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Post September 29th, 2004, 3:16 pm

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As for "buying links", I avoid it with a passion. The se's frown upon it and it is expensive!


And you don't link SE's frown on artificial reciprocal link exchanges?...and even the programs that offer exchange services?

Eventually, reciprocal link exchanges will be greatly devalued...
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Post September 29th, 2004, 9:17 pm

Ok so I am checking sites talking about one of my sites...and I came across this from a SE. I once came to this site when researching phpbb!

Cool. As I can see someone was chatting about linkitforward.com...
I also can see that I am going to get slammed hard for this being my first post.

So looks like I will contribute more, I belong to about 4 other forums of which I contribute most of my time.

Thanks for those of you that were promoting the site! Try not to do it as new members please, I don't want to get accused of SPAMMING Forums.

So I read All the posts and I am glad for the feedback. Looks like most are still on the fence or have never understood non-reciprocal linking.

Anyway the only comment I wanted to make was to the person that called 49.99 a rip-off. Please look before you leap. Site already has 100's of members and if you look on alexa it shows how fast it is growing.

Most of the sites are kept private. And if you compare getting a 1 way link to 49.99 I can see were you think you'll lose money! How about for 40+ 50+ 60+ links still not worth 50 bucks?

Average sites are getting 70-100 backlinks over 2-3 months all different sites and all 1 way, plus if you think about the amount of time it takes to get a backlink by writting emails and getting contact info, then waiting. Most of the time you only end up with a reciprocal link anyway.

I have been called by 3-4 SEO companies wanting to add 30-40 domains and wanting special pricing. So the potential for everyone to get backlinks is huge.

Look at it this way, all it really is doing is connecting webmasters to a central location to exchange links...and giving you a full service backlink software as well. The goal is to get everyone exchanging. It took months to develop and the nice part is I am adding stuff everyday.

I just found it strange that for all the admins that were beta testing they found it to be a great tool. Yet a lot of people just click on pricing see the cost and go bahh not free not for me. If that's your deal don't slam the concept or the site.

But thanks for checking it out. I will try and contribute my SEO and application development skill to this forum!

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Post September 29th, 2004, 10:01 pm

Welcome True Balthazar!

I don't think everyone was slamming the service you provide...I have never used it, anyway. I would rather have webmaster's go and search for links themselves before they decide to pay for a service. I believe the best way to get good links is to search out sites on your own, especially through DMOZ. What I have found from different link exchange services is that many times, all you get is spammy sites that have 30, 40, 50 backlinks to a page and are offtopic. This may not be true with your service though, it's just what I have seen with other link building services.

I have never had any problems going out searching and finding only quality links for my clients. But, if you need a lot of links, very quickly, a paid service can be your friend.
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Post September 29th, 2004, 10:45 pm

Well, I do find out link exchange without having reciprocal link requirement criteria, they allow 4-6 weeks to approve your links... My question here is that, the category page in which I submit link have no higher PR than homepage, does that category with no PR or lesser PR works better, or should I find category with higher PR ranks to benefir?

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Post September 30th, 2004, 7:17 am

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Post September 30th, 2004, 11:16 am

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As for "buying links", I avoid it with a passion. The se's frown upon it and it is expensive!


And you don't link SE's frown on artificial reciprocal link exchanges?...and even the programs that offer exchange services?

Eventually, reciprocal link exchanges will be greatly devalued...


Absolutely they do, that's why I took an interest in the "link it forward" approach... the back links you get are one way, on-topic, non-reciprocal links that you can choose to accept or not accept... and there is nothing artificial about it. The end result is exactly what you get if you take the time to search for good sites to approach about link exchange... except it saves a lot of time and the links are not reciprocal.

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with reciprocal links so long as they are done appropriately and are on topic. But I do think that contextual, one way links are better... even if only in the eyes of the spider in some cases.

As for your last comment.... I believe that reciprocal link exchanges are already being greatly devalued, or discounted all together if they are off topic or part of a link exchange "scheme", or part of an inappropriate neighborbood of crosslinked sites etc.

And Balthazar... I am a new member of OZZU as well, and I love the look and feel. Looking forward to contributing lots on seo side... only when I have the time though... lol

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Post September 30th, 2004, 11:43 am

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What I have found from different link exchange services is that many times, all you get is spammy sites that have 30, 40, 50 backlinks to a page and are offtopic.


