SITE REVIEW: Nucleo's -Domain (V4 now)

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Post April 2nd, 2004, 1:49 pm

Hi all
here i go again, and yes, another darn design. hehe :D

well, this time i think i can successfully say i have hit the nail on the head.
my past designs have had no meaning, just something to make.
well now i have a goal for my site, to host my porfolio of work and sell templates :lol:

i posted my first ever site on here for review
( http://www.mohaa.fubar.no-frills.net blimy, its still online!!! :shock: )

well, i have progressed in the area of graphics and html, so here is my latest site
http://www.inucleo.co.uk
the forum and portfolio work (sales dept. still under construction)
i would just like to see what you fine people think of my site.

(may sound pretty petty) but i had to config the soutbox to fit the site...making that work gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside :lol:
i know,... i am pretty new at making a good site for a change lol

*\ please note, the site is not completely finished, i still need to do 2 more pages (add your link and Graphics)
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Post April 2nd, 2004, 1:49 pm

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Post April 2nd, 2004, 3:35 pm

Eeeep! So pretty! Graphics-intensive, but THANK YOU for the warning!

Please watch your spelling, looks a bit unprofessional. (Weather = whether.)

You might also want to put your prices in American dollars. Just a thought.

ACK! Where, oh where is your DOCTYPE declaration hiding?
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http% ... Fnews.html

Please use stylesheets, not font tags and body bgcolor tags. PLEASE. It works much better that way. So much more efficient.

If you need help with anything I mentioned above, I will be more than glad to do so :)

Nice job!
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 2:52 am

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ACK! Where, oh where is your DOCTYPE declaration hiding?
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http% ... Fnews.html


i am reasonably new at html, and i used dreamweaver for just about everything...
so what do ya mean?

(thanks for the thorough examination!)
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 9:01 am

Nucleo wrote:
…i am reasonably new at html, and i used dreamweaver for just about everything...


Well Nucleo, I have only good things to say to you
The graphic portion is very nice (original)
The color mix is beautiful.
The visibility of the letters are great.
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Watch out Nucleo!

Template and Exclusive Rites < rights
Concerntrating < Concentrating
purpost < purpose

Just check your spelling, some people might doubt your capacity on that only.
So my final word based on how new you are to this will be 9.5/10 ;)
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 9:11 am

LOL, i skimmed thought and clicked on the first link, the one with a picture of medal of honour that looks like its been streched to big lol.

The second link is class though. i love the first page, (i remember when you did that as a desk top wallpaper!)

I love the color schemes, and the clean layout of the site.

I like the forum however it does not look like the rest of your site. But then i spose that no big deal.

Great site will come back to see the updated content! :D
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 10:14 am

A DOCTYPE declaration tells the browser what kind of programming language you used to write the document so it can present it in the manner according to standards. So, right at the very top, before the head tag, add this:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
  1. <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
  2.   "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">


Just copy and paste, as is. I'm surprised Dreamweaver didn't put it there. Sometimes the older versions do that. Please add the DOCTYPE and then run it through the validator to make sure your HTML is correct. http://validator.w3.org You can upload the file, enter a URL or paste it into a textarea.

It'll tell you if you have errors, and if you're confused about how to fix them, PM me or reply to this thread.

Also: do you know how to use CSS?
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 10:55 am

conorific wrote:
A DOCTYPE declaration tells the browser what kind of programming language you used to write the document so it can present it in the manner according to standards…

Personally I tried to validate my page and I don’t pass the 4.01…LOL
But the thing is that even if I don’t have the DOCTYPE my pages shows up perfectly on all browsers (all), maybe it’s because I use .css, who knows?

So my question conorific, is it an obligation to put that DOCTYPE even if I have no problem and i don't qualify for the 4.01?
Thx in advance
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 11:01 am

If you want to sell your services, you need to conform to standards! It doesn't matter whether it looks okay without it or not, you need to have it because it's standard. And if your page doesn't validate, it can cause problems!

If you need help understanding the validation, I'll help you. But not really caring about the standards makes you a bad designer because you'll have sloppy code that is NOT universal. Standards are there for a reason!
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 11:08 am

conorific wrote:
…you need to conform to standards! It doesn't matter whether it looks okay without it or not, you need to have it because it's standard. And if your page doesn't validate, it can cause problems!


