Fonts... Why arent more supported?

(Only when I'm not swigging beer and burping (kidding)

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As far as standard fonts go, verdana 10pt ROCKS. Its just so nice and easy to read. I believe the fonts on this forum are verdana 10pt.

I've never used a non standard font on any websites, to do so is pretty much insane, not many people will download it unless they are a regular visitor to the site.

I agree there could be more standard fonts available - and ones that are the same right across from PC's to macs.... i think the developers just like to be pains in the butts to us developers and designers.

Nonononononononoooo

Ok, let us please get this straight. You embed a font on your page. The font file is linked using css. The user DOES NOT have to download and install the font. The data for the font is sent to the users machine and is stored in the cache. When the cache gets emptied the font goes.

Nothing gets installed. If you go to a page with a fancy font, you won't be able to use that font in any other application. It is just another file that is downloaded with the page, like a .css or .js file. You don't get asked whether you want to download it.

Also, think about it. If you had to install the font, wouldn't this knock cross platform compatibillity right out?

and about verdana, JrzyCrim directed me to the link below to do with verdana and why it isn't quite so great lol:



I won't be using verdana anymore....

pffft... I design my pages to look the way *I* want 'em to look. If other people can't see my site exactly as I do, and exactly as I want them to (and with 90% of the world still using IE - or at least some windows browser - most of them do), then that's not my problem

Sure Axe for the people YOU design sites for its ok to think like that.

However the same cant be preached to everyone Most of my sites are education websites where IT labs still use 800x600 and run IE4 or Netscape.


This website http://www.themilkfactory.co.uk/main/index.php uses a font I think only I and a hand full of designers have called "small fonts" but to you lot it will show as Verdana in the drop down menu. "small fonts" look well smart

rtm223 Verdana is fantastic!

Well, the whole point of CSS is so that people see the pages exactly as the designer intended - Just like magazines, newspapers & printed media that's been in use for years. So, it's not just MY sites where users seeing the site as I do is required. (So, we're not talking about CSS, but we are talking about end-users seeing the same page as the designer).

You don't see a magazine differently to the way somebody else does just because your eye-colour is different - although someody viewing it wearing glasses (another browser) may see things slightly differently

So, I design my sites to be viewed the same on somebody else's screen as they are on mine.

On one of my sites, I use a font called Matchworks. It's a pixel font, nice n' neat. It's not installed with Windows by default, and I used Micro$oft WEFT to embed it in the site.

Internet Explorer users can view the font as I do. They don't have to view another font just because the one I used isn't on their system by default.

If other browsers can't see it... well, like I said, that's not my prblem.

90-95% of the visitors on the 30 or so sites I admin are using Internet Explorer, so that's what I have to design for. I still use Verdana as the main font on all of the sites, and the embedded fonts I rarely use - and when I do it's just in small areas of the pages, like maybe a navbar across the top.

I design for IE, but I still attempt to make it look the same in other browsers wherever possible.

ouch.

Oh No! I didn't mean to start a war! I knew I shouldn't of mentioned verdana. Personally, I don't mind verdana. I posted that link just to offer up some info to consider when using verdana.

I just found it as useful information and thought I would spread the word The fact that it is such a different size to other fonts, combined with :

suggest that it is a bad choice of font.

To be honest I'm not quite so sure why verdana is so aesthetically pleasing to start with (now I've probably started a war ). It's just another sans-serif font, isn't it??


just as some handy info back on topic:


It doesn't work on netscape, although there is an alternative method of embedding fonts that can be used with netscape/mozzilla. It uses a different file type and different css method (which is handy as your browser only downloads the file it needs). I don't know how dificult it would be to get the same font in both file formats though....