Ozzu Focus & Category Reorganization

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Over the past 10 years Ozzu has grown from a small webmaster based forum into a much larger forum covering a variety of technology topics. The problem is that Ozzu's structure has not changed much, and sometimes it is hard to figure out where to post topics on Ozzu. In other major areas we are completely missing any sort of forum that would cover such discussions including mobile devices, tablets, social media including Facebook and Google+, non-web based programming from APPs, Windows Software, to Game Programming, and much more.

I feel that Ozzu may need to change it's focus to be broader, and have the category organization updated.

Today I changed the:

Macintosh Forum

to the:

Apple Forum

and opened up the description so that members can talk about more topics. Ideally I think we need to re-organize the board because really there should be at least a sub forum for the Android and other handheld devices. The problem is many of these categories kind of fit under bigger categories. For instance here is my dilemma:

Currently we have a big Google Forum that has many things broken down which I like including:

Google SEO (for search engines)
Google Adsense (for advertising)
Google Adwords (for advertisers)
Google Analytics (for tracking)
Google APIs, Tools, and Apps
Other Google Information and Resources

This structure sort of makes sense because Google seems to have their hands into everything. I could easily make another sub category called:

Google Android

With this structure then the same thing should happen with the Microsoft forum. Things should be broken into sub categories under this such as the Bing Search Engine, the actual operating systems, as well as devices they have made such as the Windows Phone and Windows Tablet. Everything Microsoft related.

There are other forums like this too that can have more expansion to make sure people have a place to post everything they need to.

One of the problems I am facing is that we have major categories that these main forums fit under like:

Website Design & Development
Graphics
Operating Systems & Hardware
Internet Marketing

I do like having major categories like that to group forums together (we may need to work on that too), the problem is that sometimes a forum or sub-forum can fit into more than one of these with the Google Forum being a prime example. For instance we really should have some sort of developer forum in the Website Design & Developement section for any help creating APPs for the Android, iPhone, etc -- these also fit under the main forum categories as well for Google and Apple -- the problem is that those forums are under another general area such as Internet Marketing or Operating Systems. In my opinion development for the Android should not be under the Internet Marketing Section.

So with that said, this is the problem I am trying to work out. I am thinking a good solution might be to have the same forums, or sub-forums be listed in multiple areas. However, I do not think phpBB supports that, but in the next version of Ozzu I create I can make sure it does. The next version of Ozzu will be redone completely from the ground up and will not be using phpBB. So with this new structure we could then have a main Google forum, with every possible sub forum related to Google under that. Then in the Programming or Developer forum we would also list some of the same Google forums under that, but only the ones that would interest developers. That way the same sub forums could be found multiple ways, as people think differently for where they should belong. Ideally they really would belong in both places because they fit into both. Having it restricted to only being in one place in my opinion can make things confusing as some users might not think they would be in other areas.

With that said I would love any feedback and thoughts on this. I would also love it if anybody could come up with ideas of a good detailed structure for Ozzu. I feel Ozzu has many topics covered but we are missing forums for many areas. I think we need to open Ozzu up to the entire IT world as well, not just webmasters. Some of the topics here are not just for webmasters, we get users posting all the time who need help with hardware or software, and they are not webmasters. By changing the scope we could also open up many new IT related forums that include Game Development, Software Development (non web based), and anything else to cover the full spectrum that relates to technology.

So if we re-classify Ozzu to be a "Technology" based website instead of a "Webmaster" based website, I think we open the doors to many more people participating. The webmaster part of the Ozzu would still exist, but it would be a subset of Ozzu instead of its main scope.

Thoughts? Ideas? Ideal structure thoughts?

Thanks guys!
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SO why the drastic change from 'Webmaster' to 'Everything'?
I personally enjoy the site as it is. I know you want to create a bigger more social environment and cover a wide range of topics. But there is such as thing as being too big.


sitepoint . com/forums/forum.php
They've covered all topics in Web Design and Development for a very long time.
I rarely post there, just as I rarely post here. I usually search the forums and 99% of the time, someone already asked what I am searching for.
They have a great structure of topics.

If I need webmaster help, I search here, there or any one of many blogs I enjoy.
If I have PC hardware issues, again, I visit tomshardware . com/forum/
For Android™ related help, I head over to XDA.

I feel that this site and forum should maintain its structure.


Perhaps with the upcoming big upgrade/update, just switching FROM phpBB to something more powerful would be a great change in itself.

Perhaps my only big visual gripe here.
I'd like to see more white space.
Bigger fonts.
Maybe do away with the dull grey and bring in more colors?
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I appreciate your feedback, and glad Ozzu has been helpful for you with regards to webmaster based help.

The webmaster category Ozzu currently focuses on is basically a subset of the IT field, which is a subset of the Technology field. I have two reasons for a change. The first is that user participation lately is very poor and unless people see others participating other communities look more attractive. Maybe broadening things up could increase participation. Another reason for considering a change is due to the fact our most popular forums here at Ozzu are:

Website Design
Programming
Windows
Hardware

While the first two forums are definitely webmaster related, the Windows and Hardware forum could potentially be if they are around Webmaster related topics. In reality though the members who post in the Windows and Hardware forum include many types of visitors, many of who are not "webmasters" and usually they do not post webmaster related topics.

We are also missing all sorts of webmaster related discussion with mobile devices, tablets, and more. Secondly our programming areas while they fit in with webmasters, they easily spread over into other fields that have nothing to do with websites. For me personally besides all of the webmaster type programming I do, I also like to dab into C/C++ and Game Development. Those fields are hardly discussed here and even though I am a webmaster I find it relevant to my interests. Those can even be considered webmaster related as I do plan to make a web based game website down the road which topics related to that could easily fit into Game Development, Website Design, and Programming.

What I would love with Ozzu is to have it more of a platform that people find easy and fun to use, and yet it can cover a variety of IT related topics. I realize a major set back with Ozzu's current website is the ease of use, and that is a major goal with the site redesign to fix that problem.

