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http://expatsworld.sytes.net/

hey all come join this site and tell me how slow it loads thanks, or if there are errors, especially in IE
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You really need to pick a color scheme (every color you can imagine is not a color scheme). You won't get a vary in depth review from me since I couldn't handle looking at the page for very long.

I would however, like to point out, that most community sites receive use because they are about a specific topic. I can't tell what your's is about so as a user I have no reason to take the time to join just so I can have another forum membership.
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hey thanks, why did u say there is no color scheme ?? its green and black ;)

and the middke section says expats
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its green and black and slate blue and purple and red and pink and grey and light blue green and greenish yellow and...

I'm not talking about just the forum software your using its the page as a whole.
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LOL the forum software allows me to quickly get content up and going quickly and still allow template editing ;)

the scheme is green and black the colors are for items that should be highlighted like the menus ;)

EDIT: and yeah i can understand why you say this coz your site is way to dark or my monitor needs to be replaced !!
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I'm not expert but here it goes:

Logo - Dated, no one really uses animated rainbows anymore. The font is a little over the top. If possible a really good logo incorporates some of the subject into it.

Speaking of subject, I can't tell what the site is about. But I see something about employers and vacancies. And a bunch of pictures. That look like they are advertising tourism...

Color scheme - There's no logic it. You have a rainbow logo, on a dark blue bg, then purple nav on a gray bg, then pink, then another gray with gray and red text, then some sort of pattern with blue and green, then when you rollover what i believe are the "main" areas, you get a satin rose patterned bg. Then some black and a little more pink. Then more purple and blue text. I think I had a seizure half way down the page. Not sure, there was a small pool of drool on my arm, only logical explanation.

Typography - Too small, too many colors, too many fonts and nothing substantial tying the site and the text together.

Radio - ??? Not sure why you have a radio. If I could understand what the site is about, might make things more clear to me.

Then under the logo you have the name of the site again. Both take me back to the homepage, good idea to have that, but it's reduntant to have so close to each other. And for some reason in FF, when I hover over the bottom one the page shifts a little. Not sure if this was intentional.

All the rollovers - not sure why you have so many and why they show up as patterns. NOT Good.

I would suggest using a template of some sort and customizing it. Or not. But this is far from todays web standards. And maybe you are trying to make it very unique, but instead it's just confusing. I can't see why someone would want to come back. I didn't hit all the pages, only because everything is so hard on the ideas and the few I did hit, I couldn't figure out what was going on. I'd say a redo is in order. Sorry. But I hope this helps you if you are serious about web design. Can I make one more suggestion? Post your site here: http://www.kirupa.com and see what kind of response you get. Only reason I say that is I notice that a lot more highly skilled designers and developers will take the time to go thru it. This site is really nice, but I notice that more novice users respond with comments like "good design" and "looks great to me". And this won't help you in the long run. GOOD luck!
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lol what do you have against colorization??

why not gave a radio?? huh??

what do you think rollovers are about?? maybe they signify clickable link areas?

its a fun page, its got colors, radio, multimedia

each section might even change skin colors LOL

WHAT ABOUT THE SPEED !!!

WE KNOW THE 2 OF YOU LIKE 2-COLOR PAGES BUT THE SPEED MIGHY MAKE ME CHANGE lol

KARUPA WONT LET ME POST
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lol AND on the shoutbox the users CAN use any color text as you want !! :D

edit: i do have an annoucement post to tell what we are all about; its like the ABOUT US link LOL

do i need to describe on the front?
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If I were mistaken I would think that you are on the defense. There is nothing wrong with colorization. That's not the problem. But you can't use ever color of the rainbow. It looks extremely unprofessional. Just like when you purchas a car. Typically it's one or two colors on the outside and the interior might contrast it.
Why not a radio? I have nothing against bells and whistles. But how is it relevant to the site? That's all I'm saying. And YES! YOU NEED TO TELL WHAT THE SITE IS ABOUT ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE!!! If not in words, visually! THAT IS LIKE LESSON #1 in web design. You have to make it obvious or people may think they are in the wrong place and never come back. Actually I don't see an "About Us" Link. Is this a joke? Am I being PUNKE'D? Where's Aston? Kirupa won't let you post? I wonder why. I think this a joke, where a guy puts together a site that he knows is bad, just to see how many reactions he can get. You got me! LOL. I was just about to address the rollover thing....Luckily I caught on before the carpal tunnel in my wrist starting acting up. Good show mate! Now we've all had a good laugh. On to more "real" reviews!
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KARUPA WONT LET ME POST


Thats funny. I decided to test Zaiah's theory about the reviews on kirupa and they let me post. In fact it seems like the 3 reviews rule makes it harder to post on this site than kirupa which has no such rule. Maybe your site exceeded the maximum number of allowed colors?
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LOL i don't know i signed up ages ago and they closed their review forum so i don't know.

