CSS effect and image links in IE 5.0

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Hey everyone,
I've been helping a friend of mine in putting a link effect on a personal web site.
I have been having a problem with IE 5.0.
The IE 5.0 seems to have some incompatibility problems and by clicking the link, it's not able to open it.
I have just made a very simple page to show how it works:

http://davgav.altervista.org/ozzu/ozzu.html

As you can see both links points on OZZU page ;-) but by using IE 5.0 and clicking on the image, it just doesn't work.
The image acts like a simple grafic and the page shows errors.
This as long as i have this effect on the image.
By a perfectly normal link, it works perfectly.

Can anyone help me to disable the effect on the image so that the link works properly?
I have tried some solutions read here in ozzu, but with poor results.
I cannot make those links work on IE 5.0

Can anyone help with that?

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You should be able to disable the effect by using an inline style on the image link. Have you tried:

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<a style="behavior: none" href="http://www.ozzu.com"><img src="donald.gif" border="0">


and it that doesn't work:

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<a style="behavior: none;filter: none" href="http://www.ozzu.com"><img src="donald.gif" border="0">


I'm a little curious as to why you're using height: 1px in the default style for your links. Is this related to your effect somehow? I'm not really familiar with CSS behaviors, but I'm wondering if setting the height to 1px isn't the thing that's causing the problem with IE 5 and the image link. Perhaps before trying to disable the effect you should just try removing that and see what happens.
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Interesting effect. Rich B suggested possibly the easiest solution. I suppose the other one would be to create two separate classes for the anchor tag - one for images and one for text.

I imagine you are aware of the fact that that's mostly a proprietary IE thing and "behavior" is only supported by IE 5.0 +, "cursor" at least by NS 6 and Opera 7, "filter" again only by IE, but from 4.0 +

In fact until this post, I never knew those existed.

To answer Rich B's question about the 1PX height, that is a positioning value, and appears to dictate when the Crosshares appear and disappear on mouseover -- you can see that for yourself. When you mouseover the text, if you go beyond 1 pixel in any direction, the mouse reverts to norm.
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Well the crosshairs should appear whenever you're over the element and disappear whenever you leave it, so I'm still not sure what the 1px has to do with it. If the height value expanded the size of the element then I could see how it might have an effect by enlarging the element and therefore the space in which the crosshairs would appear - I use a similar effect with display:block and line-height: xx to make css menu links that are all the same size. But I don't understand how setting it to a smaller value will have any effect, since the cursor should revert as soon as you leave the element anyway.
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I see what you're saying. I'm really curious about this myself since this is a new one on me. It appears that the crosshairs are only one pixel, so perhaps that's the determining factor?
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I just downloaded the files and tried removing the height value and the effects don't seem to work without it, I don't know why that is since I've never used the effects before, but I think separate classes for text and image links would be the way to go as you suggested unless it's just the one image.
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Yes, I have already tried both the solution you have proposed.

About the height:1px: I have found it "as it is" in various example on the net.
Like this ---> http://tutes.goddess-glow.com/css/linktrans.html

I have already tried removing the code above:

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a{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}


and in that way i have the image links to works in IE 5.0, so i think the way to solve my problem is disabling that effect on image links.
The curios thing is that i can obtain the same if i remove only the height:1px.

So, i have reduced the code above to something like this ( only for a test ):

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a{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;}


And the result is the same. The image link doesn't work. :cry:


RichB wrote:
I just downloaded the files and tried removing the height value and the effects don't seem to work without it, I don't know why that is since I've never used the effects before, but I think separate classes for text and image links would be the way to go as you suggested unless it's just the one image.


How can I do that?
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I hear ya RichB -- I just did the same and changed the pixel height. Didn't seem to be any difference.

I thought the .htc file was interesting as well...I'd never seen anything like that until now.

