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Post February 24th, 2004, 7:21 am

What's the ports collection?
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Post February 24th, 2004, 7:21 am

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Post February 24th, 2004, 10:45 am

rjmthezonenet wrote:
What's the ports collection?


Oh my. The finest creation known to man -- or woman. :)

Imagine installing source, including all dependencies using a single command.

There are presently over 10,000 ports.

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html for more information.

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Post February 26th, 2004, 7:42 am

Oh yes, that one definitely makes the Linux folk green with envy. Thanks. :-)
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Post February 28th, 2004, 1:44 am

I have red hat 7 (with windows) on my machine now, but once I get my new comptuer fixed i'll transfer all my windows stuff to the new machine, then clean my old machine and put freeBSD on it. maybe i'll put a few linux distros on my new machine as well as windows xp.
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Post March 2nd, 2004, 1:52 am

Ports are nice, but in Gentoo weve got EMERGE, and in Debian sth called APT. Its very powerful and simply.

Im using Debian, Gentoo and W2K for website checking (IE) or making REG for Wine :P
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Post July 25th, 2004, 4:15 pm

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Post August 17th, 2004, 7:13 pm

I started with Mandrake i was using that for about 3 years then i got my hands on RedHat and its hade everything i hated about mandrake.
I really never tried FreeBSD i sure its a great OS from what i heard.
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Post August 18th, 2004, 6:28 am

rainman wrote:
Ports are nice, but in Gentoo weve got EMERGE, and in Debian sth called APT. Its very powerful and simply.

Im using Debian, Gentoo and W2K for website checking (IE) or making REG for Wine :P

"Nice"? Hmmph. So nice, that apparently Gentoo is stealing the idea with, what do they call it again? Portages?
How many are there in Gentoo? There's nearly 12,000 ports for FBSD now.

Emerge, would be the Gentoo expression replicating the make install clean line for FBSD.

I think they are on the right track with Gentoo though; they are basically trying to build a FBSD box using linux. :) With the whole , build from source mentality. Good path, woefully behind. :)
One thing I do like is the automatic drop to CLI.. I mean, who want's GUI when you are using as a server?
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Post August 29th, 2004, 3:47 am

Daemonguy wrote:
How many are there in Gentoo? There's nearly 12,000 ports for FBSD now.


7,545 packages. (http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/)
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Post August 30th, 2004, 1:00 pm

BSD people always get upset about Gentoo copying Ports, but so what? it's a compliment to BSD more than anything. I'm currently battling with Gentoo (for my own amusement, not because it won't work). Plus, "12,000 vs 7,545", it should be quality over quantity. So long as whatever OS you choose has all the packages you need available (nb, for me, Linux does, BSD doesn't), what does it matter?
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Post August 30th, 2004, 6:48 pm

dyefade wrote:
BSD people always get upset about Gentoo copying Ports, but so what? it's a compliment to BSD more than anything. I'm currently battling with Gentoo (for my own amusement, not because it won't work). Plus, "12,000 vs 7,545", it should be quality over quantity. So long as whatever OS you choose has all the packages you need available (nb, for me, Linux does, BSD doesn't), what does it matter?


I am hardly "upset" as imitation *is* the highest form of flattery, to be sure.
I find it humorous that for years Linux users decried FBSD and its ports collection as an extraneous piece of fluff, only to now copy it in the end.
For that matter, FBSD's IP stack, its implementation of IPSEC and many more once scoffed at by the general Linux public all seem to be finding their way into various and sundry builds. What was once vilified, is now fashionable.
As for quantity vs. quality; why choose? When one build from source, they always have quality.
If perchance there is a piece of software specifically written for Linux, I simply choose to build *that* port, in BSD's compat mode.

Cheers.
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Post August 31st, 2004, 3:44 am

Isn't the red hat network kinda like the ports collection, where you just search for a package or program or whatever and install it, through the RHN application? or is ports that much different?
I am pretty sure I used it on red hat 7.1 but didn't install anything, just poked around, since I just wanted to install a new distro.

I wanted to install freeBSD I burned the CD, then went to install to find out my floppy drive is broken, then I had to pop open the case to try and move the jumper settings to allow cd to boot first (no option for cd to boot first in bios) then I closed the case back up and my comptuer won't work. lights/fans turn on, just nothing is happening.
Oh well it was an old computer, and I rerley used it.

But thanks to you Daemonguy for promoting freeBSD that I have a now broken computer : (
lol, I am just kidding, the computer was old and on its way to death anyways.
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Post August 31st, 2004, 5:02 am

Daemonguy wrote:
dyefade wrote:
BSD people always get upset about Gentoo copying Ports, but so what? it's a compliment to BSD more than anything. I'm currently battling with Gentoo (for my own amusement, not because it won't work). Plus, "12,000 vs 7,545", it should be quality over quantity. So long as whatever OS you choose has all the packages you need available (nb, for me, Linux does, BSD doesn't), what does it matter?


I am hardly "upset" as imitation *is* the highest form of flattery, to be sure.
I find it humorous that for years Linux users decried FBSD and its ports collection as an extraneous piece of fluff, only to now copy it in the end.
For that matter, FBSD's IP stack, its implementation of IPSEC and many more once scoffed at by the general Linux public all seem to be finding their way into various and sundry builds. What was once vilified, is now fashionable.
As for quantity vs. quality; why choose? When one build from source, they always have quality.
If perchance there is a piece of software specifically written for Linux, I simply choose to build *that* port, in BSD's compat mode.

Cheers.


Alright, don't take it personally! I think saying "BSD people" and "Linux people" are both too large generalisations. I recognise thaqt there is a lot of "nice" stuff in BSD, and much of it is only really starting to be adopted by Linux. But I'm sure it works boths ways (don't know enough about [F]BSD to think of examples, but given Linux's massively larger developer support (NOT A FLAME!), there surely will be. )

Like I said before, if the OS you're using does everything you want it to do well enough, don't worry about it! Still fun to argue though :twisted:
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Post August 31st, 2004, 6:20 am

dyefade wrote:


Alright, don't take it personally! I think saying "BSD people" and "Linux people" are both too large generalisations. I recognise thaqt there is a lot of "nice" stuff in BSD, and much of it is only really starting to be adopted by Linux. But I'm sure it works boths ways (don't know enough about [F]BSD to think of examples, but given Linux's massively larger developer support (NOT A FLAME!), there surely will be. )

Like I said before, if the OS you're using does everything you want it to do well enough, don't worry about it! Still fun to argue though :twisted:


Personally? Hardly.
In all my years with FBSD, I have yet to see an integral function migrate *from* any linux distribution *to* FBSD. There are, however, several third party binary packages which for one reason or another are made to work with linux and not FBSD. In those cases, FBSD has created the compat mode, and is able to run the vast majority of linux binaries.

The insanely large developmental arm of linux, is, IMHO a detriment to the distributions. It makes Linux so fragmented that the right arm doesn't know what the left is doing. There's a reason why most business environments are switching to Enterprise class Linux -- my company included. Less fragmentation resulting in greater core to core stability.
It's one thing to develop applications for an OS, but again, IMHO, having a finite core of developers who are responsible for rev to rev enhance the OS.

Cheers.
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