As for being defensive NONE at all; i am always receptive to constructive criticism, noticed my use of smilies ;)

Are you really hired by an ad agency? ;)

1. the rainbow color banner is irrelevant even if u think it was the middle ages symbolism; if you had said it was too large and slow loading i would have taken notice

2. Why not have a radio ?? what does that have to do with design ?? I don't know, many expats wanna send a cheerio and dedications to loved one at home

cheer up ;)

that site can provide info at great rate then any you can make ;)
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btw Ozzu is colorful ;)

see their menu on the right ;)

each category has a color
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LOL i don't know i signed up ages ago and they closed their review forum so i don't know.

As for being defensive NONE at all; i am always receptive to constructive criticism, noticed my use of smilies ;)

Are you really hired by an ad agency? ;)

1. the rainbow color banner is irrelevant even if u think it was the middle ages symbolism; if you had said it was too large and slow loading i would have taken notice

2. Why not have a radio ?? what does that have to do with design ?? I don't know, many expats wanna send a cheerio and dedications to loved one at home

cheer up ;)

that site can provide info at great rate then any you can make ;)


Hey. I keep saying I'm not going to respond and here I am again...I just can't let this die. Okay. The review forum is still up. I only suggested it because there are some people on the site that will be brutally honest. I notice here that some of the gurus won't take a look or make a comment if your site is not up to a certain level. <HINT>
Not sure who the ad agency question was geared at...
I just said it looks dated. The site has some similar qualities to some of the sites I have seen on "Worst Sites of All Times", ie. the rainbow logo. <HINT> ANd why did you switch it on every page? Consistency is important in good web design. It doesn't have to be boring to be good <CLUE> :)
And I'm happy. It's sunny outside, the weather's nice, I'm getting paid today and I've taken my meds :) :) :)

Can you do this provide a list of your favorite sites and compare them to what you have created. Or even look in some of the galleries of the top rated sites, whether they are CSS or Flash and just really look at them and maybe you will see what we are talking about. Use some of them to inspire your work.

Still not sure exactly what the site is about. Is it about people that are removed from their countries or away from their homelands?

Why not a radio? Bandwidth issues. Music selection not everyone likes the same stuff. You'd be suprised how many sites I won't go back to because I hate the music (example http://tyrabanks.com/). If you want to keep people coming back you have to keep these things in mind. Just because you like something doesn't mean other people will and keep coming back. And that is the whole point of a website. TRAFFIC <CLUE>

That last comment about it provides info at a rate faster than any I could make...I think that really bugs me. Because for one, this is a template forum that you've butchered. Someone else's work. You didn't build this from scratch or hand code it. So how can you take credit for it? Secondly, if it looks bad and is hard to navigate and find what you want, no one will care how fast it loads. <CLUE> If I didn't know any better I would think you were trying to challenge me to a web design showdown! :) Again I'm far from an expert but I've built a few sites some with tables, some from scratch with all CSS and I'm working on a Flash site that I'm building from the ground up.

SIDENOTE - Your rollover on that top nav looks really weird. Like the background is off or something.

Good luck! :)
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Looks like you are the one challenging, yes the menu is off a bit but can be changed (not quite) easily at the moment.

As they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"; Worst all times is a list for smartarses to !#$ to ;)

AND speed is the ALL encompassing factor. And yeas we would like to see YOUR masterpieces LOL

AS a CMS we dont need to have AN ABOUT US page on the front

LOL, the moment you said radio; i knew you knew jack all

EDIT: of course i can take credit for it, its basis is like all forum designs but why is mine different ;)
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Not sure if we are having a communication problem because of language differences or what. Your English is not the greatest and it's hard to understand what you are saying. Like you are missing a word or two in your sentences. I understand the struggle, as English is not my first language either. But you are totally missing the points that either of has made. And again, it seems like you are in your feelings about the whole thing.

And I can't call this a masterpiece, but I think it is reflective of current web design trends: http://bodybalanceliving.com/

And again I would just say look at the sites that art "hot" and look at some of the free tutorials out here. Some are really useful.
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next time if the site is dark then at least get a dark skin to compare
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zaiah wrote:
Not sure if we are having a communication problem because of language differences or what. Your English is not the greatest and it's hard to understand what you are saying. Like you are missing a word or two in your sentences. I understand the struggle, as English is not my first language either. But you are totally missing the points that either of has made. And again, it seems like you are in your feelings about the whole thing.