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<public:component>
<public:attach event="onmouseover" onevent="domouseover()">
<public:attach event="onmouseout" onevent="domouseout()">

<script language="javascript">

function domouseover()
{
with(element)
{
 filters.item(0).Apply();
 filters.item(0).Play();
}
}

function domouseout()
{
with(element)
{
 filters.item(0).Apply();
 filters.item(0).Play();
}
}

</script>

</public:component>
  1. <public:component>
  2. <public:attach event="onmouseover" onevent="domouseover()">
  3. <public:attach event="onmouseout" onevent="domouseout()">
  4. <script language="javascript">
  5. function domouseover()
  6. {
  7. with(element)
  8. {
  9.  filters.item(0).Apply();
  10.  filters.item(0).Play();
  11. }
  12. }
  13. function domouseout()
  14. {
  15. with(element)
  16. {
  17.  filters.item(0).Apply();
  18.  filters.item(0).Play();
  19. }
  20. }
  21. </script>
  22. </public:component>
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anubi wrote:

And the result is the same. The image link doesn't work. :cry:




Then make two separate anchor classes as I suggested above...one for text and one for images. Do the text one as you already have and make it class "effect" (or something creative)...then just leave your image class normal.
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It certainly sounds like the 1px height is causing the problem with IE 5. One option that I'm fairly certain would work would be to give the effect itself a class name and then selectively apply it to the text links where you want to have it.

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<!--
a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}
a:link, a:visited, a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
-->
  1. <!--
  2. a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}
  3. a:link, a:visited, a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  4. a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
  5. -->


and then apply the textEffect class:

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<p align="center"><a class="textEffect" href="http://www.ozzu.com">Text Link Example</a></p>


If you want to change the other aspects of the image links then create two entirely separate classes as ATNO/TW suggests:

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<!--
a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}
a.textEffect:link, a.textEffect:visited, a.textEffect:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a.textEffect:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}

a.imageLink{/* whatever properties you want for your image links */}
etc etc
-->
  1. <!--
  2. a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}
  3. a.textEffect:link, a.textEffect:visited, a.textEffect:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  4. a.textEffect:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
  5. a.imageLink{/* whatever properties you want for your image links */}
  6. etc etc
  7. -->


then use class="textEffect" for your text links and class="imageLink" for your links that have images inside them.
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ATNO/TW wrote:
anubi wrote:

And the result is the same. The image link doesn't work. :cry:




Then make two separate anchor classes as I suggested above...one for text and one for images. Do the text one as you already have and make it class "effect" (or something creative)...then just leave your image class normal.


The question is just that...
I'm not so expert and I doesn't know how exactly can I do that :cry:
Can you show me an example please?
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I tried the style class approach, but no joy. Here's what's happening with IE 5. You're getting an invalid arguement on line 20 in the effect.htc file:

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function domouseout()
{
with(element)
{
 filters.item(0).Apply();
 filters.item(0).Play();
}

}

*Added note
(filters.item(0).Apply(); is line 20)
  1. function domouseout()
  2. {
  3. with(element)
  4. {
  5.  filters.item(0).Apply();
  6.  filters.item(0).Play();
  7. }
  8. }
  9. *Added note
  10. (filters.item(0).Apply(); is line 20)


It appears the effect code has a compatability issue with IE 5 and may not be related to the CSS at all. I'm still curious about that Pixel height thing...
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yes, it's a very curious thing.

Infact if I reduce the code to:

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<!--
a{height:1px}
-->

<!--
a:link{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:visited{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
-->
  1. <!--
  2. a{height:1px}
  3. -->
  4. <!--
  5. a:link{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  6. a:visited{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  7. a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  8. a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
  9. -->


I have the link doesn't work
As if I remove only the "height:1px" from the line, the link works
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Yep -- it's definately a browser version conflict with the javascript - not the CSS. I just did up this small page here: http://atnopro.com/ozzu/test/test.html

Using the same instructions you had from here:
http://tutes.goddess-glow.com/css/linktrans.html

Works perfect on IE 6, but I get the same javascript error on IE 5 -- apparently it's not supported by older versions.
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I agree with you for the javascript errors.

But, as I wrote before I have tried to reduce the code ( for a test ) to only:

a{height:1px}

discarding of any "behavior" stuff there...

I have tried also to remove the .css file and adding:

style="heigth:1"

inside the <a> tag for the image link.
And in both cases that is sufficient to have the image link doesn't work.

