please please help with page display problem

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I have created a web using Frontpage, I purchased a domain name from easily.co.uk and forwarded it to my server using their free web space, however the domain name does not show on any other page except the first page (and the name changes back to the servers address if I go to another page then return to the first page). I contacted easily.co.uk who said the following

The problem seems to be due to the way how your web pages are being programmed as far as I can see you are using some JavaScript which may well be breaking the frames as our web forwarding service is frames based as such our forwarding system cannot be altered and our redirect frame for web forwarding occupies the top frame.

In order to resolve this you can either change your coding on your web pages (please be aware that we do not offer web-development support), or get hosting directly 'behind' the domain name instead of using forwarding.

Also note that we do not provide any coding support and therefore not in a position to give you any such help

As I am new to web pages I wondered if anyone could look at my website and see if there is anything I can do to correct this - http://www.destinysmoonwithin.co.uk

Any help would be appreciated.
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Please do not cross-post your threads. Posting in a single forum is adequate.

You said that they are "forwarding" to your true location. You will actually need real hosting, with a virtualhost setup on the hosting site, and the WHOIS records pointing to the appropriate DNS servers.
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Well, they did give you the correct answer:

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The problem seems to be due to the way how your web pages are being programmed as far as I can see you are using some JavaScript which may well be breaking the frames as our web forwarding service is frames based as such our forwarding system cannot be altered and our redirect frame for web forwarding occupies the top frame.


I didn't take a close look at what they are talking about in your code, but it's obvious you are using domain forwarding it appears that your javascript breaks from that and thus displays the host where the page actually is vs. displaying your name.
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can you tell me more please about virtual webhosting - will I just be able to upload the site or do I need to change every page. However, my brother has site using the same server and domain name seller and the name in the address bar is correct on his pages.
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Easy enough. You are breaking out of their frameset every time you include target="_top" in all your links.

You must remove that target from all links in order to not break out of their frameset.

Example:

You must change <a target="_top" href="zodiac_area.htm">
To this instead.... <a href="zodiac_area.htm">

You must repeat this with every link if you do not want to break out of the frameset they use to mask your true URL of http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.wilson47/ and if you want to keep the http://www.destinysmoonwithin.co.uk/ destination in the address bar of the browser.

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The sound/music embedding technique you are using will only play sound/music in MSIE browser. Other major browsers play no sound/music at all. If you are interested in correct cross-browser music embedding, then let me know and I'll tell you what needs to be changed.
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In addition, you must completely remove <base target="_top"> from each and every page at your site that contains that line. You cannot target the "top" at all if you want to prevent your pages from breaking out of their frameset.
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LOL!!! Looks like somebody just merged 2 threads into one. My previous 2 responses were in direct response to the one and only post in this thread at that time... the initial post by natrul.

:)

But now that other posts have been merged into this one thread, 2 things...

1. My first 2 responses of course will still apply if you continue to use a URL redirection service (as you are using now).

2. If you go with Axe's solution of obtaining a "real" hosting service, instead of URL redirection service (now in use), then none of the changes I indicated will be needed.
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First of all you're on the right track I don't want to change to a "real" hosting server.
Secondly I changed everything you said and it works when I click all the links but when I try to return to the home page the url changes back the http://www.janet.wilson etc not http://www.destinysmoonwithin.

thanks so far
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natrul wrote:
First of all you're on the right track I don't want to change to a "real" hosting server.
Secondly I changed everything you said and it works when I click all the links but when I try to return to the home page the url changes back the http://www.janet.wilson etc not http://www.destinysmoonwithin.

thanks so far

None of your pages will change back to the true URL if indeed you removed target="_top" from each and every page. This is also true of pressing the "back" button on your browser as well as clicking on all properly changed links in your pages.

Let me go and maneuver through your site quickly and then post back....
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I really appreciate your help - this has been giving me a headache for over a week now.

I'm not very good with html (as you might have noticed!!)
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Errr.... everything seems to be working fine right now. I don't think you've missed anything. Completely refresh the page(s) in your browser (CTRL+F5) in case you are viewing "cached" pages. Also, completely empty your internet cache, and repeat that procedure.