It appears the http://www.linkitforward.com service is, at the very least, an innovative alternative to the situation in which you refer. I am expecting to get good quality, on topic backlinks from the service, if for no other reason than because I have seen many of the sites and pages that have been offered up. For example, we've put a number of quality site into the system to date, and so far only offered up our index pages for links... and believe me our index pages have a hell of lot more links coming in than going out.

Point being, we have a plethora of good conent pages on a lot of different themes, all with relatively few out going links, that we will be adding into the "link it forward" system over time... and we are just one member. I personally know of several webmasters that have lots to offer as well, that are in process or seriously considering joining the "link it forward" service.

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I have never had any problems going out searching and finding only quality links for my clients. But, if you need a lot of links, very quickly, a paid service can be your friend.


Hey man, it's always been the best way and probably always will be... but it takes a lot of time away from the other aspects of production.

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it... lol

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Post September 30th, 2004, 11:55 am

Like I said, I have never used your service. I am just stating my opinion on many of the free link exchange services out there.

Good responses though.
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Post September 30th, 2004, 12:05 pm

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Look at it this way, all it really is doing is connecting webmasters to a central location to exchange links...and giving you a full service backlink software as well. The goal is to get everyone exchanging. It took months to develop and the nice part is I am adding stuff everyday.


Just want to add that, one of my colleagues was concerned about the search engines "perception" of the "link it forward" service. She was afraid we would get banned for being a participant if Google or the likes interpreted it as a "linking scheme". Well, "link it forward" ain't no sheme...

I read this on another post.... Scheme... "a statement that evades the question by cleverness or trickery".... like I said, no scheme with "link it forward". It looks like an excellent service, run by people with integrity.

I don't see how Google or any other search engine could interpret "link it forward" as anything more than it is... a way of connecting webmasters to a central location to exchange links in the most appropriate way.

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Post October 10th, 2004, 7:10 pm

I would like to make something clear about link exchanges and link farms.
Reciprocal link directorys or directory should be layed out like a search engine. Having the top listings in google for this.. I know exactly what I am talking about for who every is trying to open their lips. Secondly, a link farm is a site that has links all over it, unrelavant content and very unorganized.
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Post October 19th, 2004, 12:24 pm

Came back to this post to let you know that because of some start up clitch's, the http://www.linkitforward.com thing is being offered for free, just for the time being i suppose... we have already recieved a refund even though the system has been working for us... but i guess it has been slow "out of the gate" for some, so apparently the change in policy.

Link it Forward has nothing to do with reciprocol links, link farms, ffa's or links from irrelevant sites... quite the contrary. I like the concept and still think it is going to work. In fact i hope to see more services like this coming available...

I just think they're having more code issues more than anything else, nothing that i am sure they'll sort out in time.... and in the mean time its free. And free is always good!

At least no one can accuse them of not trying to make their clients happy!

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Post October 19th, 2004, 12:29 pm

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I would like to make something clear about link exchanges and link farms.
Reciprocal link directorys or directory should be layed out like a search engine. Having the top listings in google for this.. I know exactly what I am talking about for who every is trying to open their lips. Secondly, a link farm is a site that has links all over it, unrelavant content and very unorganized.


I understand about how to lay out your "links" page like a directory... c/w properly optimized anchor text, descriptions and title attribute. I also like to include contextual links to othe related page with description, keep thins properly catagorized with each catagory on a page of its own for proper relevance and off-page optimization for the targets.

What i am not quite sure about is what you mean specifically when you refer to "having the top listings in google for this..."

Can you clarify Please???

Thank You in advance...

Nanoreef has once again left the building!

PS... Excuse me if it should obvious to me... lol

After all it is morning in my neck of the woods.... :shock:
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Post October 19th, 2004, 12:32 pm

Ok, never mind... obviously i can't read first thing in the morning!

Thanks anyway... lol :oops:

Post October 20th, 2004, 11:55 am

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Came back to this post to let you know that because of some start up clitch's, the http://www.linkitforward.com thing is being offered for free


doesn't look like it to me. :roll:

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