I think there are 2 kinds of problems there:

1) the javascript errors for incompatibility with the old browsers
2) the "heigth:1px" that cause the image link doesn't work

It would be sufficient for me to have the link working, even if then there is the error

Do you think is impossible to have that? :(


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after this I go to bed... here is 4:35 a.m. :shock:
hope to read you tomorrow!
thanks again for your help!!! :wink:
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If you still want to use the effect and disable it for older versions you could try adding a little bit of code to the htc file to sniff the browser version. This isn't 100% reliable because some browsers allow you to change how they report themselves, but it should work in this case I think since any non-IE browsers are going to ignore the htc file anyway. I don't have anyway to test the modifications because I don't have access to anything older than IE 6 right now, but perhaps ANTO/TW can give it a try when he has a chance. It should disable the effect in anything older than IE6 as it is set now and you can change it to IE 5.5 and up by changing the if to if(is_ie5_5up). This would be the new code for the .htc file:

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<public:component>
<public:attach event="onmouseover" onevent="domouseover()">
<public:attach event="onmouseout" onevent="domouseout()">

<script language="javascript">
  var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
  var is_major = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
  var is_minor = parseFloat(navigator.appVersion);
  var is_ie   = ((agt.indexOf("msie") != -1) && (agt.indexOf("opera") == -1));
  var is_ie3  = (is_ie && (is_major < 4));
  var is_ie4  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 4")!=-1) );
  var is_ie4up = (is_ie && (is_major >= 4));
  var is_ie5  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 5.0")!=-1) );
  var is_ie5_5 = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 5.5") !=-1));
  var is_ie5up = (is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4);
  var is_ie5_5up =(is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4 && !is_ie5);
  var is_ie6  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 6.")!=-1) );
  var is_ie6up = (is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4 && !is_ie5 && !is_ie5_5);

function domouseover()
{
    if(is_ie6up)
    {
        with(element)
        {
            filters.item(0).Apply();
            filters.item(0).Play();
        }
    }
}

function domouseout()
{
    domouseover();
}

</script>

</public:component>
  1. <public:component>
  2. <public:attach event="onmouseover" onevent="domouseover()">
  3. <public:attach event="onmouseout" onevent="domouseout()">
  4. <script language="javascript">
  5.   var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
  6.   var is_major = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
  7.   var is_minor = parseFloat(navigator.appVersion);
  8.   var is_ie   = ((agt.indexOf("msie") != -1) && (agt.indexOf("opera") == -1));
  9.   var is_ie3  = (is_ie && (is_major < 4));
  10.   var is_ie4  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 4")!=-1) );
  11.   var is_ie4up = (is_ie && (is_major >= 4));
  12.   var is_ie5  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 5.0")!=-1) );
  13.   var is_ie5_5 = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 5.5") !=-1));
  14.   var is_ie5up = (is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4);
  15.   var is_ie5_5up =(is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4 && !is_ie5);
  16.   var is_ie6  = (is_ie && (is_major == 4) && (agt.indexOf("msie 6.")!=-1) );
  17.   var is_ie6up = (is_ie && !is_ie3 && !is_ie4 && !is_ie5 && !is_ie5_5);
  18. function domouseover()
  19. {
  20.     if(is_ie6up)
  21.     {
  22.         with(element)
  23.         {
  24.             filters.item(0).Apply();
  25.             filters.item(0).Play();
  26.         }
  27.     }
  28. }
  29. function domouseout()
  30. {
  31.     domouseover();
  32. }
  33. </script>
  34. </public:component>


The browser-sniffing code came from here:
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-develop ... _type.html

//edit

after reading your last post I think you would still have to use a separate class for the effect and apply it only to the textEffect to get around the height problem.

Try this for the content of your style sheet:
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a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}

a:link{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:visited{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}
  1. a.textEffect{cursor:crosshair;height:1px;behavior:url(effect.htc);filter:progid:dximagetransform.microsoft.gradientwipe(duration=1)}
  2. a:link{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  3. a:visited{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  4. a:active{COLOR:#8173D5; TEXT-DECORATION: none; font-weight: bold}
  5. a:hover{COLOR:#CCCCFF; TEXT-DECORATION: none; cursor: crosshair}


and this for the main html file:
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<html>
<head>
<title>test page</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="ozzu.css" type="text/css">

</head>
<body bgcolor=#000000>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
<p align="center"><a class="textEffect" href="http://www.ozzu.com">Text Link Example</a></p>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
<p align="center">

<a href="http://www.ozzu.com"><img src="donald.gif" border="0"></a>

</p>

</body>
</html>
  1. <html>
  2. <head>
  3. <title>test page</title>
  4. <link rel="stylesheet" href="ozzu.css" type="text/css">
  5. </head>
  6. <body bgcolor=#000000>
  7. &nbsp;
  8. &nbsp;
  9. <p align="center"><a class="textEffect" href="http://www.ozzu.com">Text Link Example</a></p>
  10. &nbsp;
  11. &nbsp;
  12. <p align="center">
  13. <a href="http://www.ozzu.com"><img src="donald.gif" border="0"></a>
  14. </p>
  15. </body>
  16. </html>


On an unrelated note, I don't think you want to have any <!-- comments in your external style sheet - those are only used in embedded style sheets that appear in the head portion of the html page itself.

