How often is too often to re-submit a url I want spidered?

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Howdy All,
I submitted on 2/21 and again today. since I've made changes to be more search engine friendly. whats the frequency that will be considered spamming?
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Submitted to whom? Google?

I've never submitted a URL to Google, and my sites always end up in there...

The best way to make sure you get listed, is to have sites that Google already knows about linking to you.
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I used a submission service and submitted to their list of sites, which includes google, inktomi, and yahoo. and waited a week before resubmitting.
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google has my site, and also a site Im on that links to mine. and vice versa.
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If Google already knows about your site, then there's no need to submit it. Submitting a site won't update an existing site, it's simply for adding new sites to the queue.

If Google already knows your site exists, you'll probably be getting spidered at least once a month. How often do your pages change/get updated?

Google has learned that the main page on 2 of my sites are updated pretty much on a daily basis, so it updates them every couple of days or so. How often it updates really depends on how often your pages change. Google learns to adapt to update certain sites more often.
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Thats where Id like to reach, having google update every few days. at present, its been a week since it originally picked up my url. and Ive added better keywords, title and description meta tags, as well as moved to a completely different look to the site.
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For Google to update you every few days, you'll need to be modifying your page every day or two - posting news, etc.

If your page rarely changes, then Google will rarely update.
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lol. well, then it shouldnt be a problem. the more I read and find out about getting results on google the more Im updating. like 2 or 3 times a day Id say. so it should have detected my changes by now I would think.
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Well, it can still take a while for it to realise you are updating that often - especially if you've only recently started doing it.

One of my sites (Reptile Rooms), is different every time you load the page - whether it's the list of the most recent forum posts, or the random image displayed from the gallery, there's a certain % of content that changes, but it took Google a while to realise that it was being updated that often. It did take a few months before it realised that it was being updated regularly.
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crap. thats not good news. I have another domain name waiting to be hosted and soforth. this is quite a learning experience and i know what to do differently in the beginning now. I appreciate all your help.
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Well, when it detects a new site that it's never seen before, it seems to check it every few days - at least to make sure it exists, even if not to update its index... So if you're making a new domain name that's updated regularly, Google should pick up on that fairly quickly.

If it's a pre-existing domain name that's been static & stagnant for a year, it can take a while for it to learn to change its habits when scanning the site.
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is there a reliable way to check what the status is once youve submitted your site? say to yahoo or inktomi. other than just the standard. "your page has been submitted" message?
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Not really, at least not that I know of.
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Well, thats okay. Ive learned a lot this past week or so. my main concern was not over submitting and getting myself locked out.
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Once you've submitted once, don't worry about it... Like I said, I've never submitted my sites, and I still don't worry about it, hehe. They'll find you eventually.
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eventually isnt a good thing though. I'm pushing it to get a business going, and the standard advertising methods just dont produce that well around here.
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If you need to get your site spidered quickly, make sure to get links from as many places as possible. Axe may have said this, but I was only skimming. :wink:

You need to get your site into directories such as DMOZ, Joeant, Websavvy, Gimpsy, and others. These will help get your site spidered quickly. I have found that once I get into DMOZ, I am spidered very soon afterwards.

Also, if you need to get in quick, buy a url subscription to inktomi, you will be in MSN within a few days. Get a directory listing in Yahoo, it will get you in there directory within a few days and help you get into Yahoo search.

Other smaller engines such as Altavista and all-the-web now have free submission (takes up to 6 months) or you can pay for inclusion there also.

And about getting your site spidered often. Axe was right when he said have changing content. Make sure your site is always updated. But it also helps to have a high Pagerank. I am one site that is updates probably once a month, but gets spidered every few days because it has a Pagerank of 6.

Hope all this helps. Just my opinion.
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Eventually is your only option. Eventually might be 2 days, eventually might be a month. I don't own Google, this isn't my choice :)

Like vetofunk says, make sure you get links from as many places as possible. The more people link to you, the more popular you look, and the sooner Google may get you up there.

If that's not soon enough, as it's a business, you might be better paying for some actual ads on Google, while you wait for the listings to catch up.
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Axe brings up a great point. Every client I have, I always start out with pay-per-click advertising because I have them online immediately. You can be listed on Google in less than 15min using Google Adwords.
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Thanks much.your opinions are greatly appreciated. I am running google adwords presently, also I paid for most of the smaller engine submissions through go-daddy when I registered the domain. Google has me now, but they spidered it before I had the site meta tagged and soforth like it is now. I want them to re-spider it and get the updated stuff. I also went ahead and paid for the yearly inclusion into jeeves. Ive got two good link exchanges going right now.so all I can do is sit and wait. meanwhile I am advertising in print through a few newspapers to hit the crowd with no computer at all.
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Remember directories! Also, take a look at the thread I started on the big changes in Yahoo and Overture.
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I read it :wink:
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vetofunk wrote:
If you need to get your site spidered quickly, make sure to get links from as many places as possible. Axe may have said this, but I was only skimming. :wink:

You need to get your site into directories such as DMOZ, Joeant, Websavvy, Gimpsy, and others. These will help get your site spidered quickly. I have found that once I get into DMOZ, I am spidered very soon afterwards.

