Paid Submission

  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Would it be better to do a paid submission to say MSN? If I did, do other search engines (google, alta etc) find it and add it in there search listings?


Swan
  • Anonymous
  • Bot
  • No Avatar
  • Posts: ?
  • Loc: Ozzuland
  • Status: Online

Post 3+ Months Ago

  • GSlinger
  • Proficient
  • Proficient
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 384
  • Loc: Ohio

Post 3+ Months Ago

dont pay for it. eventually you will get crawled by google. now if u are a small business that has bad advertising, u might think about it. but i dont recommend it. hello!! MSN... Microsoft..... they just want your money!!
  • Jess
  • Guru
  • Guru
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 1153
  • Loc: USA

Post 3+ Months Ago

GSlinger wrote:
hello!! MSN... Microsoft..... they just want your money!!


I think that is the aim of any business...
  • GSlinger
  • Proficient
  • Proficient
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 384
  • Loc: Ohio

Post 3+ Months Ago

what i am saying is that google provides a service and doesnt charge. MSN charges. and i think microsoft took the money grubbing thing waaaayyyyy toooooo far. MSN is no better than google (in most eyes) and google is free. so why does MSN charge?? because the money they get from advertising is not enough to satisfy Mr. Gates' greed.
  • fourthring
  • Graduate
  • Graduate
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 152
  • Loc: San Diego / Beijing

Post 3+ Months Ago

If you are a brand new company with a brand new domain name and desperately need traffic I would go for PPC before paid inclusion. You'll have more control over the results. Otherwise I would just submit your site to msn for free: http://beta.search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx?
Google, and yahoo and wait.

Sitematch paid inclusion and msn paid inclusion is really effective if you have a very dynamic site that can't be crawled effectively (in which case you better spend your time redesigning your site).
  • Jess
  • Guru
  • Guru
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 1153
  • Loc: USA

Post 3+ Months Ago

GSlinger wrote:
what i am saying is that google provides a service and doesnt charge. MSN charges. and i think microsoft took the money grubbing thing waaaayyyyy toooooo far. MSN is no better than google (in most eyes) and google is free. so why does MSN charge?? because the money they get from advertising is not enough to satisfy Mr. Gates' greed.


Msn are operating a completely different business model to Google. Their objectives are far from the same as is their target audience.
  • GSlinger
  • Proficient
  • Proficient
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 384
  • Loc: Ohio

Post 3+ Months Ago

indeed. but who started the MSN vs Google thread are comparing apples to oranges then. but they are attacking each other so they must be on the same page then.
both put their money in their search engine. maybe not all of it, but alot. MSN has news, google has news, MSN has mail, google is starting mail.... see my point.
i agree they GET their money different. but MSN gets alot more and still charges more. money grubbers. Bill Gates makes millions a day and still wants more. thats why i would never pay MSN for something i could get for free.
  • Jess
  • Guru
  • Guru
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 1153
  • Loc: USA

Post 3+ Months Ago

GSlinger wrote:
indeed. but who started the MSN vs Google thread are comparing apples to oranges then. but they are attacking each other so they must be on the same page then.
both put their money in their search engine. maybe not all of it, but alot. MSN has news, google has news, MSN has mail, google is starting mail.... see my point.
i agree they GET their money different. but MSN gets alot more and still charges more. money grubbers. Bill Gates makes millions a day and still wants more. thats why i would never pay MSN for something i could get for free.


I understand where your coming from :)
Your looking at it from a basic point of view though. Google's objective is search. Thats it, nothing more, nothing less. Free email has been around for ages, Google took the idea and added search facilities to it. News features are on thousands of sites, Google took the idea and added search to it (you could go on). Everything Google does is about improving and implementing their search algorithm.

Msn is a portal. Microsoft (as you seem to be comparing the company on the whole here) are a huge multi billion dollar software company. So now if we take the software company out of it, your left with MSN portal and Google.

Who makes the most money? You mention that Msn and Google get their money from different methods - however if you think about it they don't. Msn make their money from advertising other peoples sites. Google make their money from advertising other peoples sites. It's just their methods are different.

See msn and microsoft are different entities of a business model. What you are saying is kind of like you wouldn't buy a plane ticket from virgin airways because they make too much money from their mobile phone network or from their music stores.......

Directories are one of the greatest source of links for a webmaster. Why pay to get into a paid directory if there are so many free ones around? Because like everything, a project with a secure source of funding behind it is going to succeed on levels that could never be reached by others. In other words - your going to get much more for your money.
  • GSlinger
  • Proficient
  • Proficient
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 384
  • Loc: Ohio

Post 3+ Months Ago

Quote:
See msn and microsoft are different entities of a business model. What you are saying is kind of like you wouldn't buy a plane ticket from virgin airways because they make too much money from their mobile phone network or from their music stores.......

no no no. i dont like microsoft. they are dirty businessmen. i know other companies are dirty too and that hole barrel of monkeys. face it. when a software company employs more lawyers then programmers thats not a good sign.
Google makes their money completely from business's advertising their site. MSN makes their money from business sites advertising, advertisement banners, and from the ppl who want a decent standing.
  • Jess
  • Guru
  • Guru
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 1153
  • Loc: USA

Post 3+ Months Ago

Quote:
Google makes their money completely from business's advertising their site. MSN makes their money from business sites advertising, advertisement banners, and from the ppl who want a decent standing.