I guess your right! It did bug me that I did not have that DOCTYPE, but I didn’t know it was so important, I guess I need to go back and rebuild my sloppy coding and pass that validation ;)
Thx for the advice
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 11:13 am

Okay, I see why it doesn't validate. This should be your head section:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

<html>
<head>
<title>TITLE HERE</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
<link rel="stylesheet" href="FILENAME.CSS" type="text/css">
OTHER HEADER CRAP HERE
</head>
  1. <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
  2. "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
  3. <html>
  4. <head>
  5. <title>TITLE HERE</title>
  6. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
  7. <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
  8. <link rel="stylesheet" href="FILENAME.CSS" type="text/css">
  9. OTHER HEADER CRAP HERE
  10. </head>


Sorry. Add that to your files and then validate it.

I'll be more than willing to help you with this and with CSS, too.
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Post April 3rd, 2004, 1:45 pm

Pretty colors, what an amazing site, the graphics are great as well.
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Post April 4th, 2004, 8:40 am

conorific wrote:
If you want to sell your services, you need to conform to standards! It doesn't matter whether it looks okay without it or not, you need to have it because it's standard. And if your page doesn't validate, it can cause problems!


I have a few issues with that statement. According to the traffic stats I get from my sites, at least 95% of my visitors are using IE. Why would I validate any site according to an arbitrary and stringent standard when it displays well in the browser that is most used worlwide? I design for IE and Netscape only; beyond that, I don't worry.

Have you had a good look at http://validator.w3.org ? Butt ugly! Even my income tax form looks friendlier! And we're supposed to follow their example? Even their own Web site doesn't validate for XHTML 4; and their last update is from 2001. I'm not about to bring my designs 20 years back because of a geeky standard!

Most web sites do NOT validate, not even yours conorific: as of this post you're missing an ALT tag - ooooh big DEAL! Your site looks good to me even with this damn ALT tag omission :?

I've sold quite a few sites that did not validate, not one client ever had negative feedback about display problems.

Dreamweaver certainly doesn't worry about doctypes! Google doesn't! Yahoo doesn't! Disney.go.com (one of the most visited sites ever) doesn't! If you think http://www.ozzu.com/ does care about doctypes, try again! And guess what? Microsoft.com doesn't worry about doctypes either!!! Those Web giants didn't feel it was necessary to bother.

What does that tell ya? Drop the myth! "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" Nucleo's site looks awesome, period!
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Post April 9th, 2004, 1:52 am

still kinda confused..
but i will sort all of that out...
i am back off my trip and i am glad and pleased about all of your comments.

my host have just said that they are migrating all accounts to a new server, so i have just got to wait :(
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Post April 9th, 2004, 6:06 am

Nucleo, I can't see your page! It just says action cancelled? I don't know if you have taken it offline for a bit or what. I'll post a proper review when I can have a look, and I wanna see some more of your graphics! :D

For now, I'll just say that I agree with most of whats been said so far. It really is amazing how much emphasis people put on spelling when they read through something. The worst thing is, its so much harder to see your own mistakes than it is to see others! :) I can always see when some else has but not my own.

Also, it is worth the time to look at the standards and learn to hand code, simply because you have so much more control over the finished product.

As I said - a better review when I can see the site

Now thats done, lets try some stuff:

*opens dreamweaver, clicks new html document, gets:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
</body>
</html>
  1. <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
  2. "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
  3. <html>
  4. <head>
  5. <title>Untitled Document</title>
  6. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
  7. </head>
  8. <body>
  9. </body>
  10. </html>

dreamweaver does include a docytpe. :shock:

*clicks 'view source' on the current ozzu page:
Code: [ Select ]
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html dir="ltr">
  1. <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
  2. <html dir="ltr">

Ozzu has a doctype :shock:

*validates the w3c validation page:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator.w3.org%2F
w3c does validate for xhtml 1.0 :shock:

My point? If you want to flame someone, please get your facts right first, don't make up "facts" to make yourself look right. Plus comments like "ooooh big DEAL!" make you look about 5!!

The w3c standards have nothing to do with aesthetic, just because their site is unattractive does not mean that they are not right about standards.

Anyhoo, sorry bout that everyone, I'm calm again now :)
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Post April 9th, 2004, 8:13 am

my site is now back online
my host had something called DOCC (or DOC ?) attacks, and they had to move everything to a new server..

well i am back now.

i will sort out all that you have said, wont take too long.

and sorry about the spelling.
i had a site before that one, so this which you see now was originally a rushed demo which i put in place.
i will fix everything.

I know why the decleration was missing, i had a meta tag generator online, i copied and pasted the code, overwriting the whole top part lol
and thanks for the gr8 reviews and in depth explanations

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