Maybe it can be broken down in a way to have major sections that include:

Webmasters
IT Techs
Programmers
Designers

and depending on the type of person you are, when you visit that area you will see all the categories and topics that would interest that field. I am not sure entirely, I also like Stack Overflow's approach and how instead of even creating categories, they just use tags with the most popular tags showing first which in a way functions as a "category", but allows the users themselves to shape the type of topics that are the most important for the website. This also prevents confusing on where you should post, which more than once has caused issues for members here. You get too many categories and people aren't sure where they should post. Instead if you just have a generic "POST" button on every page, you could start a topic anytime you want and then just list tags you think it would fall under. This would still be an easy conversion for Ozzu, as every topic would simply be tagged with the category they currently fall in, and then for any new topics being made a user could tag them into multiple areas which goes along with what I was saying at the very start -- sometimes topics do belong in multiple places.

I do agree with you on bring more white to Ozzu in its next design change.
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Bringing more white is ok if you are into the lighter themes. I am glad that the dark theme still exists and i would be very disappointed if it was removed.

As for forum layout, i think there are far too many subforums. I like the sections idea. From my own personal area of interest, i do feel the design area and photography part needs to be expanded and grown with the range of topics expanding. For example, i'd love to see people chatting more about Adobe InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop packages while also getting into the Premier Pro and other video editing softwares. People may not think these are important for a webmaster but i would beg to differ. I know if i was to develop a website i'd like to know how to have well edited videos and photographs/graphics on a website just as much as i would like to know about the PHP/Ajax/HTML codes.

At the moment if you were to visit the design forums there is a very limited area of conversation and it mostly revolves around Photoshop or Flash.

It would also be pretty nifty if you had Ajax built in some of the code for the new look forum.

Changing the Macintosh forum to the Apple forum was a good idea.
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A forum section that I've missed in nearly every webmaster forum I've visited is one which focuses on the business side of being a freelancer. Rates, marketing, resources, contracts, proposals, etc. are hard to find meaningful discussion on outside of a blog post with a few comments. No real conversation to be had except reading said blog posts and comments.

With the sectioning of the topics as you discussed, it'd be nice to see a bit more of a categorical approach to the web development section by splitting it up into various languages. I.e.
  • PHP
  • Database
  • HTML & CSS
  • Javascript/jQuery/Ajax
  • .NET
  • actionscript
  • Java

It'd also be nice to see some consistent and fresh content dedicated to the user every so often. Maybe a once-a-week/month article that is specifically there just to give insight and open up conversation about the IT/web world. Could be topics such as photography, webdesign, inspiration, tips and tricks, tutorials, SEO, etc. The big point here is consistency. We aren't lacking any of the articles I just mentioned, but they are few and far between. Something that would be reliably posted once a month would give users an incentive to come back and read the post, more than likely hanging around for a bit to post a comment on the topic and then answer/ask a few questions on the forum. - just a thought.
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convert the forum into a Q&A website a la stackoverflow, and stop forbidding users from posting links and change the colors, i hate black, bring some life into it. Black sux, especially if you want users to be so active here
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I think given the last reply, as suggested before an option to toggle light and dark themes easier. I don't think many know there is an alternative.

Elieobeid7, there is an option where you can change your theme to a light theme which may interest you more.
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What are some of your thoughts on certain sections existing in numerous places throughout the website. That is one of my hardest problems so far is placing a category in the correct spot, since sometimes there are gray areas.

How do you tackle the problem of including all the areas that people want without having too many sub forums? Maybe the use of more generic categories with more sub forums inside of those areas? Right now we have basically the main Ozzu forums area with probably around 30 categories. If we were to break the main forums page down to 5-10 very broad categories, it might be easier to break down sub forums in those to get people to the right spots. Still the issue will arise with the grey area of some sub forums that can belong in more than one area.

With the colors, and actual look -- I would rather this thread be focused on the actual structure of data and organization. The white vs dark debate will never be agreed on, I think the only solution to that one is to always have two themes available.
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NOTE: I HATE SUB FORUMS, so my plan is to remove as much as possible from the sub forums

you could have 1 forum for internet marketing without sub forums

remove Test Forum
Suggestions / Comments to become 1 with general discussion

remove the extra

make an independent forum for posting games

and one forum for marketplace

and one forum for competitions

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one big forum for all os & hardware

combine Multimedia Forum and Digital Art and Drawing Forum into one forum, or you could just remove the multimedia, so because half of it belongs to Digital Art and Drawing Forum and the other half of the topics is related to web design

photography one forum

web design and web reviews and Flash and ActionScript Forum and all the forums that are related to scripting languages used to create websites (php, html, js etc) into 1 forum, called web design and development

website security should be removed

all the topics related to the client side security should be discussed in the web development forum

1 forum for programming (c++ python etc..), all the topics related to the backend security should be discussed there

the hosting forum should include everything about servers and server side security topics, maybe renamed to servers room forum :)
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What would be REALLY cool, is if you could integrate OZZU with Facebook, such that topics appear on my facebook feed. Yeah I know you didn't want to hear that, but it would get me coming back to OZZU more often and interacting with OZZU a lot more.
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To be honest if Ozzu could have less sub-forums then that's better. I sort of agree with elieobeid7. I also dislike subforums. I understand the need to de-clutter and be forum specific but when you've got 10 forums and each forum has 4-5 sub forums you're sort of making the site more confusing, especially to newcomers.

Most of the subforums are to Tutorials which is understandable, but if you were a new webmaster and you wanted to learn about new techniques it would be a bit difficult to find these tutorial forums. I wonder how many people actually visit Ozzu and look for a forum that says "tutorials" which has a list of subforums with all the kinds of tutorials that Ozzu has?

It may seem silly, but by having a forum with all the tutorials in it you are effectively decluttering the vast majority of the forums on Ozzu and making it easier for users to get stuck in. If people want to learn something new they know where to do that. It may also encourage people to contribute more in terms of Tutorials if there was one place for it all.

My suggestion to move all "gallery" posts in Photography forum into a subforum was an example of the only time i reckon you would ever need one. If there is consistently a type of topic appearing that is effectively clogging up the forum then it warrants a place of its own.

If you are trying to cut down on the amount of forums then i'd recommend merging the Digital Art and Media forums together like they once were. Get rid of the Test Forum ( :lol: ) as nobody uses it. Bin the posting game forum as it serves very little purpose and seems to get very little interest nowadays.

In the future you may wish to add a colour coding system which identifies what topic is what and have some sort of key at the top of each forum. I've quickly knocked together an example of what i mean...

Attachments:
example.jpg

Pretty naff and probably not practical.



I may elaborate more when i've got time.

You may also want to rename the "Microsoft Windows Forum" to the "Windows Forum" as well.
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The effort is nice and need at this time. Because everything is going to be changed, Ozzu should also be changed positively. A am a beginner in the field of web design. What H have realized that Ozzu may include more effective video tutorial in different language.