And I can't call this a masterpiece, but I think it is reflective of current web design trends: http://bodybalanceliving.com/

And again I would just say look at the sites that art "hot" and look at some of the free tutorials out here. Some are really useful.



one of the oldest troll techniques: have nothing to say so just attack the usage of language
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You really should choose fonts more carefully, the glittering website title doesn't look well.

The part with "Expats World Community" occupies a lot of space.

And one more thing I do not like - ads location - it seems not though-out.
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Ok then what should i use for the font on the logo?? What type of logo suits a fun site besides rainbow colored LOL

some said about the size of the font previously but it at 12px already and i should leave it up to the viewers t use the browser to rezise the fonts
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zaiah wrote:
Not sure if we are having a communication problem because of language differences or what. Your English is not the greatest and it's hard to understand what you are saying. Like you are missing a word or two in your sentences. I understand the struggle, as English is not my first language either. But you are totally missing the points that either of has made. And again, it seems like you are in your feelings about the whole thing.

And I can't call this a masterpiece, but I think it is reflective of current web design trends: http://bodybalanceliving.com/

And again I would just say look at the sites that art "hot" and look at some of the free tutorials out here. Some are really useful.




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Not attacking "the usage of language", but the only logical explanation for this "misunderstanding" in my eyes is that we are having a comminucation breakdown. I say something, you misunderstand, you say something and I misunderstand :) It's okay. It happenings. Best of luck to you with your site.
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Just so people know, the logo with the rainbow colored lights is designed to have a Graffiti feel. Its not supposed to have a classical headline journal font, and so a handwriting feel was the aim.

and its a CMS, its modified for quick volume management and not masterpiece single pages. Quick, functional and yet appealing.
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I understand the principles behind what you are trying to do. I guess I'm just suggesting some changes to make it more appealing :) So that your visitors will really want to sign up and keep coming back. :)
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admit it, you love me LOL

dont get enough attention in real life ?? ;)
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admit it, you love me LOL

dont get enough attention in real life ?? ;)


LOL. I get so much that I thought I'd give you some :) Dude stop already. Until after you do an update. Or we'll run out of things to talk about.
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well apart from the fact that i have been toying with ya ?
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Let me know when you update :)
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menu is better ;)

might have to do my own rollover images LOL
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ok slight modification, see if it flows better

the menus are a bit wonky atm, hehe

feel free to cut it apart, but nicely LOL
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the loading speed is great but the site falls apart rather badly in IE6. it will take some fixing.........

I see from the above comments that you're quite fond of your all-colors-under-the-sun scheme but I have to say visually I find it frustrating...... there's a bit of a science to matching colors. Not just everything goes together :D

that said, of course if you like it - keep it. good luck anyhow!!
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what do u mean falling apart in IE6, i am working hard for that @#$% browser....

screenie please
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ok I'll try to get you one tomorrow...... not in range of IE6 right now :D

edit (tomorrow :D ) - I'm so sorry, I just checked again and it does look the same in IE 6 as in mozilla.... I just assumed when I saw all those lines and the rollover effect on the three big boxes (community site map, etc) not reaching the bottom of the box I thought it's bound to be IE's fault... sorry, really - didn't mean to be snarky or anything. I just thought it wasn't supposed to look like that.

In truth I've got to say the site is awful busy. my eye doesn't know where to go first, there's so many lines and colors and rollovers everywhere I just get lost. also why doesn't the abovementioned rollover effect reach the bottom of those 3 large boxes? that definitely looks like an error. also at times the rollover image gets lost somehow (this again in IE, don't know how it looks in other browsers) and leaves just black. sometimes the black is in the background of all boxes, and sometimes the black appears instead of the rollover effect.

also when I highlight the first box (community site map) when the rollover is working - I wish it wasn't because I can't make out any of the pale green/ bluish letters against that strong hazy pink satiny rollover.

you really could afford to get rid of some of that clutter..........

additional edit: on the 'shoutbox' page (whatever that is) the light gray text on grass green background really made my head hurt. it's painful to try to make out the letters. oh and how do you get back to the homepage once you're inside? I couldn't find a 'home' link........
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hey, one person did make an interesting suggestion and i tested it ; check it out , she got it right !!! tell me whats it is ;)