Now.... are you interested at all in getting your MIDI background music to be able to be heard in other browsers besides MSIE browser? If not, I will not post the "fix" for you. If so, let me know and I'll post the proper coding for you to replace the MSIE-specific coding you now use.
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All the links seem to be working except the home buttons on the top of each page (the home link on the bottom of the pages work fine).

I am interested in the music "fix" - thanks very much for all your help.
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I removed the link on the fun & links page and reset it and it now works - so it looks like I'll need to change it on all the pages.


Thanks again for all your help.
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Nunzio390 wrote:
LOL!!! Looks like somebody just merged 2 threads into one. My previous 2 responses were in direct response to the one and only post in this thread at that time... the initial post by natrul.

:)



Yeah -- sorry, if it was confusing. We prefer not to have crossposts here -- it just gets overly confusing as you saw. Anyway -- it looks as though you've nicely provided the solution. Thanks for the help here.
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Ahhh, ATNO...

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We prefer not to have crossposts here -- it just gets overly confusing as you saw. Anyway -- it looks as though you've nicely provided the solution. Thanks for the help here

LOL. Yeah. I know that. I often merge threads at the Winamp forums. :)
And thanks!


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All the links seem to be working except the home buttons on the top of each page (the home link on the bottom of the pages work fine).

I am interested in the music "fix" - thanks very much for all your help.


That is because you've missed those links (for the home button), and still have the home button targeting the "top"....

Example:

This....
<a target="_top" title="Home" href="index.htm">
<img border="0" src="images/home.gif" width="53" height="55" style="position: absolute; left: 7; top: 9"></a>


Must be changed to this...
<a title="Home" href="index.htm">
<img border="0" src="images/home.gif" width="53" height="55" style="position: absolute; left: 7; top: 9"></a>


Go ahead and remove target="_top" from ALL links at your site, as I indicated earlier.

I have to leave for awhile now. My niece just arrived. I'll post back later with the proper MIDI embedding code that you can use that will work with all browsers.
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Everything seems to be working fine - except the home button (and a couple of pics) which say "no id" - does anyone know what this means and how I can fix it. Ta
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I'm off to bed now but I will change them all in the morning thanks again - I look forward to receiving the proper midi embedding code tomorrow!! thanks again you've cured one headache for now!!!!

Thanks
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Good morning. I hope you had a Happy Easter! :) My niece left too late last night so I couldn't post till now.

Anyway, let's get your MIDI files to play identically across all major browsers. I will only reference the MIDI file on the first (home) page of your site, but you can apply the same code I'm about to show you to any other page at your site that contains MIDI background music.

Before I continue with the coding, I must say this... having sound/music that auto-plays "invisibly" in the background without giving the site visitor the option to control the music is very annoying to say the least and may drive a lot of visitors away from your site. People don't like music "forced" on them and prefer some control over music. Their volume levels may be preset and then suddenly MIDI music changes their volume levels and BLASTS them when they visit your site. They then find there is no way to even control the volume without having to do so manually either with speaker controls or their volume controls for their MIDI sequencer in Windows itself. This is especially true of MIDI files, as opposed to other music formats. Anyway, the site visitor is "stuck" with 1 of 2 choices at that point...

1. Go nuts to try and lower the volume or even mute the sound manually on their end so that they may continue browsing your site
2. Get the hell out of Dodge and run to another site where they are not faced with this annoyance


Anyway, on to the coding...

This is the IE proprietary code for the MIDI background music that you have within your <head></head> tags right now on your home page...

<bgsound src="music/bjorn_lynne-the_faery_woods1.mid" loop="-1">

You must completely remove that from within your <head></head> tags and instead use Windows Media Player object and embed controls (for cross-browser compatability), to allow your MIDI files to play identically across all major browsers (eg: MSIE, Netscape/Mozilla, and Opera browsers).

Now... I will first show you coding similar to what I use at my site, whereby the site visitor has full player controls to start/stop music and also control volume levels. The only difference in the code I'm about to show you is that all music at my site does not auto-start and instead requires user intervention to press the "play" button to start music there. The code I will provide you for your site will cause the music to auto-start (as it now does), but will also provide full player controls for the site visitor.