However, thanks and best regards for such an effort.
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Hi
A thing that I dislike on this forum it is the rel="nofollow" in the links from Personal Web Site and Signature.
This thing makes me to not like to visit the form and answer to questions.
A forum is made by the users, for the users, not for SEO and other greedy things.
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Ok well I hope you can all bear with me while I explain this.

With BigWebs post regarding writing Ozzu from the ground up I would like to do a brief analysis on the site.

First thing we need to do is understand what Ozzu is. I believe it is a few things
A solutions gateway service
By this I mean that Ozzu allows people with questions to post them in the public domain and receive feedback and possible answers from other people. This poses a few challenges in that solutions and questions can quiet often be replicated in different forms.

Discussion Platform
In the past I have seen general banter being past backwards and forwards regarding news articles or general opinions.

[b]Education platform[/p]
What I mean by education platform is a significant amount of effort has been placed in developing a section of the site that contains tutorials to common patterns or starting points for different forms of development. Again the drawback here is that data can be replicated. Tutorials might be slightly different but cover the same concept. They might answer certain questions but are stored in a different area of the site making it counter intuitive to find.

The above being said, I feel that the forum software only really caters for the one platform and that is the discussion platform. With Ozzu having reached what I would perceive to be a critical mass now, I think it is time for a long hard look and perhaps innovative implementation of the above mentioned platforms.

A few suggestions I have regarding the rewrite are
1) Perhaps look at some form of tagging mechanism to allow users to file questions under certain sections.
2) Allow users to create their own categorisations based on tags and other fields you might include. This will address the major issue of "how do I structure things for people". Inevitably everyone has a different filing mechanism. Personaly I don't mind sub forums, another used mentioned they can't stand sub forms but if we look at it, how much time do we spend navigating through the structure? Probably little to none. Unless you are an admin :) Generally people find a section and stick to it.
3) Make data retrieval more intituve. The search on the site could do with an overhaul.
4) Using the concept of a blog might be an easier way of creating your tutorials section.

The primary point I am trying to make here is to not impose structure on the user, rather let the user define their own structure. Most of the times pages from Ozzu are hit via google which means that the structure is useless anyway. A more natural navigation process is required as opposed to a a computer filing environment

If you would like to discuss this further let me know, gotta dash off to a meeting

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Ozzu.com used to be a great place for people to come learn how to be webmasters, developers and designers. I'm not sure why, but all that changed when the light theme was introduced - and note, the light theme isn't just lighter, it changed the whole layout of the site, which the dark theme now follows. You have to scroll almost a whole screen just to see the navigation pane because of all of the ads at the top. Yes, I know you have to make money to keep things going, but I always thought that was a bit overkill. Also, when you finally get down to them, your on-site navigation is practically indistinguishable from your off-site links just below them. Everything also got bigger and, me being a code nazi, I liked the tightness of the old layout.

A big reason I stopped spending so much time on here was, as MarPlo pointed out, the rel="nofollow" being attached to signature links. By having this, you essentially kill any rating points I might get from search engines for linking back to my own site. Meanwhile, I'm giving people free advice and getting absolutely nothing in return except maybe a good feeling bc I helped someone, but there are lots of sites I can go help people on that don't do this to me. I'm also pretty sure that by allowing the bots to go through your site to get to multitudes of others, you're only helping your own SEO.

A lot of attention is given to design and photography. That's all well and good, but when was the last time you had a japh competition or a data mangling competition, or any kind of competition geared to developers? I tell my clients all the time that while I may be one heck of a developer, I'm certainly no professional designer. This is why I hire people who are.

Internet marketing shouldn't focus on one specific search engine, there's more to internet marketing than getting top listings when someone searches for a given keyword. As far as SEO goes, common sense rules do apply that will give you ranking with all of them. You're missing out on tactics like link exchanges, direct marketing, leveraging social sites, HELPING PEOPLE ON FORUMS TO GET YOUR LINK OUT THERE and a list of other tactics so long it'd take days to write. I could see this perhaps combined with the hosting forum as well as those mentioned by mindfullsilence under the common heading of "Operations" or some such.

If you're going to have a programming forum that talks about application development, it probably shouldn't be under the Website Development category, I mean, unless you're talking about building servers (which most people don't really do). Then too, the topics in your hosting forum have little to do with development. I think you have to draw the line somewhere. If this is a site about webmaster topics, you can't say "well, C++ game development fits because at some point I'll make it internet accessible and/or run it from my web site". If you used this logic, then you may as well dump the whole "webmaster" thing and yes, convert the whole site over to "IT topics" because practically anything you do on your computer can, at some point, be exported in some way, shape or form to the web. But, I think that by doing so, you're diluting what Ozzu is (was?) and it becomes yet another IT site with no specific focus.

As mentioned, the OS & Hardware forum has already reached this point. People don't talk about setting up their VOIP cards and mail servers, they talk about getting keyloggers and microphones working. I'd do away completely with the hardware forum, let those topics go under the OS the person is using. I'd also split that out so you had Client OS and Server OS or some such.

Given everything mentioned, I could see a layout such as this
  • Community
    • General
    • Competitions
    • Posting Games
  • Development
    • Design
      • Applications
        • Macromedia
        • 3DMAX
        • Gimp
        • ...
      • Layout
      • Photography
    • Programming
      • General
      • Android
      • ASP
      • PHP
      • C++
      • ...
    • Reviews
  • OS Specific
    • Client OS
      • Apple
      • Linux, BSD, *nix
      • Microsoft
      • Mobile
    • Server OS
      • Apple
      • Linux, BSD, *nix
      • Microsoft
  • Operations
    • Freelancer Topics
    • Internet Marketing
    • Job Opportunities

I've seen the posts about hating subtopics and tbh I really don't understand this. What if you went to your local grocery store and they just put everything wherever they could find a spot? You could spend all day looking for a loaf of bread. I think with a layout such as this, you could attract more IT professionals - especially if you drop the nofollow directive.

Another thing that I wouldn't mind seeing here is reputation points and allow users to vote posts up or down, which would add or subtract from a person's total rep points. In addition to this, if you were able to reply directly to a given post, such that your reply is made part of that post, it would allow you to respond to something on page 2 of a 24 page thread and the origin and reply are right there in the same spot.