And like all forums the navigation is in the breadcrumbs and the "colorful" menu at the top, you surely didnt miss that ;)

and yeah the rollover image isnt long enough but i thought i blends in with the gradient ;)
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don't see no gradient - rollover image cuts and the rest of the background is black, from where I'm sittin'.

damned if I'm reading through all that again for an interesting suggestion though... whatever it is glad you liked it

edit: here's a screenshot - tell me that's just the way you like it and I surrender...
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whats your resolution??? 800x600?

i know what you getting at, but it s not my main priority the roll-over background. there s stuff in front to keep people occupied

I am more concerned with why the first box is way taller than the other 2
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1024x768, on my work computer. I've got a 20-incher at home but that's not the point - presumably you want to check how the site looks in less than ideal circumstances...
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i know what you getting at, but it s not my main priority the roll-over background. there s stuff in front to keep people occupied

I am more concerned with why the first box is way taller than the other 2 boxes? why does it do that on a pretty wide screen u mentioned?

Or did you cancel the loading of the page
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nope, it loaded all the way, and it looked like that. must admit i hadn't spotted that error from home. no idea what could have done it.

edit: I tried reloading it now and it looks alright, that box. maybe it was just something in my connection that didn't let it load right that one time.

I'd still advise you to get some design advice somewhere. I get that you really like it the way it is, but honest to god, most people won't. I say this with the best intentions in the world........
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well thanks for the screenie, rollover images were getting over 10k so i dint want to make them larger for height thats arbitrary

can u check again to see if IE loads all boxes at the same height?
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the menu rollovers have to be redone, I accept LOL

and the contrast of font colors to make it more legible

to me there is something not quite there; i don't know if i should narrow the whole thing

But you said it s too busy? it doesnt have the info of a CMS surely
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How s that one ?? does it look balanced to u now?

see if if u can tell me what i did? LOL
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Hey I see you found someone else to drive crazy with this site :) LMAO.

Hey I'm looking at your site in FF with a resolution of 1440x900 and there is a black box in the middle of the screen at the top next to the rainbow logo. Was that intentional?
Also because of your color choices, when I rollover the area that says "Community Sitemap", the text becomes hard to read. Also the links in this area become somewhat ambiguous. I don't think anyone would expect a button inside of a button. Nah mean?

And for some reason it's loading a lot slower now. Did you make some modifications in the background?

What if you didn't make all the sections fluid. Maybe just the two on the right?


Under the navigation that has "Gallery, Shoutbox, Team..." there is a small gap between the buttons and the rose colored area. Is this intentional? why not make the same height as buttons the left?

On one of the pages I landing on, there was grey text on a green background. Very difficult to read.

Have you considered making the logo a button back to the homepage?

Just a few things I noticed. Hope this helps.
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LOL@zaiah :D I know what you mean.... but I just like to help. even the difficult ones :D

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see if if u can tell me what i did? LOL

you did something? no, I can't frankly. and I'm not really in the mood for playing 'spot the difference'.

but I did find something interesting - when my window is maximised, your boxes load fine. when it isn't (even if it's very close to full screen size), the first box is pushed down, like in my screenshot. that might be useful in trying to fix it.

about the box rollovers - a few things you could do with them. my first suggestion would be take off the bloody satin image which is complete overkill, make it a soft pleasant gradient to fit with the rest of your colors (meaning maybe a different shade of green, hopefully not purple-to-orange) or even a pink one if your heart is set on that color, take a 2px wide stick of it and tile it from left to right in the box, thus making it significantly lighter (hmm can you tile a rollover? I'm guessing yes). Even if you don't tile it making it a simple gradient will make it lighter - then optimize and stretch it down to the bottom of the bloody box. this all if you really desparately want to have a rollover over the whole box.

you can make a simpler one by making it just a frame around the image, or a highlight bar over the title of the box.
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thanks for suggestions, they are noted even if you dont think so ;)

remember the first link on the top left menu ALWAYS takes u back to the front, and the dropdown menus at the bottom gives ya full sitemap of the forums ;)

BTW, if you rollover and u cant see the words then rolling off might just do it ;)

EDIT: The logo doesnt have a link yet coz it will become another refreshing rotating set of logos ;)

There is reason to my madness ;)
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remember the first link on the top left menu ALWAYS takes u back to the front

yeah that didn't work for some reason once, that's why I asked the question. worked afterwards though.

