SITE REVIEW: Lee's Inc.

  • horkam
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Hey all

I am looking for feedback on this particular site in the way of overall appeal and ease of use/navigation. Note that I do not have control over the OEM parts pages as they are controlled by another person. I would like to have them local but I do not have the resources to create all of those OEM parts lookups. I will also be moving more towards using css for the appearance, but for now it is laid out using what I know and I was under a deadline to get content and a site established.

The entire site is coded using Editplus with the exception of the java menu, which is a freely available download.

Thanks to all in advance.

http://www.leesinc.com

Edit: HAHAHAHA, I forgot the stupid URL
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The site is a little unprofessional looking, and it lacks a layout to format the content. The site just kind of sprawls across the page from one side to the other and doesn't really seem to care where it is going. Try to use tables to format the site into an easier to access layout.

Lose the buttons on the bottom about your opinions on browsers or lose people you are pissing off about it.

I would definately remove the javascript menu. It does not fit well with the site and it is annoying because it pops up when I move my mouse past it. If you absolutely HAVE to keep it, then at least put in a delay before it drops to be sure the visitor wants it to!

The color scheme is a bit un-organized. The red links don't really fit in with the blueish header.
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Thanks for the comments.

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I would definately remove the javascript menu. It does not fit well with the site and it is annoying because it pops up when I move my mouse past it. If you absolutely HAVE to keep it, then at least put in a delay before it drops to be sure the visitor wants it to!

The more I look at that menu the more I don't like it myself. For now I have made it "click to drop-down", that should make it less annoying. I am just having trouble with navigation, I want people to be able to get to any page from any other page without having to go back somewhere and without having the old/used up left hand menu.

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The color scheme is a bit un-organized. The red links don't really fit in with the blueish header.

I am working on a graphic for the header that incorporates product images and rids the site of the Free Shipping text on the left top, but it will not be ready until after Christmas. For now I have changed the color to blue to maybe be a little more pleasing to the majority. What do you guys think about the background/text combination? I have problems with light backgrounds and dark text, but I may be in the minority.

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The site just kind of sprawls across the page from one side to the other and doesn't really seem to care where it is going. Try to use tables to format the site into an easier to access layout.

I was looking for something that does not copy most every other cookie cutter business site out there...graphic on top, menu down the left, advertising down the right, footer. But maybe that's what everybody wants. Also, as I said in my first post, I am going to use CSS to cleanup the appearance. BTW, what resolution/s did you use.

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Lose the buttons on the bottom about your opinions on browsers or lose people you are pissing off about it.

Gone for clutter reasons, I don't think it will heat anyone up so much that they would navigate away from the site.

Thanks again, this is exactly what I am looking for. I have been looking at it so much its hard for me to tell what I need to do.
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Much better with the navigation! Next step would be to make it into a vertical table nav. If you don't want it on the left then put it on the right! :)

As far as the resolution, my first review was on 1280*1024. I just now visited with 600*600 and I found that your menu will slide off the left side of the page if the browser is not wide enough! That should be fixed when you transition to a different navigation system though.

...Awaiting your next update!
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Change the font from Times New Roman to Verdana (arial, helvetica, something similar). And maybe make the photo something like a frame (you could put it in a table with border ...)
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THanks for the comments.

I did a quick css change for the fonts, I think thats much better to read...Thanks. I'm not a big fan of framing pics in a border though, I will probably leave it as is.

As for any major menu changes, I will get to that Monday at the shop. No hard work this weekend for me. 8)

Thanks again all and I'll catch you later.
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- Add descriptive keyword-rich page titles relevant to the subject matter of each page.
- I would lose the gradient in the site header. A solid colour would look better IMO
- Anti-alias the logo text, it looks jagged which never looks nice.
- The menu is very annoying i.e. definitely a left-hand side menu with standard text links prettied up with CSS would be the best option.

Good luck with it ;)
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Looks like my menu is out the door.

Descriptive titles will be happening next week, I decided that after reading reviews here over the weekend.

I will be doing tons of work next week especially on the appearance, and as I told Truce, I am working on a graphic for the header instead of the gradient and the Logo will probably get worked up at the same time.

I wish I had found this forum before I started work on the site...

Thanks
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Ok, finally loaded all the new changes...Let me know what you guys think. I added more content with tons on the way, and I completely changed the navigation from java menu to css. I hope this new site is easier on the eyes, better to navigate, and more search engine friendly.
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Just checking to see if anyone cares to review the changes made to the site. Halloooo.....
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I haven;t read the previous so i don't know whats been suggested. The site looks clean. The menu works... rather large (it goes beyond the fold (scroll needed))... one adjustment i would make would be the top graphic, in my resolution (1600*1200) it repeats and its not seamless...

apart from that everything seems fine and dandy! :D
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Thanks for the info.

I am struggling with the header as my skills with graphics are not up to par. It is something I am working on, its just coming along slower than I would have liked.