I'm sure I could come up with more, but this should be enough to chew on for a while
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I think the only thing I would change is an update in the site's interface design.

I would give it a slightly fresher and modern look.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

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I don't know if it needs to change, but for me this is an example for a really successful and good forum!
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I'd like to see a separate section just for wordpress.
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You're trying to do too many things at once.

Do one thing and do it well.

My suggestion would be to do away with half of the crap on here, and upgrade the appearance of the site. It looks dull, miserable and dated. You need to make it more visually appealing and contemporary.

Do those things and you might be moving in the right direction.
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Oh and another thing...

Place clear and obvious, log in, register, log out buttons up the top. Where are they??????

So frustrating, and probably costing you memberships.
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Hi

As you no doubt have seen constantly the mobile web is the future for sales and marketing.
More people are using mobile devices than ever before and in some cases it surpasses the PC device.

What I would like to see is a section on the mobile web.

People need to know how to create mobile optimized websites, not just mobile friendly websits.
One needs to know how to detect mobile devices so you can transfer them to the mobile webpage suited for the device.

Many people think creating a mobile website is difficult and so do not attempt it. There are so many people who use mobiles and use them everywhere, even in the washroom. These are all potential customers. But if you do not have a mobile website, one is loosing the income of a giant potential market.

I believe if one can go for help to one location, they might be more willing to at least attempt to have a mobile friendly website which would benefit them in the long rum
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A lot of attention is given to design and photography. That's all well and good, but when was the last time you had a japh competition or a data mangling competition, or any kind of competition geared to developers? I tell my clients all the time that while I may be one heck of a developer, I'm certainly no professional designer. This is why I hire people who are.


I completely agree, and this is one area that i'm personally keen on sorting out. I don't like the competitions the way they are and i know there should be more in the way of coding and less to do with graphic design or photography.
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Top cats based on language

PHP - CSS (ect....)

Parallel Sub-cats based on

standards comp - proprietary - impending releases
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Thank you for all of the wonderful feedback so far, I will be going through and commenting on different ideas once more come in. One thing I have noticed is that ideas can vary widely, there probably is no right or wrong way but all of this gives me lots to think about so hopefully I can make the best of it.

Keep the ideas coming. Again I am mainly focusing on needing feedback for the structure of the website with regards to how the data is organized. I already am well aware that the usability of the site needs vast improvement (such as the login button), but I am not looking for feedback there. I am looking to see if we should keep a similar structure as we have now with forums and sub forums, or if we should expand or simplify that concept, or try something completely new such as tagging and giving the users the control via popularity for what sort of areas actually get the main focus on Ozzu. I am looking for these ideas because Ozzu is going to be rewritten from the ground up and before it is even started we need to make sure the best approach is used, and your ideas can help influence that.

Thanks!
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Personally, I think it should remain pretty close to what it is. However, I've never done a complete rewrite on something of my own without doing something completely different - and since you mention complete rewrite and tags in the same post....

I wrote a system some time ago that would read tags on items (it was an ecommerce site), then arrange those semi-intelligently into a navigation tree. More popular tags became parents of less popular ones. It's a fairly simple thing to work up (at first). Applying that here, let's say you have 3 posts with tags like
1. programming, asp, captcha
2. programming, php, captcha
3. programming, php, mysql

you might end up with a structure like
programming
--captcha
----asp
----php
------mysql
--php
----captcha
----mysql
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There's a lot of replication if just left to itself, but you add tag associations, such as php is always a child of programming, for example. Once you have associations in place, take those tags directly from thread contents, cut out meaningless words like "a" and "the" and whatnot, as well as any words not in your dictionary for the selected language (if you have multiple languages), and let the system build your tree. Popular terms would always filter to the top of the tree, but (there's always a "but") your tree is going to get *very* big *very* fast, so you're probably going to want to do some ajax drop down to mimic something like Windows Explorer's directory tree. I say ajax because I'm sure you won't want to load all that at once. I said "at first" above simply because this grows into a monster very fast because at some point, you're going to want to include associations, tag placement pinning, heuristics and whatever else you can dream up to keep that tree straight. Another option you could give users, once you have placement pinning in place, is the ability for them to drag tags around on the tree to put stuff where they want. This won't negate the need for you to manage the tree through other means though, as it's going to have to have some sort of default that makes sense for people who haven't moved anything. If you do implement tagging, topics should filter down. Meaning on the home page everything shows, the next level down, only posts that have those tags show and so on down the line.

Still, I have to revert to my previous post and ask if a complete rewrite is really necessary. IMO it just needs a few tweaks. All that said, it'll be interesting to see what you come up with in the end.
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One of the reasons for a major rewrite is it is tiring of having phpBB as the backend. With their release cycle it is a pain to keep things updated, with something developed from the ground up it will be much easier to just keep adding features, instead of always having to update phpBB with its painful ways to install customizations -- and Ozzu has alot of those! I would like to move to a more MVC model, currently its just a phpBB model or whatever you want to call it ;)

As far as if the structure gets changed much, that is what I am still trying to figure out. If I do end up doing something with tagging, your approach is something that will definitely have to be considered. I think another important part to tagging would be letting users "subscribe" or make certain tags their "favorites" -- those would then stand out and would be liking having their areas of the board right there for them to visit. Imagine everything that interests you with regards to programming, or web design -- you simply select the tags that interest you and then any and all posts that are tagged as such would be on your radar screen. With the current approach and having forums and sub forums, I feel it takes more effort from the user to figure out the threads that might actually truly interest them. This is one reason I like the tagging feature, the other is that tagging allows topics to be in multiple areas as some topics should.
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I sorta figured dumping phpbb was a big part of things, there's a ton of worthless code in it too, so running your own platform will naturally be faster. I don't think I was truly happy until I started coding to my own platform either.

In my view, back-end and front-end are church and state, you don't mix them ever. phpbb isn't too bad about it as open source software goes, have a look at zen cart once.
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Glad you got what I was trying to say about tagging :) I think the ability to organise ones data in a way that make sense to ones self is always a winner. This also lends itself to creating feeds that users can view much like twitter.

Oh that was another thing I thought of. Why not allow the users to post the topic or question as a link on twitter? This would be great exposure for Ozzu and would add another channel that users can field their questions on? Not sure about a facebook app but I know that if I post a blog entry to twitter on completion I get a significant amount of views.

