Frames vs No Frames

DONT USE THEM it was kinda ok to offer the choice mid 90's but not now.

just stick to no frames you will be much better off.

I say no to frames. too many other options to not have to use them

SECOND REFOCUS POST.

HELLO!>?!???? Can't anyone read here? Sonire posted this:



The point is "I already have a huge site with frames" -- Sonire is asking for a way for visitors to make an easy choice for frames or against....not opinions on why frames are bad. Think about it. Sonire is asking for help on combning the two options and apparently intends to redesign a non-frames version of the site. If anyone has a better suggestion than Tom the Great (who obviously read the question) gave, speak now or forever hold your peace.

well then just have an index page that says

Choose frames

or

No frames

and have a link to either section of the site.

yeah just take off the text that says "choose frames"

joke

All of us read the topic, and most of us gave good advice. Giving "cheap-hack" advice is one thing. Yeah, it might answer the question, but it inadvertedly puts a stamp of approval on a poor practice.

If a 14 year old asked the question, "what's the best funnel for guzzling beer", you'd answer, "Don't guzzle beer! You're 14 years old for god-sake!" So, why is it any different if a 14 (or 16 or 18 or 21) year old kid asks what's the best way for users to choose frames or not. It's still a bad practice.

I really don't get what the big deal is of going off-topic. Relax! Yeah, it's a big deal to go way-the-heck off topic, but topics evolve, the answer has already been given, and the conversation has continued. What's the harm?

As far as the actual question is concerned, musik gave the only answer that was needed. "Choose frames or no frames." Bravo.

And another thing worth mentioning: the title of this thread is "frames vs. no frames". In my opinion, we have had a good discussion on just that.

OK...touche, gsv2com, to a point. Perhaps I'm looking at it from a different point of view. I'm thinking about what he said in the post. I'm asking myself, OK...I have a website I inherited that's "large" and is done in frames. I'm going to assume that I already have a bnch of visitors that have it bookmarked. I'm also thinking I remember I have an email account. Skip that -- I have about 15 different email accounts on three different hosts and one of them offers a choice of frames or not, wheras the other two are frames and I have no choice. Guess which option I choose with the third one. The frames option. Why? because I'm used to it and comfortable with it. Does that help make my point clear?

Those of you who know me, know I oppose frames. Personally I hate them, but I'm about to do a frame version of a site because I need to to make it work like it needs to. Frames aren't evil, but they are very difficult to do well. And on a normal basis I would be the first to agree to nix them.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, we are conversing amongst ourselves. Has anyone asked themselves why the originator of the post hasn't responded at all? I asked myself that question a couple times and thought perhaps it was because the replies in this post didn't provide the solution needed. That's why I took the route I did with my replies.

ooo ooo i forgot to mention this too - if you go to this post
http://www.ozzu.com/website-design-forum/instead-frames-what-you-use-t19323.html
i mention how on a clients site i did away with the frames that were on there (at the time whats what they wanted) and eventually i created a menu which was easily updating in one single file which updates all pages. I had to do a little tweaking to get the menu in there (basically just a few breaks to fit it in)

anyhoo might be of some help as an option for something else to use if you so desire

if you are interested i can tell you how to turn that framed site into a non framed site fairly easily using dreamweaver