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I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

I have got about 15.

I also have more then 1 word
Example -

wedding designs, wedding web site,


is that right or should it be -

wedding, designs, web, site

Thanks

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I'll let others say for certain but 15 sounds a lot. Find out which ones are being searched for the most.

You could try different keywords for different pages maybe? Main ones on your front page and different oned on deeper pages. Keep the same core ones though.
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Good morning rtm, what you mean have different meta tags for each page or just keywords contained in the body. Also what would happen if i added keywords in white on a white background so thay could not be seen.

Would this be a good idea or not?
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I have heard both yay and nay on that one. Not a Good Idea i think. As I said I will let others fill you in with better advice - might be worth copying and pasting you keyword tag for them to see. It could be you can combine or something
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I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

Major search engines (Google, Yahoo etc.) don't count meta keywords in page's ranking.
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Also what would happen if i added keywords in white on a white background so thay could not be seen.

It is search engine spamming on of the most probable ways you site being banned. So, it is better to use "white" optimization technics instead of "black" one ;)
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I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

Major search engines (Google, Yahoo etc.) don't count meta keywords in page's ranking.
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Inktomi does. And it doesn't do you any harm to include them. It also helps as a quick reminder to what words you should be trying to weave into the body of the text.

Good point though lol. Lets try a new answer:

Identify the words you want to use, based on how often they are searched for.

Make a keywords meta tag for the reasons above.

Make a description meta tag. This should sound like a "natural" human description, but include as much of you keywords as possible and as few words like "and", "of" ect as possible.

Then weave these words into the body of the text. Inside the main text all spread out.

The white text will not show up to google as white and hidden, but it will show up as "keyword keyword keyword keyphrase..." which it does pick up on.

You will probably find that some of your keywords are not searched for very often, so you can scrap them
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these is what my meta tag looks like

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<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<META NAME="Author" CONTENT="Tony Attrill">
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="NetObjects Fusion 7 for Windows">
<META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="wedding designs, wedding site, wedding web site, elgant wedding site, cheap wedding site, unique wedding, special, custom wedding web site, site, design, wedding web site design, personal wedding site, uk wedding web site, uk wedding web page, ">
<META NAME="Wedding Design" CONTENT="We specialise in making beautiful wedding web sites for your big day. All our templates are of the best quality and are at affordable prices. If you dont like any of our templates then we can make you a custom design.">


My address for my site is http://www.members.aol.com/weddingdesig I have tried to introduce the keywords into my site, also changed the title.

I have looked at competitors and done "link: http://www.urlofcompetitor.com and have bookmarked all the sites that have linked to them. And will ask them for a link exchange when i get my new domain name (i registered lastnite with ukhost4u)

oh and i looked at that site that tells you popular search terms, that is where i got a lot of my keywords from in my meta tags.
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Tone relax man you only need to use words that are used on your page or <header> tag cos having any other word is pointless even for Inktomi.

ERROR IMO:

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<META NAME="Wedding Design" CONTENT="We specialise...


should be...

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>YOUR WEBSITE NAME - wedding web sites</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="description" content="Specialise in making beautiful wedding web sites for your big day at affordable prices. Includes website templates or custom designs.">
<meta name="keywords" content="wedding web sites, wedding websites, build wedding web sites, wedding website templates">

Dont spend too much time on Meta apart from meta description. Focus on your page title and HTML title. Also link text, Google ad words. Invest in a good domain!
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It is obvious but checking out what the competition is doing might be a good starting point.
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if you have your text in a table and the table background colour is white
it is totaly fine to add keywords i white just as long as the background of your main page isnt white

my pages get crawled every day and when i search for key words in the search engine google the keywords are recognized so its not like they ignore them just dont overweigh the page with them
what i do is put in an underlined key sentence at the end of a paragraph but make it small text and make it the same colour as the table background .. dont do it to often though i cant stress that enough or you will get penalizeed
can i ask if you use any SEO tools ?

I WROTE THIS POST YEARS AGO SO DONT FOLLOW IT ITS CRAP!

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"if you have your text in a table and the table background colour is white
it is totaly fine to add keywords i white just as long as the background of your main page isnt white "..if the words are relevant to your site why not just make them visible...or better yet link them to internal pages that are about those words.....google is way too smart and they will catch you eventually.... they can read your code and figure out what you're doing. If you wanted to go that route then use a graphic as the table background....but that's silly when you could just do it the right way ;)
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Tone2k11 wrote:
I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

I have got about 15.

I also have more then 1 word
Example -

wedding designs, wedding web site,


is that right or should it be -

wedding, designs, web, site

Thanks

Tony


It used to be (and many would say it still is) that you should use the keywords once and separate them by a comma. the engines, it was felt, would parse them into phrases as needed. Now there are suggestions that Yahoo wants to see distict phrases in the keywords tag. So perhaps it's best now to have each phrase included, again comma separated. If you have loads, then only use them on appropriate pages.