If you feeling really brave it might even be cool to look at writing it using RESTful services with Javascript MVC (Backbone.js comes to mind). Modernizes nicely, allows for focused module development and enhances the user experience quiet nicely.

In my travels I would highly recommend a TDD approach (I have started using PHPUnit and Jasmine). Cleans up code nicely, regression testing, quality increase and easier bug isolation. (Sorry I know that is slightly off topic - well way off - but I get excited)

Another idea might be to introduce a more social(?) aspect to the site. I know that stack over flow allows voting for answers to questions and the user can designate which answer was the best one for the problem. If you can get that type if feed back into your system then you can really start milking the data (users can also start milking the data better).

I have most definitely started leaning towards loosely coupled data structures and allowing users to manipulate the data views in a way that makes sense to them :) If you need more clarification let me know but I hope the out of the box ideas I am presenting might give you a different line of thinking in solving this problem.
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Site is the most liked one, and Easy navigation to different section of the forum pointers will help people move freely around..
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Yes, this is exactly the sort of feedback and ideas I am looking for. Really appreciate what you guys have to say so I can really try and look at this from all angles before investing a great deal of time into rewriting everything.

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Completely agree, and then tons of things we are missing too. It was a great place to start ten years ago, but now its like having a Smart Fortwo and then trying to put much more into it then it really was meant for.

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Oh that was another thing I thought of. Why not allow the users to post the topic or question as a link on twitter? This would be great exposure for Ozzu and would add another channel that users can field their questions on? Not sure about a facebook app but I know that if I post a blog entry to twitter on completion I get a significant amount of views.


Are you just saying have some sort of social media twitter button on each thread that easily allows people to post the link? I think that is what you are saying, right? At the top of each thread I did have that for awhile but not many were using it. It is possible they did not see it though, might make more sense to have those links by the reply box.

In the last week I have actually really dove into Facebook Apps and how it all works. Really starting to understand everything now and I have already created an app for another site I run to allow members to register or login via Facebook. It uses oAuth which many platforms use including Twitter so I will be able to easily allow visitors to login via multiple platforms and create an account on the site in an instance. The nice thing about the Facebook APPs is that permissions can be requested to do all sorts of things on behalf of the user. So for instance if I wanted the APP to post on facebook everytime they posted on Ozzu I could have the app do that with their permission. Many other things I could do as well including placing things on timelines, but makes for interesting ideas on how to get the site more social and easier to participate in.

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Another idea might be to introduce a more social(?) aspect to the site. I know that stack over flow allows voting for answers to questions and the user can designate which answer was the best one for the problem. If you can get that type if feed back into your system then you can really start milking the data (users can also start milking the data better).


I do really like getting the site more social too. These are all just ideas and thoughts going through my head but with Stack Overflow they basically allow you to ask questions and the best answers are at the top. With Ozzu I would still like to encourage regular discussions as well, so I was thinking it might make sense to have two buttons for starting a new topic such as:

"Post a Question"
"Start a Discussion"

Or something along those lines. If post a question is selected the format of the thread will be that the question is at the top, and then the answers that are given can be voted on with the best answers staying at the top, and the worst at the bottom.

If a post is for starting a new discussion, then that sort of thread might have its default view where it is sort of like it is now from the oldest to the newest. I think each post should always allow votes still, and probably any thread whether it is a question threat or a discussion thread can have it's posts sorted by votes, or date/time depending on what the user wants. The main difference is just the default view.

Lots to think about!
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Yeah, I think the differentiation between discussions and questions is imperative.

Discussions are more free form where questions have a very specific purpose. As for the twitter feedback you might want to allow the user to automatically post it to twitter if they are asking a question. THis means it become a matter of creating the question and it posts to twitter in the background (after the user has authenticated themselves of course). What would also be cool is if the user or community votes for the best answer and the accepted answer is posted to twitter :)

With the amount of data that ozzu now contains, the ability to find what you looking for easily is going to become imperative!
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Nothing to add, I am leaving this to the expert's contributions.

Ozzu has always 'worked' for me as is.

Addind a Wordpress sounds good, its a huge community of bloggers.

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I used to be a Ozzu die hard. I lived on here. Then I started asking tougher questions, and responses would come days/weeks later, and ultimately I stopped finding answers. So I left for a different forum. One that has been gamified, and I found answers to be MUCH faster.

Gameify OZZU more. Add badges/unlockables, maybe? Let users vote up/down the quality of a question/response. I think it'll help get answers more timely.

Don't have Mod's be the first line of defense for answers. Let your users be the first wave of answers. If a thread gets no response for 12-24 hrs. That's when a Mod should jump in, or to corral a runnaway thread.

Drop categories altogether and use tags instead. Have a tag library that as the user types tags into a tag field on a new thread, previous tags are suggested as the user types. Unique tags are reviewed/screened before being added to the library. This will help with your categorization/search.

Let the user find the answer's they're looking for via a kick a$$ search bar. Become the Knowledge Base for Tech/Programming/IT/Hardware/Hosting/Software/Design... Answers.

When someone starts a new thread. Have the title field perform an ajax type-ahead lookup that suggests other threads with titles with similar keywords. If none of those previous threads contain what the user is looking for, then they can bypass the suggested threads and continue creating a new thread. A measure to prevent duplicate threading.

I haven't seen this around, so maybe offer a space for users with a certain number of points (street cred) to post tutorials/widgets with demos and source code.

OHHH...big one. Code competitions. You have photo manipulations competitions. Find a way to host code competitions. With points for: speed of development, # of lines of code (less is better), speed of code, etc. At work, we've started doing the occasional hack-athon and they're a lot of fun, and get the creative/competitive juices flowing. Such a great opportunity for learning by seeing other's methodology!
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The problem with trying to get too granular, is that few people will know where to post and it may encourage cross-posting. I've see this on other sites.