Also, if you need to get in quick, buy a url subscription to inktomi, you will be in MSN within a few days. Get a directory listing in Yahoo, it will get you in there directory within a few days and help you get into Yahoo search.

Other smaller engines such as Altavista and all-the-web now have free submission (takes up to 6 months) or you can pay for inclusion there also.

And about getting your site spidered often. Axe was right when he said have changing content. Make sure your site is always updated. But it also helps to have a high Pagerank. I am one site that is updates probably once a month, but gets spidered every few days because it has a Pagerank of 6.

Hope all this helps. Just my opinion.


there is a large list of places to get listed right here: http://enginemage.com

That alone can get you hundreds of links that get spidered daily.
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Great Find!
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Thanks much. all the advice and knowledge is greatly appreciated. I need to go ahead and hire one of you guys to handle all this for me. :D
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vetofunk wrote:
Great Find!


You mean "thanks for building it", I think :P
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Ahhhh...nice, yeah I started my own which I now have about 100 directories/sites, but there are quite a few I have not seen, which are on yours.

Good Jerb!
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Hey, how come when I do the popularity checker on my domain, Google comes back as being "0" - in fact, they all do except for AllTheWeb, which shows me as "1"

AllTheWeb shows 3,401 results linking to my site's homepage..

Yahoo (which shows as '0') shows 29,900 pages linking to my site's homepage.

So, how is this popularity rated? I would assume that a search engine having 29,900 links to my homepage would have a higher "popularity" rating than a search engine that shows 3,401 links to my homepage.

Google's PR (via google toolbar) shows me 6/10 on the same URL.
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What tool are you using for this?
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The lilpop checker on nuclei's site

http://enginemage.com/linkpop.html
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The lilpop checker on nuclei's site

http://enginemage.com/linkpop.html


first off that checker has not been updated in 6 months, and probably needs it in a bad way.

secondly google only shows PR4+ links publicly in their link: search, so they will always show less.
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Ohhhhh...yeah, he'll have to answer that one.
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nuclei wrote:
Axe wrote:
secondly google only shows PR4+ links publicly in their link: search, so they will always show less.


Yeah, but when I go to Google, it shows about 500 links to my page (so all of those pages are gonna be PR4+)...

If it's not been updated in 6 months, then it's understandable. 6 months ago, Google wasn't my best friend, lol.
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when you do the "link:" command it will show you all site that link to you. When you use the backlink tool in the Google toolbar, you will only see sites that have at least a PR of 4 linking to you.

Is this what your asking?
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No no, I was asking why Nuclei's tool didn't seem to reflect what search engines thought of me...

In his popularity checker...

AllTheWeb : Pop Rank 1 : 4,301 backlinks listed on their site
Yahoo : Pop Rank 0 : 29,900 backlinks listed on their site

I was wondering why Yahoo showed me as having 29,900 backlinks, yet his popularity checker shows me having 0 popularity there (lower rating than another search engine that only has 4,301 links back to me). Then when he said he hasn't updated it in 6 months, it made sense.

6 Months ago, search engines didn't know much about my site :)
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vetofunk wrote:
when you do the "link:" command it will show you all site that link to you. When you use the backlink tool in the Google toolbar, you will only see sites that have at least a PR of 4 linking to you.

Is this what your asking?


I was not asking anything. I stated that using the link: search the results shown are ONLY the sites with PR4 or better. Period. Google does not publicly show any sites under PR4 in the link: search.
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you lost me :shock: I think it sucks you pay money to expedite to the search engines, and then they take their sweet time anyway. They certainly charged it to my visa fast enough :evil:
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Nuclei,

That was a question to Axe.

jfvb1225,
Usually when you do pay to get into a search engine, they get your site in their index in less than a week. Which engine are you talking about that is taking a while?
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Ask Jeeves / Teoma. $30 paid on 2/27.

Plus I paid for go-daddy to do the submission through several different sites and the results have been marginal.
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As long as your in the engine. You will not get very good results from those engines has they do not get very much traffic. I track all my incoming traffic and I get very little from each of those.
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Im only showing up in google, and not very well. Thats my fault for submitting the page before I knew enough to have the title, keyword, and description tags the way they should be. It would be nice if you could get the engines to re-look at your site when you want them to. Ive got ad-word running on google as well, and have seen no calls or emails from it. So Im sending money to newspapers at the moment for advertising space, which I intended to do anyway to reach potential customers with no computer or no internet access. I guess some people do still read the paper to find out the news. :wink: Theres not a lot of competition here in Youngstown for computer services. So Im really only competing with a few other businesses. It appears to me that people who operate the search engines work just like the government, theyll take your cash faster than lightning, but provide the service you paid for at a snails pace. :lol:

*edited 3/20 to take out the x-tra periods I have a bad habit of using. :oops: *
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You know Google Adwords has a regional targeting service. All you have to do is set it up for your area and your ads will only show up there.