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you should have 150 characters in your description and your keywords
no more no less

have a look at mine

http://www.barryswebdesign.co.uk
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"you should have 150 characters in your description and your keywords
no more no less "..hummm...I must have missed that in the web master guidelines. The only tag that I know of that is limited to a size is the title tag and I think that may only have to do the the way it displays in the search results....something like 64 characters....yahoo let's you show a bit more. You keywords should only be as long as they need to be to describe the topic on your page adding additional keywords just so you have 150 characters is diluting the relevance of the real keywords. Same goes for the description. This is one of the most powerful parts of the page...it gets used a lot in the search results display and should make a searcher want to visit your site...if you have something of value to offer or say this is the place to mention it.
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Since this is the Search Engine Forum, and I suppose that implies SEO, there really isn't a lot of point to the keywords meta tag as far as SEO goes. It may be useful for other things, but the major engines stopped paying any attention to that tag a long time ago.
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Agreed !

but I still like to use a short one....old habits ;)
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Hi .....

I think that you can use in your title 50-80 character including backspace, in your keyword 1024 character including backspace and in your description 250 character including backspace.

This information is one collection of all another research that I do.
But I dont know if this is real !!!

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barry wrote:
you should have 150 characters in your description and your keywords
no more no less

have a look at mine

http://www.barryswebdesign.co.uk


I don't believe 150 is a set in stone number. I'd be interested to hear where you read that? By the way, as a suggestion I'd remove the blinking links. Blinking links annoy users more often than not.
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I know theres already a bunch of replies to this topic but I wanna give my 2 cents...here it goes..

first off, the white text on white backround is a big no-no..im sure you already know this from the previous post's...Secondly, 150 characters set in stone I do not agree with and would also like to know where this was read...Thirdly, 15 keywords sounds a bit much. I would limit the amount to your main keywords..then create more pages for your additional keywords. SE's love content..so give them what they want..make a seperate page for wedding hosts, wedding cakes, wedding planning, wedding flowers, wedding priests..whatever you want..this way you can target each keyword to its own page..and even the misspellings if you want..As for the meta tags it doesnt hurt to use them. Yes, alot of big SE's dont go by them anymore but there are still meta search engines on the web...So taking them off is like giving away traffic..I'd keep em..just my 2 cents
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:idea: I would suggest you signup for ExactSeek 90 Days Trial of its SEO Tools and let it evalute your site and suggest best no. of keywords. Visit http://www.exactseek.com/seotools.html for Signup, please. post back your experience.
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I think the only remaining use of meta tags is to tell the crawler how to read and what to include in his crawlings.
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I am now disagreeing with what i said in my post over ayear ago.. i was looking through my stats there and found a link to this forum post so i read it ..


After an extra year doing SEO i disagree with what i said previously about 150 characters.

The keyword meta tag is almost useless so leave it out.

The description tag is used as the description on the search results for lots of search engines so use it to describe your site in the best manner possible using arounf 20 words max..

i got the 150 characters from a crappy SEO app i was using at the time calles Web CEO which i now know is as much good as a fart in a space suit.

use the description tag wise ly but dont keyword stuff it. Make a good description and make it chatchy

thats all

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any one like my new site?

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I dont think there is any limit on using the keyword in meta tag. But 10 sounds quite good so go for it.
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sometimes search engine considers too many Keywords as a spam :)
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Tone2k11 wrote:
I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

I have got about 15.

I also have more then 1 word
Example -

wedding designs, wedding web site,


is that right or should it be -

wedding, designs, web, site

Thanks

Tony


since you are veteran member for your 547 posts in this forum, i believe you have heard of keyword tools to use for your meta tags use and research.

15 keywords sounds ok to me and of course you can also use two words or even more as long as you have the data that supports your claims that whichever keyword you are to use, they should be well optimized for a maximum traffic.

keywords are one of the most important things to consider in optimizing your pages and content.
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Some targeted keywords will really help you!
Adding non related keywords is meaningless :)
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With Google now meta tags and keywords are hardly relevant!
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The meta title and meta description tags are still very relevant...though I agree on the keyword tag.
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Search engines are not paying too much attention to the Meta keywords. It is only used to increase the keywords density of a site. Please don't try to put more Keywords in your page contents otherwise you will be penalized by the search engines.
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Over the last several months I've experimented with Google Adwords Campaigns for my sites. Google suggests that with every campaign you create you should not use any more than 20 keywords per campaign. Think of a campaign as a webpage. My sites "seemed" to do a little better after about a month of removing about 80 keywords I had. Who knows, maybe it was coincidence. Then again, if you really think about it, it makes perfect sence. The more crap you stuff into your meta tags, the more difficult you make it for the search enging to make a decision. All I can say, if Google tells me to do something that will help me get my information seen, I don't ask questions, I just do it..lol

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I am wondering how many keywords you should include in your meta tages and when subbmiting to search engines?

I have got about 15.

I also have more then 1 word
Example -

wedding designs, wedding web site,


is that right or should it be -

wedding, designs, web, site

Thanks

Tony
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