Keep em' coming
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Hi again,

Wow, what an improvement! The white background is great for the site and I am envious of that menu now :) It looks great and has nice descriptive page titles.

Overall the best site improvement I have seen in this forum so far. Good work.
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just looked at your site and first thing i notice is CLUTTER. there is alot of menu info there, the text is quite small and doesnt flow with the main page text. the bottom buttons that appear on every page look to be to far up from the bottom. the address doesnt have to be there, instead it can be in the contacts page. how about splitting up the menu so you dont have to scroll past the actual browser size of your site. strikes me that the main menu which can go under the main pic or to the side (doesnt matter since the sub menu will take the other position) should be HOME, VEHICLES, PARTS, ACCESSORIES etc. they should be on each page. then the sub menu will be what ever page you are on ie if you are on the ACCESSORIES page then the sub menu will be the pages for that: accessory specials, yamaha etc and so on. not sure about the borders for the menu and the main text.

the header needs to be in line with the actual site. the whole site should look like the whole instead of its parts.

this is just my opinion and i dont want to offend, but those things struck me the most when i first saw it.

you are using .shtml formats. are you including alot of files into the tables?
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I am going to have to add on to what buzzbuzz was saying. This is just an idea, but it will hopefully point you in the right direction.

you could split up the menu into two columns, one on either side, that way the menu wouldnt be as long as it is now. the middle column for the content, you can easily make it scrollable if necessary
and maybe put a bottom cell for the secondary links and / or mailing address.
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i agree. a 3-column site (php-nuke type effect) that way more things could be implemented into the third column if there is a lot of space left from the secondary links. same could be said for the 1st column. ads of some sort either advertising different pages like a 'whats news' or 'up coming events' or 'new yamaha info' etc. this could be incorporated into the menu columns because of all the space you will save by doing it this way. dont forget to make the main content text similar if not the same as the menu text. make the menu text readable because atm it isnt really. its too small. since you have been delving into CSS then you can see that css would take care of the whole textual part of things. it could take care of the whole site really then you would only have to alter the css rather than the pages themselves.
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Thanks for the feedback all...
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first thing i notice is CLUTTER. there is alot of menu info there

I don't believe that the menu is too cluttered, nor too long. I did debate the length, but after visiting countless other sites I do not believe that the menu is neither too long or too cluttered. On the other hand I do have a problem with the main content section, I do believe that it needs to extend past the menu...And it will, once I get the other content up and running.
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the text is quite small and doesnt flow with the main page text. the bottom buttons that appear on every page look to be to far up from the bottom. the address doesnt have to be there, instead it can be in the contacts page.

Thanks for pointing that out, I changed the font to arial all the way around and increased the size to 11px...I tried 12px but I thought it looked too weird. Also I moved the bottom links below the address, which coincidentally has to be on each page because the guy that pays my salary wants it there ;)
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how about splitting up the menu...

Again, another idea that I toyed with and wrote, but I believe that I will have better luck with certain search engines if each page contains a fuller menu.
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the header needs to be in line with the actual site. the whole site should look like the whole instead of its parts.

See previous post about the header..Still working. If someone has some free time and would like to e-mail me a nice motorcycle theme header that is around 125px tall and flows with the site I would be much abliged ;)
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you are using .shtml formats. are you including alot of files into the tables

I am using includes for the header, menu and footer content for each page so that I do not have to clutter the code with all that HTML as I write it. I started out using it a few years ago when I dabbled some in HTML and it stuck with me.
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you could split up the menu into two columns, one on either side, that way the menu wouldnt be as long as it is now

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i agree. a 3-column site (php-nuke type effect) that way more things could be implemented into the third column if there is a lot of space left from the secondary links

I am going to add a news feed from cyclenews pretty soon, which will give the index page a three column layout. If I like it I may keep the third column for site ads and other news and incorporate that into the other pages, I will just have to see how it looks and flows.

Thanks again for all the feedback...I'll post changes later.
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See what you all think about this for a layout. None of the links work right now, I am just looking for response good, bad or ugly...

http://www.leesinc.com/

EDIT: IE messes with the layout spacing on the right pane some, but Firefox is perfect. I believe the css to be correct, but if someone looks at it and sees the problem let me know please.

EDIT: URL change
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that layout is a lot better than what you have currently. its more in line, both left and right margins are in line. i think on IE it looks pretty good. i have looked at it on IE and on firefox and they look the same. did u use CSS for the positioning as well? looks good. still a load of links but if it has to be that way then fine. what about the bottom links. they are still quite high. can u lower them? what about putting the address on 2 lines instead of 4?
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I finally got the lines straight in both IE and Firefox just a few minutes after I posted, it was a css issue that I worked out. I should be able to change the bottom padding on the main body and get the links closer to the border, and I'll play around with the address to see how I like it.

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