Hopefuly, the browser-sniffing code will kill the javascript errors in older versions of IE and the separate css class will solve the height issue.

To save time I put the files on one of my websites where you can try them out to see if they cause the errors on IE 5: test files
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RichB - your sniffer worked perfectly to remove the script errors from IE5. And it did take the additional style class to get the image link to work right.

Here's the working link: http://atnopro.com/ozzu/test/test.html

The only difference was, I put the style internally to make it easier for anubi to view source, but the effect.htc file is exactly as you have it copied above.

And I agree -- he needs to get rid of the SGML comments in his external stylesheet. For anubi -- comments can be placed in the external style sheet, but they need to be done similar to this and should never surround the style code:

example
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/* $TopStyle:URL=http://davgav.altervista.org/ozzu/ozzu.css$ */
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Perfect!
I have tried to modify the pages with the last changes and now i could say everything is ok.

I don't know how to thank you for your help, you were just gorgeus!!! :lol:

I think i have found out something more about the annoying "height:1px". As we supposed it was that one that made the link "not working" at the image. So, as the site of my friend has more or less 80 pages, and only a few with this problem, i thought it was not necessary to insert a separate class for every text link. So i started to try other edit possibilities to define a separate class for the linked images leaving the one for the text as it was. I eventually got a result adding this:

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a.nofx{height:auto}


and inserting only class="nofx" in the image link.

This to complete what we were saying in the posts.
Again thank you for your help!

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Excellent idea. I'll have to remember that one. :)
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What a great thread and a fun exercise. Since it was totally new to me, I did a bit of research today on htc files and discovered it's a component designed specifically for DHTML. Here's what Microsoft has to say about it and "behaviors" -- pretty good reading:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/defau ... tb_ovw.asp
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This is the reason for which ozzu it is the best!
where you finds other helpers therefore? :lol:
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Yep! :thumbsup:
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anubi wrote:
This is the reason for which ozzu it is the best!
where you finds other helpers therefore? :lol:


I saw you struggling with this thread to get it the way you wanted it to sound, anubi. Trust me, I appreciate the fact that you're not perfect in English. Don't worry, you do way better than most who's first language is not English. I can always understand your posts.

If you're interested, the way I most likely would have said what you appeared to be trying to is "This is the reason that OZZU is the best! Where you find great help!"

Trust me, I couldn't even start a thread in Italian. I did take 3 years of Latin back in high school 27 years ago, but it doesn't help much other than to understand a few words.
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No problem with that ATNO/TW :wink:
I prefer to do a mistake in English and to have your corrections, rather than have you writing in italian :P ghghghghhgh :lol: :lol: :lol:
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however, thanks for every correction on my way to write :wink:
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Best I could do in Italian would be to use Alta Vista's Babel-Fish ( http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ), in which case my last post would come out like this in Italian:

Quote:
Li ho visti lottare con questo filetto per ottenergli il senso che lo avete desiderato suonare, anubi. Selo fidi di, io apprezzano il fatto che non siete perfetti in inglese. Non si preoccupi, voi fanno il senso più meglio di la maggior parte che abbia prima lingua non è inglese. Posso capire sempre i vostri alberini. Se siete interessati, il senso avrebbero detto molto probabilmente che a che cosa siete sembrato provare è "questo è la ragione per cui OZZU è il la cosa migliore! Dove trovate grande aiutare!" Selo fidi di, io non potrebbe neppure iniziare un filetto in italiano. Ho preso 3 anni di Latino indietro in High School 27 anni fa, ma non aiuta molto tranne a capire alcune parole.


I have no clue how close that translates, but it would be the best I could do.
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Post 3+ Months Ago

muahauahauahauahauah :lol:
It's the same I use when I am not sure of what I want to write!!! :lol:

... and the results it's maybe the same :wink:

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