May I suggest a sort of sitemap that is at the top of each forum, showing the topic tree and a one line description for each branch. Then you wouldn't have to make major changes and it would easy for visitors to figure out where they needed to post questions or answers. JMHO

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like the layout idea by this213 - but need to add a few areas:
such as...
eLearning development (from captivate and articulate for beginners, to full on IMI3-4 scenario dev)
web trends (newest environments, coding and editors)
HTML5 (latest standards, from best ways to make a scorm compliant course with html5 - to designing interactive mobile apps)
HTML5 editors (like Hype and Edge)

and Oracle servers should be separated from Linux/BSD servers - scorm coding DOES change from ubuntu linux to oracle peoplesoft - as i found out the hard way this last year >.<' - inhouse legacy courseware generator that was recoded by at least 4 different coders - to find out it was coded for ubuntu (and we could see the content fine on our server), but client was using peoplesoft (who kept seeing an empty courseware shell)... do i need to say more about how much of a migraine i was having - daily?

anyways, adding bump outs and then giving narrowed title areas to those bump outs will indeed make it easier to find relevant data faster - i have to admit, the forums had become so bogged down past couple of years, i wasn't even using this site - especially times when i'm in a coding bind and under a tight deadline - i agree with this213 with tagging reply posts under the op would help as well - also voting down negative posts to auto-collapse should help remove unrelated/unwanted trash posts

you might also want to check the wow forums for additional ideas...
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"well, C++ game development fits because at some point I'll make it internet accessible and/or run it from my web site"

Couldn't agree more here. I've seen forums that try to cover everything having to do with tech, and it's far too ambiguous. I would hate to see OZZU become a jack of all trades and an ace of none.

Right now, I'm not for or against the voting system being proposed. My apprehension towards such a system stems from its potential negative impact on new members. A person could post what they believe to be a legitimate answer to a question and end up getting voted down and leaving the site permanently. Another scenario - I've come to learn that the translation engine running behind OZZU isn't the best. It's incredibly hard to understand what some of the members foreign to my country are saying as the english translation is nearly unreadable. Will members end up voting these posts down simply due to poor translation?

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The search on the site could do with an overhaul.

Seems most of us are in agreement here. The search could use a bit of tweaking.

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Allow users to create their own categorisations[sic] based on tags and other fields you might include.

Depending on it's implementation, this could be a good idea. Although, it could drastically effect the usability of the site if you only included one or the other. Using this technique would be best suited as an option alongside the sites default categorical structure. Leaving custom-tagging as the only way to categorize posts would get extremely messy extremely quickly if not given a good balance in usability, freedom, and limitation.

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A lot of attention is given to design and photography. That's all well and good, but when was the last time you had a japh competition or a data mangling competition, or any kind of competition geared to developers?

Couldn't agree more, there is a lot of activity between moderators and users within the designer areas of the forum. I've seen a significant lack of concurrence on the developer sections of the forum.

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Gameify OZZU more. Add badges/unlockables, maybe? Let users vote up/down the quality of a question/response. I think it'll help get answers more timely.

I addressed my concerns on the voting up/down of posts. I think it's a good idea as long as it doesn't alienate users. As far as badges and unlockables, these could be a good incentive as long as they're implemented in a way that won't cheapen the feel of the OZZU environment. I could see this being a big asset to getting new members to stick around for a longer period of time, however I don't see it being anything more than ancillary decoration to the senior posters of OZZU. Not much worry here as a badge next to a name for a new person would be exciting, whilst a badge wouldn't bother a longstanding member.
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A lot of attention is given to design and photography. That's all well and good, but when was the last time you had a japh competition or a data mangling competition, or any kind of competition geared to developers?

Couldn't agree more, there is a lot of activity between moderators and users within the designer areas of the forum. I've seen a significant lack of concurrence on the developer sections of the forum.


Please check out this topic if you agree with the above.
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I've been checking everywhere on how to change this, but I want to remove my real name (not username but "real name" displayed), or if I can't, atleast have an option to alter it
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I've been checking everywhere on how to change this, but I want to remove my real name (not username but "real name" displayed), or if I can't, atleast have an option to alter it


I've been through every setting in the control panel and I don't even see a spot to put your real name and I don't see yours anywhere so not sure on that one.
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...I've seen forums that try to cover everything having to do with tech, and it's far too ambiguous. I would hate to see OZZU become a jack of all trades and an ace of none.


Just wanted to second this.

I've been away from Ozzu for quite a while now for various reasons, but recently I've been trying to get back into things (I haven't been doing a good job, as I tend to like replying to things more than starting them, and there hasn't been much started around here recently - at the very least, not much I've had anything really to join in on), for two major reasons:

1. I miss Ozzu.
When I first joined Ozzu, my family had moved a considerable distance (me with them) from where I grew up. I didn't acclimate well (it being my last year of high-school didn't help - homeschooled though I was, my friends from work, my town, my church, and our local homeschool group were all back home). I had trouble making new friends, lived too far away from any place to really walk to, didn't drive, and couldn't get a job anywhere. So, I didn't really know a lot of people - at least not really well.

So, I started spending more time reading and online than I usually did. First, it was mostly to keep in touch with my friends back home, then it grew into joining several online communities. Of those, the only I had the best experience with was Ozzu.

The discussion was varied enough to be interesting, while still mostly sticking (at least outside the General forum) to web-related issues enough to be cohesive and retain a theme. The people were great (most still are, I'd expect) - very friendly, helpful, and polite, but not without a sense of humour, an ability to be critical, or the willingness to engage in unrelated discussion every now and again. The moderators and admin kept the place nice and clean (still do) without ever abusing power. All in all, it was the best online community I personally got involved in.

Later, I went to college, met new friends, got into my studies, and suddenly, Ozzu wasn't as regular a stop for me anymore (I expect similar things have happened with many others, and hey - it happens). That said, I came back because I missed it, and because of reason two...

2. Ozzu is one of the better webmaster forums I've found.
I've been around to plenty of webmasters' forums. Some are great. Some aren't. Some focus two narrowly on one subject (a certain framework, for example) to be a go-to for anything but specific questions. Some have unpleasant communities, or ones simply too large to easily get into. Some are aimed to much at a certain level of user (no tolerance for beginners, or beginners only with no higher-level discussion) and thus are only useful to those with/without know-how. Some focus too broadly (again, "jack of all trades and an ace of none"), ending up with either no real in-depth discussion of topics at all or changing their focus entirely and being active only in a different area than was originally intended.

I never had any of those problems with Ozzu in the past. On Ozzu I was able to help others with some problems, and get help with some of mine. Some discussions went over my head (or, at least, ability to comment), while others I could easily get into and learn from (working my way up to those "over my heads"), and still others I could grasp totally and leas (already knowing the matter at hand). Ozzu was/is diverse but focused, open to multiple levels of user, and, again, had an easy to get into, get to know (whole topics were devoted to this), and get involved with community - much more than many other forums.

