surfers, but have often wondered whether it aids or not ( I have assumed not )

How would one gather the evidence either way ?
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I have checked ALT object in Google cache, and they do appear on the text only screen. And searches for the ALT phrase also appear in search results. But only for link images.

I checked a few of the research pages that I follow and no one has tested it. Guess I am going to run an experiment to see if Google stores the text in TITLE objects for both linked and unlinked images and link tags.

Might take a few days until we see results .... I'll get back to you :)
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Thanks rtchar, it is an interesting consideration.

Its probably too easy to abuse and so is possibly left out. people don't see the tooltip unless they actually hover over it for a period, so its a hidden text problem. there may even be a way to disable 'tooltips' on the page in which case it is essentially cloaking.
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rtchar wrote:
I have checked ALT object in Google cache, and they do appear on the text only screen. And searches for the ALT phrase also appear in search results. But only for link images.

I checked a few of the research pages that I follow and no one has tested it. Guess I am going to run an experiment to see if Google stores the text in TITLE objects for both linked and unlinked images and link tags.

Might take a few days until we see results .... I'll get back to you :)


Yep, we are all waiting ... :D
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I have to announce sadly that Title for text link does not work.

Here is the test:

The term "flash web site design" apears as it is, in Quantumcloud home page once in a title tag.

Search in google:
site:www.quantumcloud.com "flash web site design"

Google lists 7 pages from the quantumcloud website, but none of them is the home page. Those are other pages containing the terms in the exact sequence and organically.

Same result with Yahoo and MSN.

Conclusion: Text link titles are ignored by major search engines.
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Exactly. I've never used them and have great serps. I don't think they will hurt you though.
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quantumcloud wrote:
I have to announce sadly that Title for text link does not work.

Here is the test:

The term "flash web site design" apears as it is, in Quantumcloud home page once in a title tag.

Search in google:
site:www.quantumcloud.com "flash web site design"

Google lists 7 pages from the quantumcloud website, but none of them is the home page. Those are other pages containing the terms in the exact sequence and organically.

Same result with Yahoo and MSN.

Conclusion: Text link titles are ignored by major search engines.


Good test :) These were the sort of tags i was talking about earlier - not ALT tags.
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These were the sort of tags i was talking about earlier - not ALT tags.

umm...I am not the one who expressed doubt that you were refering to any other kind of tag.
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These were the sort of tags i was talking about earlier - not ALT tags.

umm...I am not the one who expressed doubt that you were refering to any other kind of tag.


I know that - the bit to you was - "Good Test :)"

Doesnt matter anyway lol :P
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Ouch ... Jess :shock:

I was just referring to ALT tags since they also show up as tooltips. Wanted to make sure I covered all the bases, in case I misunderstood the original question. :)

I have also been able to test TEXT LINKS using the title object and found results similar to quantumcloud

TITLE text does not show up in SERPS and when looking at cached pages the text does not appear to be stored (unlike ALT tags). 8)
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Search in google:
site:www.quantumcloud.com "flash web site design"
Sorry QuantumCloud but thats not logical.
The title object in an Anchor tag does not refer to the page that it is on. its refering to the linked page.

So if a smart search engine such as google was to use it, they wouldnt return the page it was on but the page it was pointing to. The chances are they wouldnt index that phrase FOR THE PAGE ITS ON.
Therefore...
site:www.quantumcloud.com "flash web site design"
Would most probably produce a nil result

To test it you would most probably have to link to a page with a nonsensical phrase and see if the linked page turns up for that phrase.

Do you agree ?
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I can only see Google giving little importance to this. It can easily be abused. Anything that can be abused...keyword tag, alt tag...is given little importance. Same should be said about the link title tag.

Just my opinion.
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I find it strange that Google ignores this object ...

According to the Microsoft site ... it is a part of the standard and not just an MS feature.

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This property is defined in HTML 3.2 and is defined in World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Document Object Model (DOM) Level 1 .



Since it displays on a mouseover, should it be considered on page text?
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The title is part of the w3 spec, but think about what the title of a link does, what it means, it gives extra information about the target page, not the page it is on, so there is no reason why the title attribute should have any relevance to the page the link is on. I don't think it should be counted as body text, because that makes no sense.
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rtm223 wrote:
The title is part of the w3 spec, but think about what the title of a link does, what it means, it gives extra information about the target page, not the page it is on, so there is no reason why the title attribute should have any relevance to the page the link is on. I don't think it should be counted as body text, because that makes no sense.


That sounds good too. It's hard to guess which way google would go though. At any rate, I don't see any harm using it, as I mentioned in my first post. If anything comes out of it in terms of SEO that's a plus. If not, at least it is a helpful tool tip for the surfers.
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Well Google has crawled my test page and the results are not good...

I set up three different TITLE objects ...

<a TITLE="keytext">
<img TITLE="keytext">
<a ><img TITLE="keytext">

Looking at the cached text page ... Google does not store the title text.

Searching for the keytext also produces 0 results.

This is only a simple test from a single site (far from a representative sampling), but it looks like Google ignores this object.
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Before I say this I just want to state I'm new to search engine rankings so please don't smack me upside the head for this if I'm waay off. :P
What good would having somthing popup when you mouse over a link be ? Isn't that what the link text/imgAlt is for ?
Hopefully if your reading a paragraph you don't need a popup description of what the link is about, that would defeat the purpose of the paragraph wouldn't it ?
Maybe for menu links ? Then again; menu items should be pretty self explainatory, especially when you get into submenus.
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Sometimes you just have the link with a very small amount of linking text


By having a title object (as opposed to title tag) you can give more information to the surfer about the link, without it taking away from the page

for example if you have a link called "blue widgets" you can add text to the title object that explains what a widget is without the need to devote screen space to a description of widgets.

I am sure every one has a different use for them
take a look at the links on the bottom of this page
wouldn't it be better if hovering your mouse over them gave you MORE information?
for example whats a nexium ? I would have to follow the link to find out. (you may not have nexium on your page) with a title object a more complete description of what a nexium is could be given
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I had to do it. I followed the link to nexium
an online pharmacy. but it had one redeeming factor.

put your mouse over the links in the body text. they give a great example ot Title Object text :-)
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How would a link that needs an extra description make a page any more important is what I'm wondering I guess. Seems to me that if it is so out of place to need that it has to be either an advertisement or a disfunctional link :?
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Not all links on a page relate to the content of that page. eg: the advertising links on this page. therefore to me at least the title object is a useful tool.

The question is not whether the title object text increases the "importance" of the page that they are on, but whether they are used by search engines when determining what the page the link points to is about.

The current consensus is they add nil or close to nil to the linked page
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