That's all advertising lol. Google also make their money from licensing their search technologies out to businesses.

I think we can just put yr answers down to the fact that you just don't like microsoft :)
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

I think at some point they will all charge us money.

My situation is, I don't have allot of time, and need to see a little results to know how much money I am going to have to make in the real world.

I am steping out of one line of work, because I hate it, and want this side business to supplement my income in a lesser paying job.

I do not know how crawler friendly my site is, frankly. I know that if it ends up in an engine it's obviously ok and will let it ride from there.

If I was to pay to get on an engine then at least I can get some sort of projection of what will occur.

If I pay $50.00 to a engine (ask jeeves or the like) and get on, will the other engines find it faster? Do they cross crawl one another?



Swan
  • madmonk
  • Mastermind
  • Mastermind
  • madmonk
  • Posts: 2115
  • Loc: australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

I dont think they will cross crawl one another.

if you are stepping out of your line of work, just go for site advertisements in high traffic sites. You dont need to optimise or pay for inclusion. Just keep up the monthly payments and count your ROI right. that should work out well. :-)
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Hello again MM!

How does one find sites to advertise on? I sell Crosses, Boxes and Wall Shelves. Do I just email a popular Christian site and see what they say or is there a specific Ad program they would have on-line that I seek out?

Do I have to do the layout for the ad?


Thanks again Madmonk!!

Swan
  • vetofunk
  • A SEO GUY
  • Mastermind
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 2245
  • Loc: Chicago

Post 3+ Months Ago

There is no need to do pay for inclusion unless you have hundreds, if not thousands of products. Pay for Inclusion will guarantee that all your pages are spidered. MSN does not even offer that anymore, only Yahoo. If you have a decent sized site, just wait to get spidered for free.

As for pay per click, if you need money quickly, then its the way to go. It will take awhile to get positioned well in search engines, so ppc is a quick solution for sales, but even ppc selling is a science.

If your looking for better ROI, I would try 2nd tier ppc engines such as Looksmart, Enhance, Kanoodle, Search123, GoClick...and so on.

Froogle is a great place to submit your product to for free. Froogle is Google's product feed. It won't bring in a ton of traffic, but it's free and you might get a sale or two, depending on the amount of products you have.

With affiliate marketing, selling your products on related sites, you can look at companies such as commission junction or others, though they can be expensive. Otherwise, just contact related sites, make them an offer for a percentage of sales and see if they will take it.
  • vetofunk
  • A SEO GUY
  • Mastermind
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 2245
  • Loc: Chicago

Post 3+ Months Ago

Do rank well in Google quickly, a big push can be made from getting listed in DMOZ. Submit your site free to DMOZ and pray you have a active editor for your category.
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

vetofunk wrote:

Otherwise, just contact related sites, make them an offer for a percentage of sales and see if they will take it.



Thats a great idea Veto! Thanks. Ya, I don't want to pay for inclusion, I basiclly have 3 months to see what this is going to do- it is a small selective group I have to offer to also. I am just wanting a few extra hundred a month so I can get out of printing and work a mindless job and enjoy my family without working the overtime. I certainly don't think I could do it for a living or anything, I've been in printing for 17 years an my back has just about had it.


Thanks Veto!

Swan
  • vetofunk
  • A SEO GUY
  • Mastermind
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 2245
  • Loc: Chicago

Post 3+ Months Ago

I have a client that is in printing and since we took over he has been working alot. I can see why you would be tired of the printing business, lots of overtime work.
  • madmonk
  • Mastermind
  • Mastermind
  • madmonk
  • Posts: 2115
  • Loc: australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

hello SWan!!

Quote:
How does one find sites to advertise on? I sell Crosses, Boxes and Wall Shelves. Do I just email a popular Christian site and see what they say or is there a specific Ad program they would have on-line that I seek out?


I reckon the best way to go about selling your products is setting up online affliates. Thats is if you able to do your products at good prices to them. Give them good cuts or something. Make them want to sell.

they are also lot of christian search engines like crossdaily.com, crosssearch.com I think. PPlan Well and TRy to Hook Up Something with them.

If you set up online affliates well, they are steady source of income.
  • DR01D
  • Expert
  • Expert
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 661
  • Loc: Australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

id look at optimising your code too. lots of useless style tags. Try hook up with some other businesses that offer a similar product/service, churches etc. and also explore methods of offline marketing like papers, mags, signage flyers etc.
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Code? please explain. I do not know what allot of the "lingo" is.