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I won't go on any longer with my rambling - I haven't entirely stayed on topic as is, I suppose. But consider that tangent my comments of the "focus" issue, at least. I like much of the way Ozzu is, and would hate to see it lose anything by becoming too broad.


ALL THAT SAID, there is, of course, room for improvement - if the forums could be consolidated down a few, that would be awesome. Combine that with a new design and it'd be seven kinds of fine. My biggest "issue" with Ozzu (organization/site-wise) is that it looks, as others have said, a little "dated." I want to be more specific and say it looks cluttered.

Simplify it a bit - cut down on some sections, ditch or heavily simplify the sidebar, and, as others sort-of got at, switch out the "main menu" pop-out up top for some easy access buttons (maybe a drop down for some stuff, but at least login/out, control panel, PMs, and search should be links - probably FAQ too, so new users can more easily find it).

That much, for me anyway, would be a massive step towards making the site more accessible, both for current members and new ones.
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A big reason I stopped spending so much time on here was, as MarPlo pointed out, the rel="nofollow" being attached to signature links. By having this, you essentially kill any rating points I might get from search engines for linking back to my own site. Meanwhile, I'm giving people free advice and getting absolutely nothing in return except maybe a good feeling bc I helped someone, but there are lots of sites I can go help people on that don't do this to me. I'm also pretty sure that by allowing the bots to go through your site to get to multitudes of others, you're only helping your own SEO.


While this is off topic, I do want to address this as it has been brought up more than once in this thread, as well as numerous times across Ozzu since this has gone in effect. The main reason this was implemented was to discourage users from signing up on Ozzu to only post so that their link could get exposure. This lead to short low quality posts only for the purpose of getting those links on pages. One of my primary goals with Ozzu was to keep the quality of the board higher than other forums similar to Ozzu. If you look at boards that allow that, you will see many threads full of mindless chatter that nobody really cares about. I don't want this here.

Back at the time that it was implemented, it was suggested by Google to use on forums, blogs, and guestbooks where you could not trust the content and didn't want to inadvertently link to bad neighborhoods or spam. So while my goal was to keep the quality of content up at Ozzu, it was also to not get penalized in Google's eyes. Here is a useful content guidelines page by Google that discusses the rel="nofollow" tag:

http://support.google.com/webmasters/bi ... swer=96569

To summarize it, it basically says places to use the nofollow tag are untrusted content, paid links, and crawl prioritization. The main part that was of importance to me is "untrusted content" -- and how it also encourages spammers to simply post on Ozzu to get their links out. In this link above it says:

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If you can't or don't want to vouch for the content of pages you link to from your site — for example, untrusted user comments or guestbook entries — you should nofollow those links. This can discourage spammers from targeting your site, and will help keep your site from inadvertently passing PageRank to bad neighborhoods on the web. In particular, comment spammers may decide not to target a specific content management system or blog service if they can see that untrusted links in that service are nofollowed.


We have had plenty of those types of members here, and I feel the nofollow tag has helped discouraged them from participating. However, that Google page I linked above also says this right after that last quote:

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If you want to recognize and reward trustworthy contributors, you could decide to automatically or manually remove the nofollow attribute on links posted by members or users who have consistently made high-quality contributions over time.


This is honestly the first time I have seen Google state something along those lines. I would actually have no problem rewarding members on a case by case basis for those who contribute high quality content on Ozzu. There are more than one person who would fit that criteria, and this213 you are one of them. You always post consistently useful content.

So with that said this is something I will seriously consider implementing in the future to enable certain user accounts to have the rel="nofollow" attribute removed.
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Thanks, I try :D

I was discussing this very thing with someone a while ago. While we could go back and forth about the pros and cons, having run a couple of my own boards, I know *exactly* what you're talking about with trash posts, linking to bad neighborhoods and so forth. There's no good catch-all for these bingos since they usually crack some wide open windows system on a corporate network to do their posting from. You block that IP and they just grab the next one in line. You block that whole net and they just grab the next one in line. Anyway, this is a summary of what we came up with...

For signatures and profiles:
1. Links must be top level, such as board.mysite.c om or mysite.com, but mysite.com/whatever is invalid. Perhaps you could add rules to allow links to known sites as well, such as to someone's facebook or linkedin profile.
2. Administration should check the links to make sure they fit common sense criteria.
3. If a user changes their link, the change should be queued and not published until verified.
4. Users must post some number of posts before links will show - or perhaps better, must post in so many threads.

For posts:
1. Users must make some number of posts before links can be posted, until then, perhaps they show as hxxp:// subdom mysite com / page - just having spaces will confuse a lot of people and the only way someone might take the time to follow them would be to copy it to a location bar and then replace those with dots manually. This also stops them from being displayed as links in various clients, as they may if you just output the url and stripped the link tags.
2. Only allow images to be attached, as opposed to allowing [img] bbcode tags
3. Posts with either links (even if disabled) or attachments get flagged for moderator approval before they're published until the user has reached a trust threshold.
4. All links in posts should indeed have the nofollow attribute.

On a completely different note: How about getting the ability to subscribe to a daily email showing all of the unanswered posts made in the last 24 hours in a given forum? I know I can subscribe to a given forum, but that's not quite what I mean. Even if I couldn't choose which forums to include in the daily report and it were sitewide, I think I'd find that fairly handy.
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I like the daily subscription idea. The way it works now is I believe an e-mail would get sent each time a new thread or post occurs in the forum you are subscribed to. Probably would get annoying, this is a default setting on how phpBB operates. A daily summary e-mail of your subscribed areas might be enough to remind people to come back more often. Like it!
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I like the daily subscription idea. The way it works now is I believe an e-mail would get sent each time a new thread or post occurs in the forum you are subscribed to. Probably would get annoying, this is a default setting on how phpBB operates. A daily summary e-mail of your subscribed areas might be enough to remind people to come back more often. Like it!


So long as it is optional. Some may get bored of having it sent all the time and may want to remain subscribed to a section without receiving the emails.
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Yes, I would make sure everything is optional :)
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Along that idea, I think it'd be useful to have a link much like the "View unread posts" that lists all unanswered posts. Showing only posts with 0 replies.

If you plan on implementing the "kudos" idea with ranking replies based on ability to answer the question, then this "view unanswered posts" could list all threads that have yet to vote up an answer.

Regardless of the "kudos" idea, it'd still be really useful for me (someone who wants to answer more questions nowadays) to find posts that need answers via a simple link I can click that lists all 0-reply posts.
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I realize I need to make this easier to find, and that is one of my highest priorities in the next version of Ozzu -- to make things not so hard to figure out.