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BTW, if you rollover and u cant see the words then rolling off might just do it

yes it would, but that's not the point - you're tailoring your site to make things easy for your clients, the clients are not going to bend over backwards to accommodate your weird design decisions. you've got things a little bass-ackwards if you ask me :D

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thanks for suggestions, they are noted even if you dont think so

ha ha ha good to hear :D I just call 'em as I see 'em - you can use what I say or not... heck everybody's got the right to their own opinion... nobody died and made me Ultimate Design Guru.

oh and please stop putting a smiley at the end of every single sentence... the friendly sentences sound equally friendly with or without the smiley, and the snarky ones really don't seem any less snarky by having a smiley attached to them. It's like having an exclamation mark at the end of every single sentence - unnecessary. just an idea...
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LOL. Honestly I don't think he really wanted a review from this forum, cause he really hasn't taken any of the advice. I think he just wanted to get some traffic.
But I guess what she is trying to say and I said a few pages back, the site doesn't follow any of the common/current design practices. People go to sites with certain assumptions. That might be a bad idea but it's just the truth. If I turn on my faucet, I assume that water is going to flow out, not the oven to come on.
I think a lot of people here have tried to help you, but you are stuck on doing it your way. Which is fine...BUT some of the advice is very solid and these are proven techniques to draw and keep users on your site.
Well the best of luck once again!
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well i hope u are all happy, you have made me work very hard !!

go see !!
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wow he changed the rollovers. one thing I'll say - they are actually an improvement. (I won't go into how grand an improvement exactly). but take a look at this..... weird, no? don't you look at it and think 'weird'??
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I think a moderator needs to step in. Is there such a thing as Web Police? LOL.
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whine whine whine, maybe ya need some cheese with that whine!!

Ok i admit it the site is held together by duct tape ; go see ;)

Am supposed to be scripting not fiddling with minro details
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Those minro details can make all the difference :)
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Post 3+ Months Ago

ha ha ha ha the duct tape is the first thing I like :D
brill. really.

one more thing i noticed - the top nav links look a lot better before the tab images (blue marble thing on left, purple horror on right) load. when it's just a nice flat gray bar with nice readable white text. I'd take off all the tab images.

listen, on a general note - i have to admit to feeling a sort of morbid fascination with this site and this thread. and it's been loads of fun playing hide and seek with you (and I do admire the boyish charm hiding behind all the annoying smartassedness) but I think I've done what I can here... our purpose really wasn't to get you to admit you suck - we merely wanted to bring the site back to earth I suppose. but something's telling me it's got as close as it's gonna get............

so I consider my task completed :D zaiah, do you concur?
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Where have you been Celandine? LOL. You're my hero! Yeah I'm done commenting.
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Post 3+ Months Ago

people people you did it !!! you forced me to make it the best it can be ;)

1. you wanted bigger fonts. tick
2. blending rollovers. tick

of course you didnt tell me about the extraneous input boxes, unbalancing on the navigation, and u didnt tell me the color contrast.

u hated the colored menus so they are gone

My radio stays of course ;)
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Post 3+ Months Ago

well people, you have messed with me and i really have had a creative spurt

come see the site and tell me the speed, i have re update cfos so it still detecting connections

basically 3 "color" skins used on the site so they might be slow loading 40kb css each

NEVER MESS WITH THE DUDE'S RADIO ;)

PS. a check on IE would be nice as well ;)
  • alex89
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Post 3+ Months Ago

Wow - interesting site.

To be brutally honest, your site hurts my eyes. I agree with all the previous design pointers - I believe the colour scheme is odd, not fun - and it makes it hard to keep the page open.

I would change the rollover images to very similar to the original image - changing from green to slightly lighter green, for example. Because it's such a large area to change (1/3rd screen width), it's quite a shock to have it change to bright white (especially on a 30" monitor - 2650*1600 res)

The content seems good, everything seems to work - but I would prefer to use a less painful-to-look-at design. Sorry :)

If you're using firefox - you can check what the site would look like in IE using Add-on 1 or 2.

Speed seems alright - I don't understand your hosting & domain - is it http://smile4me.x24hr.com or http://impressionz.ath.cx/ ?
I think losing the radio might help the speed :)
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Post 3+ Months Ago

got to say probably a good idea as far as forums go, but, the colours leave a whole lot to be desired and i wouldnt join, i cant even look at the screen, sorry but please see this feedback although critical as constructive to you, it will help you once you forgive me for me poo pooing your site colurs..

please change the colours and banner and then im sure more peeps would join
  • seularts
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Post 3+ Months Ago

man it is very conffusing and very crowded..:) maybe you cadn just remove stuff from it to go faster:P
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Post 3+ Months Ago

you do know that you can minimise a lot of the stuff right?? the magic of JS

Thanks for pushing me along ;)

Any more advice ?? :D

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