OK... after removing the IE proprietary code for the MIDI background music that you have within your <head></head> tags, you need to place this code anywhere after your <body> tag, at a point in your page that you want the music player controls to appear...

<object id="MediaPlayer1" classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95" codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft Windows® Media Player components..." type="application/x-oleobject" width="
280" height="46">
<param name="fileName" value="
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.wilson47/music/bjorn_lynne-the_faery_woods1.mid">
<param name="animationatStart" value="true">
<param name="transparentatStart" value="true">
<param name="autoStart" value="true">
<param name="showControls" value="true">
<param name="Volume" value="-300">
<embed type="application/x-mplayer2" pluginspage="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/" src="
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.wilson47/music/bjorn_lynne-the_faery_woods1.mid" name="MediaPlayer1" width=280 height=46 autostart=1 showcontrols=1 volume=-300>
</object>


OK... notice above that some things are repeated twice (bolded in red). This is necessary for cross-browser support. The first thing that is repeated twice are the width and height values of the player controls that the site visitor can both see and use. The second thing that is repeated twice is the full path to the MIDI file that sits at your server. In your case you must use the full path, especially since you are using a URL redirection service to mask the true URL of your site.

Use the exact same code as above where you want a MIDI file to play at any other page at your site, but you must change the 2 instances of the full path to the URL to point specifically to the MIDI file that needs to be played on that particular page.
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NOW....

If you prefer to keep the music playing in the background (as you have it now), and do not care about it being annoying to your site visitors, I will reluctantly show you how to apply the same cross-browser code, allowing the music to remain hidden and auto-playing in the background. :(

With reluctance, I now show you that code...

<object id="MediaPlayer1" classid="CLSID:22d6f312-b0f6-11d0-94ab-0080c74c7e95" codebase="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
standby="Loading Microsoft Windows® Media Player components..." type="application/x-oleobject" width="
1" height="1">
<param name="fileName" value="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.wilson47/music/bjorn_lynne-the_faery_woods1.mid">
<param name="animationatStart" value="true">
<param name="transparentatStart" value="true">
<param name="autoStart" value="true">
<param name="showControls" value="true">
<param name="Volume" value="-300">
<embed type="application/x-mplayer2" pluginspage="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/MediaPlayer/" src="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/janet.wilson47/music/bjorn_lynne-the_faery_woods1.mid" name="MediaPlayer1" width=
1 height=1 autostart=1 showcontrols=1 volume=-300>
</object>


In order to "hide" the music player, all you need to do in the above code is change both the width and height values to 1 pixel only (indicated in red above). This will give the same result that you now have on your pages... a hidden "background" music source, whereby the site visitor has no control over the music, and is faced with an annoyance.

OK. That's all there is to it.

Take care,
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The web page seems to be working fine now - thanks for the code for the music files. I was looking how to turn the music on and off manually so this is a great help - will change it later this week. Thank you again for all your help.
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Yer welcome :)
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A few weeks ago you helped us to solve a few probs with our web page and you also gave us a code for turning music on the site on and off. Is there anyway that we can use an on/off button instead of the media player icon that was included in your code.

One that we found was this one but it doesn't seem to work without opening media player first

<form method="get" action="http://URL.mid"><input type="submit" value="Music On/Off" text="blue"></font>

we would like a button or drop down menu similar to this if its possible.

web site is http://www.destinysmoonwithin.co.uk

any help would be appreciated
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can anybody help with above pl
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Er... the only thing I can think of right now is using flash...
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i found the below code and it is the button im looking for for my web page. When I insert it into my page and try to use the button I get an error message saying media player can't open this file (the music plays but the message comes when trying to turn it off). Do I need any more code to use this type of button. Is it possible for someone to look at my homepage and see if I can change the current button to the one shown below

<form method="get" action="http://URL.mid"><input type="submit" value="Music On/Off" text="blue"></font>

web address http://www.destinysmoonwithin.co.uk

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