With the current version of Ozzu we already have a link for viewing "Unanswered Posts". What you need to do is look on the top right of the menu on Ozzu where it says:

Favorite Links

To the right of that click on the + sign.

Then you will see an interface which shows all of your current links that show up there. Towards the bottom is a section for "Add Favorite Links". In there select the Preset which says:

"View unanswered posts"

Then change the title or target as you wish, then hit submit. Now that link will show up all the time in your favorite links area.

Hope that helps :)
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Post 3+ Months Ago

huh, well look at that...awesome!
  • devilwood
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I first want to agree with Hob Bramble. So, I'll try not to restate any compliments he made.

1. Nofollow links - I liked this213 suggestions if they can be implemented without degrading posts and yes this213 has provided me with great help on occasion and has been here a while. :D
2. I like the subscription for unread posts
3. Categories need to stay simple and broad. Separating out language specifics under programming forum is probably a good idea. The Graphics category could use some mergers. Internet Marketing is fine unless there are topics missing but I like them broken out by specific search engine. I would definitely consider a Networking category. I would also, not definitely, consider working in an office program category that could comprise of tutorials, know-hows, questions, discussions on spreadsheet programs, word processors, presentation programs, PIMs/Email Clients, etc. Though, many could fall under specific OSes but a program could have Windows and Linux installers like OpenOffice or completely platform independent like Google Apps. I know there are whole forums dedicated to nothing but Excel. On a personal level I'd like to see platform specific news or discussions based on the top technology companies mainly Apple, Microsoft, and Google. Additionally, since these companies are the main mobile players then mobile development could easily be worked into their boards. It would help me to be able to check those boards to see if maybe Google has released a new API or the Apple board to see some neat discussions/feature releases on iOS. These company boards would almost have identical sub-categories (though I would keep sub-categorizing at a minimum) but allow the user to select their specific platform. I find these type of posts commonly posted in the General Discussions that come up when I first log in which is nice.
4. Layout, colors - you're just not going to be able to please everyone here. I've always liked Ozzu for it's simplicity, cleanliness, and classy layout of advertisements. It formats correctly to my display and is very professional. In comparison to other forums, which are clearly recognizable as phpBB or some variant, Ozzu is a blessing and is the ideal model organism for what those sites could be. So many forum sites are so junky and tacky. I think people that can't figure out Ozzu are just used to being in that whirlwind. Also, I think for the highest membership the Ads go bye-bye even though they are not intrusive.
5. I think if you can incorporate more technology news then that may at least make Ozzu a daily stop to get a quickie. Maybe if there's a way to feed into the news like when search a stock quote on google. For example, Intuit from google.com/finance gives events, news and related companies. Perhaps there's a way to lightly tap into that.
  • WritingBadCode
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Two things: I still think its a good idea with a chatroom, chatroom would let people chitchat and can create a friendly atmosphere. Also it lets people ask small and quick questions, that you would google otherwise. And in forums you have to be pretty "clear" in your answers or you get a "how did you mean" and thing can take days, while in chat the person right away ask: "how did you mean" and you immediate know you explained bad and can explain better.

ozzu(dot)com, I prefer writing: ozzu(dot)com(slash)forum. Why? ozzu(dot)com is updated way to slow for us coming here often. I don't really get the idea, if I want news I want them to be NEWs, usually the posts presented there are several months old and it makes the page look dead.

I don't know if there are better things to put there.

But I think its updated a bit too slow, and it don't really show what is going on in the forum (or in the world for that matter).
  • Hob Bramble
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WritingBadCode wrote:
[The ozzu.com main landing page] is updated way to slow for us coming here often. I don't really get the idea, if I want news I want them to be NEWs, usually the posts presented there are several months old and it makes the page look dead...But I think its updated a bit too slow, and it don't really show what is going on in the forum (or in the world for that matter).


I second that one - I bookmarked /forum/ so I could skip the landing page entirely when coming to Ozzu for that very reason.
  • Zealous
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Post 3+ Months Ago

make a error code section, i am sure you got 5000 posts that have to deal with error codes.
  • WizardOz
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Post 3+ Months Ago

i really like the idea of the 'dynamic categorization' aided by tags as thrown up by one member here. it may sound trivial but it would certainly obviate the need to think that comparmentalization of information is the key thing to making sense of everything or even assume that this is what will make Ozzu more appealing to everyone.

btw, to be everything to everyone is actually a serious imagination that will be a running target for Ozzu and i am not sure what this will lead to.

like i have said, users going into inter-people interactive sites are just like tourists or travellers touring in geographical sites. but to think along the lines of demarcating regions of information like giving borders to countries, nations, and states MIGHT NOT BE the parallel that Ozzu should be looking at.

i think the ideal here is just to help people navigate their way in the 'jungle' of information, that's all; but not to try to seriously cut up Ozzu into 'States' or 'countries' so that regular tourists or once-a-while tourists know where to travel to.

is the idea of another structural compartmentalization going to make Ozzu 'fresh', 'vibrant', 'attractive'? after spending time on compartmentalization is anyone so sure that Ozzu will get a bigger piece of the inter-people interactivity?

i believe a form of tagging 'technology' or 'methodology' is what is needed here. i don't know of any precedent in such an idea anywhere in the internet, but it could have been implemented in some ways unexpectedly. it is now to think along these lines to improve on it rather than 'forced' compartmentalization.

the reason for tagging is just this: Nations of people is just a way of compartmentalizing nationalities. When it comes to the intangible things like ideas, thoughts, discussions, 'national borders' might not be the answer, as these go beyond 'nationalities' and 'borders' don't make real sense at all.

i don't have details on how to tag, and it could very well be food for thought for OUT-OF-THE-OLD-BOX.... and this is not going to be easy for those who have been comfortable with the old box.... LOL.
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The emails I get from ozzu letting me know that there is a new post on (insert subscribed post here) are very helpful. It'd be cool if I could simply reply to the email and have it post my reply to the topic.
As is, I do the following:
  • open email
  • click link
  • wait for page to load
  • scroll for days
  • write my reply
  • hit submit

Would love to cut that down:
  • open email
  • click reply
  • write my reply
  • hit send

Don't need to wait for browser to open, wait for page to load, or scroll to the bottom. That can take some time on long posts

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