Thanks, Swan
  • DR01D
  • Expert
  • Expert
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 661
  • Loc: Australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

im not a coding expert but from what i know cleaner code should help in your page ranking too.

1 thing you can do is to make your stylesheet (.css file) external. this has all the definitions that style your content and layout. currently it is built into the page.

example:

Code: [ Select ]
        <div style="position: absolute; top: 293px; left: 237px; width: 465px; height: 658px; z-index: 4;" id="element73"><div align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">Welcome to High Peak Cross Company!<br></font></div><div align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300"><br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">    We design, make, and sell quality handmade traditional Christian wood crosses. We also make decorative wall shelves and specialty hardwood boxes for gifts and many uses. <br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300"><br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">Our wall crosses, wall shelves, and boxes are made from solid common and exotic woods. You may make your purchases from our list of current available products or special order a custom cross, box, or wall shelf with the wood, stain, and finish of your choice.<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300"><br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">  Our entire product line of wooden crosses, boxes, and wall shelves are sanded smooth, stained, sealed, and coated with satin polyurethane for durability and lasting protection. Wall crosses are 3/4 of an inch thick and have a keyhole in the back for easy hanging. All prices include shipping charges, with the exception of  wall shelves and large crosses over 32 inches.<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300"><br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">  We carry a &quot;no questions asked&quot; 30 day guarantee.  If<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with your cross, box, or wall shelves, simply return them to us and we will<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">give you a full refund (minus any shipping and<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">handling charges).<br></font></div><div align="left"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300"><br></font></div><div align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">Thank you for visiting High Peak Cross Company.<br></font></div><div align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman16" color="#663300">We welcome your input and suggestions.<br></font></div><div align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" class="TimesRoman14" color="#663300"><br></font></div></div>


all the repetition of the times new roman class can be made once using css properly. there are alot of css tutorials around here on ozzu just have a quick search and you should find some useful links.

and theres some javascript in the source code that looks like it doesnt really need to be there.

Just looking at the title it looks a bit spammy, you could probably change it to something more like " High Peak Cross Company specialising in wooden crosses, wall shelves blah blah" you get the idea ;-)
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Gee, I wish I knew what all that stuff even was! I would fix what ever I could, if I could, but I am a retard when it comes to this stuff.

I am using a "site builder" by "homestead". It is all drag and drop garbage. I called them to have them check it out, and they said, "it's ok".

How does all that "times new roman get there?
What is css?

Swan
  • madmonk
  • Mastermind
  • Mastermind
  • madmonk
  • Posts: 2115
  • Loc: australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

css is cascading style sheets. It helps in defining your fonts, colours, etc in web site. try googling.

you will get lots of resources for this.
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Will do, thanks.


Swan
  • madmonk
  • Mastermind
  • Mastermind
  • madmonk
  • Posts: 2115
  • Loc: australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

I am not good at web design. Try this great resource, it will help heaps.
gd luck.


http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Thanks!

Swan
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Well, after reading a bit, I don't know if I have control over such stuf. The "site Builder that I use from Homestead doesn't let you insert tags and what not into the actuall make up of the page, it's all "drag and drop" if you will. I think I am going to call them and find out what I can do.


Swan
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Well, I just got off the phone with Homestead, they said,

"well, everything in the "site builder program" is all pre-done if you will, you can build your own pages and up load them to us if you wish but there is nothing you or I can do about adding specific "tags" or css to your specific site". "Everyrhing should be fine".


Comforting words huh?


I think if I make any money off my site I will have a prefessional build my site and start over.


Swan
  • DR01D
  • Expert
  • Expert
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 661
  • Loc: Australia

Post 3+ Months Ago

lol... ive never used this "site builder" but all site building programs usually produce very inefficient code. of course "everything should be fine" in the realms of what their software can do. Theres so much that could be done to get this page more search engine friendly but i doubt it can be done with this site builder.
  • Swan
  • Student
  • Student
  • User avatar
  • Posts: 96
  • Loc: Idaho

Post 3+ Months Ago

Ya, it's pretty upsetting! But what do you do when:

You don't want to spend years in school to learn it.

And you can't afford to pay a pro to do it, aside from having to pay the dude everytime you want to add a picture.


You get stuck with this! :oops: Don't laugh, it's paid for.



Swan
  • Anonymous
  • Bot
  • No Avatar
  • Posts: ?
  • Loc: Ozzuland
  • Status: Online

Post 3+ Months Ago

Post Information

  • Total Posts in this topic: 43 posts
  • Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests
  • You cannot post new topics in this forum
  • You cannot reply to topics in this forum
  • You cannot edit your posts in this forum
  • You cannot delete your posts in this forum
  • You cannot post attachments in this forum
 
 

© 1998-2014. Ozzu® is a registered trademark of Unmelted, LLC.