I have had a little success with it. The nice thing is that you save money because you wont have people on the other side of the country clicking on your ads.

Google also has a free tracking service. I do not use because we have inhouse software. This could help you with why you are not seeing any leads from your ads.

Also, Webtrends is a good product to find out if there is a specifc term people are using to find you or if there is a certain page people are leaving, then you can fix that page to better suit your visitors.
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If you want to keep tracking of your ranking for different keywords, http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/ has a great free Google tracking report.

This way you can see where your positioning is and how often it increases or decreases.
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I'll try that, thanks. Ive got my google adword setup down to about 10 keywords that have been running strong for days. And I do have it set up regionally for my area. Some good tracking data does seem like the logical place for answers. Thanks for the links.

edited 3/20 to take out the x-tra periods I have a bad habit of using. :oops:
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Does it ever end? Now I found another submission site for Aeiwi. And this one wants all keywords seperated by a comma or it wont accept the url. :shock: it would be nice if there was some kind of standards.

*edited 3/20 to take out x-tra periods I have a bad habit of typing. :oops:
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Personally, I don't feel that any search engine that can't find you all by itself is worth submitting to. I've not submitted a site to search engines in about 5 years.

Paying for ads is a lil different, but just for regular listings, nah.
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I believe you. Im not paying for another one. enginemage.com has shown me a few things about what my competitor who has himself listed so well is doing. hes got tons of other sites linking back to him. so Im working on that.
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Are you talking about http://aeiwi.com/. I wouldnt even worry about that site, I have never heard of it, plus it doesnt even have any PR.
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Yep thats the one. got onto jayde too. Hey things are looking up today, google revisited my site and got my new keywords. so now Im cruising up where I want to be for my search terms. I just need to put some effort into refining the keywords.
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Does the way you position the keywords in the meta tag make a difference? ie. should I put repair, sales, service together or could they be anywhere in the list? Also, is it necessary to seperate each keyword with commas?
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I dont believe this, somehow between this morning and now, the cache of my website on google has reverted back to what it originally was. Within 12 hours I went from where I wanted to be right back to where I started. This sucks. :evil:
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Do you have a DMOZ listing yet? That is very important. If you have submitted it to a cateogry in the past, you can check its status at resource-zone.com
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I submitted to it, I had read in some other post that you are an editor there and was going to ask you about checking the status on that.

Whoa, I checked it out. Theres like 227 pages of other posts wanting to know the same thing about their sites. I dont want to bother anyone.

What I did was find where my closest competition is listed in there, and submitted my url to the same directory.

(I know its been over a week ago I did that, so after writing this, I submitted it again).
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You can ask the progress of your submission, that is what it is there for and they usually find out by the next day. Just make sure you read the guideleines or they will not answer your question.

But remember, you should have submitted it over a month ago before you start asking.
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Thanks, I give up on it. Sooner or later the search engines will have my updated site cached, Im not paying any of them anymore as it doesnt seem to make a difference. Ive run my site through meta tag checking sites, poodle predictor, linked and gotten back links every where I can think of that might be a good source of relevant content. Last night I went ahead and hosted the other domain name I bought, so now Im going to work on getting a good CSS style sheet site going there. I like using frontpage, which was what made my current site, but Im disappointed that it doesnt even mention to you the importance of meta tags content when youre starting from a template. Ive got dreamweaver, but its not as easy to use as frontpage.
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About the cache, I just saw that one my sites also reverted back to past cache and lost alot of its rankings. I am guessing this is only temporary.

As far as meta tags, they are very easy to create, you should have no prob doing them.
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Oh Ive got it pretty much down to a science now, meta tags that is.
Im salty about google reverting my cache, but theres nothing I can do but wait too.
Meanwhile, on a good note, someone in another post informed me earlier that my site has made the dmoz directory. :D
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Axe wrote:
One of my sites (Reptile Rooms), is different every time you load the page - whether it's the list of the most recent forum posts, or the random image displayed from the gallery, there's a certain % of content that changes, but it took Google a while to realise that it was being updated that often.


I have a web site that links to a forum. How would I get the most recent forum posts to appear on my homepage? Your site looks cool and I like the way elements of it appear very current.

I would like to emulate this but would like the content to self update rather than having to post manually every day.

many thanks

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